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THURSDAY: Cafardo has an update - Johnson offered to take a 50% pay cut, but the two sides still could not reach an agreement. Based on a statement from his agency, he seems ready to move on. The D'Backs apparently made a lame offer in the $2-3MM range, while Johnson would've taken $8MM.
WEDNESDAY: The Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo says there's a big meeting in Arizona tonight, and the D'Backs may determine whether they can re-sign Randy Johnson. A week ago, Jack Magruder of the East Valley Tribune said the D'Backs have about $3-5MM budgeted for Johnson but he may seek about $10MM.
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Johnson is solid for 5-6 innings. You just cant pitch him over that. Thats what Torre did while he was in NY.
Posted by: yankfan1 | November 12, 2008 at 06:03 PM
Reds Get-
Eric Byrnes
Miguel Montero
D Backs Get-
Alex Gonzalez
Matt Maloney
Craig Tatum
The D Backs save just about 6 million and also get Gonzalez who they can put at 2B which should be easier for him to play coming back from injury. Byrnes is also coming back from injury and there is concern if he can do what he did in 07. The D Backs send the Reds Montero for basicly Tatum and Maloney but both are very solid prospects and Maloney can help out the pen or be the long relief guy or even end up the D Backs rotation. Tatum can replace Montero in the D Backs system as a quality catching prospect and we all know what those are worth these days.
Little risk for both but also the trade makes sense for both.
Tim what ya think? Others?
Posted by: BigBurch89 | November 12, 2008 at 06:19 PM
yankfan -
I think that is a bit unfair. Johnson was a horse with Arizona the first time around and was coming off a 245 inning season when the Yankees acquired him. There was no reason for Torre to believe he would suddenly regress into a five-inning pitcher. (Regardless, in 2005, Johnson's problems typically came in the middle of a game - he pitched strong early and strong late - but, for whatever the reason, had issues in the 4th inning and between pitches 26-50).
Posted by: yclept | November 12, 2008 at 07:02 PM
10M for Johnson at what... 43? I'd have to say that's an instant pass for this Diamondbacks team. Not saying he isn't worth it with the market or that he wont get it, but I can't see them shelling that out for him at 43. Maybe they can meet in the middle at 7M?
Posted by: Bdlugz | November 12, 2008 at 07:11 PM
Dbacks get:
Ryan Raburn
Mike Hessman
Tigers get:
Miguel Montero
Yusmeiro Petit
Why would this trade work?
*The dBacks get a power bat in Hessman. He's a good source of power off the bench. To add, a much better option than Tony Clark. As for Raburn, here's a guy who can get a full time gig at second and show off his 20-20 skills.
*The Tigers get an MLB ready catcher and a healthy SP who deserves a starting job. If he gains experience by pitching a full season in the major leagues, not only will he improve but he will also reach his upside. Yusmeiro's stats improve each year. I think he just needs more confidence in himself and in Arizona, he has to pitch every start like his job is on the line. That doesn't help anyone's confidence. If a guy messes up in two starts after pitching amazingly well against some teams with a potent offence - I speak particularly of his performance vs the Marlins and the Astros, you have to blame it on the nine off the dBacks gave Petit. It obviously messed up his mechanics.
Posted by: First ever East Indian GM | November 12, 2008 at 07:17 PM
Dbacks get:
Ryan Raburn
Mike Hessman
Tigers get:
Miguel Montero
Yusmeiro Petit
Why would this trade work?
*The dBacks get a power bat in Hessman. He's a good source of power off the bench. To add, a much better option than Tony Clark. As for Raburn, here's a guy who can get a full time gig at second and show off his 20-20 skills.
*The Tigers get an MLB ready catcher and a healthy SP who deserves a starting job. If he gains experience by pitching a full season in the major leagues, not only will he improve but he will also reach his upside. Yusmeiro's stats improve each year. I think he just needs more confidence in himself and in Arizona, he has to pitch every start like his job is on the line. That doesn't help anyone's confidence. If a guy messes up in two starts after pitching amazingly well against some teams with a potent offence - I speak particularly of his performance vs the Marlins and the Astros, you have to blame it on the nine off the dBacks gave Petit. It obviously messed up his mechanics.
Posted by: First ever East Indian GM | November 12, 2008 at 07:28 PM
I live in AZ. They love their Diamondbacks, when it's not too hot and they are on a 11 of 14 run. What's better than being a fan of baseball? Being a pretender who buys a bunch of team gear. Signing RJ for $8mil to $10mil is easy ... Moichandizin'
RJ's 300th the jersey, RJ's 300th the coloring book, RJ's 300th the thermos, RJ's 300th the flame-thrower!
He's someone they can rally around in Phoenix ... at least until the D-Backs pull a Metropolitan-like collapse in August / September. Yeah, money will be made by selling tickets but, there are a hole bunch of clowns willing to shell out $24.95 to $79.95 for memoribilia of an inconsequential win in a fair-weather friend state.
The Dback Management should be smart enough to do that math.
Posted by: rossdfarian | November 12, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Are we living in upside down world when Randy Wolf looks at 12M a year and Randy Johnson is looking at 3-5?
Yeah, he's 43. But given average health he could still be mid-rotation quality and he only wants a year.
Posted by: BraunHolio | November 12, 2008 at 09:15 PM
A 1.23 WHIP, 3.91 ERA. Averaged a little less than a K/inning. Low walk rate. What's not to like? He may not be worth taking a risk on a multi-year deal, but he should easily be in the double digit million dollar range. That's a huge hometown discount if he signs for the rumored amount.
Posted by: Teetz | November 13, 2008 at 08:02 AM
Dbacks get:
Ryan Raburn
Mike Hessman
Tigers get:
Miguel Montero
Yusmeiro Petit
Why would this trade work?
I have never heard of either of those playes, but after looking up their career stats. I can safely say their is a reason why both of the tiger players were absent from the major league for three years. The Tigers would have to take an $11 million dollars off the D-Backs hands *cough Eric Byrnes cough* to make that even half worth while.
Posted by: Serg Rush | November 13, 2008 at 02:28 PM
Reds Get-
Eric Byrnes
Miguel Montero
D Backs Get-
Alex Gonzalez
Matt Maloney
Craig Tatum
The D Backs save just about 6 million and also get Gonzalez who they can put at 2B which should be easier for him to play coming back from injury. Byrnes is also coming back from injury and there is concern if he can do what he did in 07. The D Backs send the Reds Montero for basicly Tatum and Maloney but both are very solid prospects and Maloney can help out the pen or be the long relief guy or even end up the D Backs rotation. Tatum can replace Montero in the D Backs system as a quality catching prospect and we all know what those are worth these days.
Little risk for both but also the trade makes sense for both.
Tim what ya think? Others?
I cant see the Reds accepting this offer as it VERY VERY FAR from low risk for them. Eric Byrnes gets 11 million a year and is coming of a year were he damagedhis hamstrings early in the year and then upon returning, proceed to tear both of his hamstrings. The D-Backs would have to trade at least one top prospect to make it worth while for the Reds. Oh wait, they can't. They have none.
Posted by: Serg Rush | November 13, 2008 at 02:32 PM
He offered to play at a 50% cut in pay and they said no? So they don't think he's a $5M pitcher??? Really??? Bad decision by the DBacks, IMO, if that turns out to be true.
Posted by: Papelboner | November 13, 2008 at 02:36 PM
unrelated news: Yankees just traded a minor league pitcher for Nick Swisher!
Posted by: wiscobrew | November 13, 2008 at 02:38 PM
completely unrelated but espn is reporting that the yankees acquired nick swisher for jeff marquez
Posted by: jpg1200 | November 13, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Wow, that is a lowball to be sure. I want the Rockies to look into this. One year isn't too bad, he can pitch at Coors if he could pitch Chase, the milestone of 300 wins would definitely bring some attention, and he would have a chance to shove it in Arizona's face. Plus, he could still be a decent pitcher.
Posted by: mkorpal | November 13, 2008 at 03:31 PM
He offered to play at a 50% cut in pay and they said no? So they don't think he's a $5M pitcher??? Really??? Bad decision by the DBacks, IMO, if that turns out to be true.
Posted by: Papelboner | November 13, 2008 at 02:36 PM
The D'Backs apparently made a lame offer in the $2-3MM range, while Johnson would've taken $8MM.
No. They don't think he is an 8 million dollar pitcher. The D-Backs only have 10-15 million to spend and they have too many needs this off season to be able to resign Johnson.
Their main focus is a 2nd baseman. Then they need to get some reliable pitchers in the bullpen as their bullpen lost 28 games for them this year. Had they been more reliable your looking at a 90-100 win team in the D-Backs. Then they need a 1st baseman as Chad Tracy is completely and totally 100% useless.
Posted by: Serg Rush | November 13, 2008 at 05:08 PM
dang, if the twins trade away one of their young pitchers, i would be happy to have randy johnson for 8 million.
Posted by: kentonpieper | November 13, 2008 at 10:07 PM
As a Tiger fan, I love east indian's trade proposal. Hard not to. Also, I'd like to see Detroit go after Johnson on a one-year deal. I'm not sure he would take it, but I think he would work better than Robertson in the rotation.
Posted by: Calriver | November 14, 2008 at 01:34 AM
As a Tiger fan, I love east indian's trade proposal. Hard not to. Also, I'd like to see Detroit go after Johnson on a one-year deal. I'm not sure he would take it, but I think he would work better than Robertson in the rotation.
Posted by: Calriver | November 14, 2008 at 01:34 AM
Yeah, but from the D-Backs perspective it is a terrible deal. There is a reason why both were demoted for three years.
Posted by: Serg Rush | November 14, 2008 at 08:37 PM