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Francisco Rodriguez's agent, Paul Kinzer, appeared on WFAN this morning. Justin Terranova of the New York Post relays his comments.
Kinzer says there are "three to four" teams in the running for K-Rod besides the Mets. He doesn't know the exact number? Obviously, Kinzer considers the Mets a good fit for his client (especially given that no other big-market team is looking for a closer). Rodriguez will require four years and perhaps $15MM annually. My guess: K-Rod tops Joe Nathan's record $47MM for a reliever, but the deal is closer to $50MM than $60MM.
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4/50 is my guess. Angels or Mets.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 11, 2008 at 12:07 PM
whats going to happen to billy wagner?
Posted by: 04Forever | November 11, 2008 at 12:10 PM
i want a new agent who knows what the hell he wants for me get me what im worth or else.
Posted by: americans1901 | November 11, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Hasn't Joe Nathan already topped Cordero's contract? Didn't Nathan sign an extension for 47 million?
Posted by: Twins777 | November 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM
04, I believe Billy Wagner will be out for the year with an elbow injury and his contract expires after '09.
Posted by: Scottsdale01 | November 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM
oh yeah thats right i forgot
Posted by: 04Forever | November 11, 2008 at 12:16 PM
"Obviously, Kinzer considers the Mets a good fit for his client (especially given that no other big-market team is looking for a closer)."
Well, the Angels are a big market team that is looking for a closer ;-)
Posted by: AA | November 11, 2008 at 12:34 PM
wow. how good a deal is Brad Lidge's right now! Wasn't he 3 years and 39 million and he was PERFECT.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 11, 2008 at 12:35 PM
His contract doesn't expire after '09, the team holds an $8 million option for 2010 with a $1 million buyout...I wouldn't be surprised to see them sign/trade him next year. Because Wagner for 7M a year is DIRT CHEAP.
Posted by: GaryKeith&Ron | November 11, 2008 at 12:40 PM
I wouldn't really call any contract for a premeir closer a good deal as theyre still being paid starter money to pitch 1 inning in 50 or so games a year. Just my opinion.
Posted by: Scottsdale01 | November 11, 2008 at 12:47 PM
I believe K-Rod will end up signing with the NY Mets for 5yrs./ $70 mil.
I'm an angels fan and would rather not sign him back and focus on Tex and possibly CC. Maybe go after Fuentes or Cordero for the closer position.
Posted by: dpncharge | November 11, 2008 at 01:12 PM
"His contract doesn't expire after '09, the team holds an $8 million option for 2010 with a $1 million buyout...I wouldn't be surprised to see them sign/trade him next year. Because Wagner for 7M a year is DIRT CHEAP."
It's not that dirt cheap if he never pitches again. Being out for a year and a half is never good esp if you're 38 going on 39 when you come back.
Posted by: richphillies | November 11, 2008 at 01:39 PM
"I wouldn't really call any contract for a premeir closer a good deal as theyre still being paid starter money to pitch 1 inning in 50 or so games a year. Just my opinion."
I agree with this opinion, although adding the small addendum that its not that big of a deal if the team doesn't adhere to a strict budget. Like for as undeniably awesome as Lidge was in 2008, he'll get 10-13% of the Philadelphia payroll to pitch 5% of their innings. Leverage or not, that's weird finance.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | November 11, 2008 at 01:41 PM
... for the Yankees with Rivera, knowing they can just pile another $10MM on if they need to fill a hole, its not as big of a deal.
(Love when I forget to finish thoughts here)
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | November 11, 2008 at 01:44 PM
dpncharge, why would the Mets pay him that money when apparently besides the Angels (who don't seem that interested), the Mets are the ONLY suitor for K-Rod. According to some Angel fans, they have a 4/50ish deal on the table. Why would the Mets add another year and another 20 million to that? How about Trevor Hoffman, he is a free agent. Go sign him for a 1/6 deal, and start developing some internal options for 2009/2010.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 11, 2008 at 02:29 PM
I thought K-Rod turned down 4/50 with the Angels earlier this season.
If not, how much was that offer that he turned down with the Angels for?
Posted by: melonis rex | November 11, 2008 at 02:54 PM
nice to see WFAN still pimping themselves for agents.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 11, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Melonis, I think you're right. I think they still have a similar offer on the table. That is partly my point thought. If the Angels won't go higher then that, who else will? No reason for the Mets to offer 5/70 if the Angels are only offering 4/50 and there is nobody else that will top 4/50. There is plenty of middle ground. Although I honestly don't even want K-rod for 4/50 either.
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 11, 2008 at 03:32 PM
That little man's delivery is so violent, his arm is going to land in the stands one day! I wouldn't go more than a couple years with his offer, his velocity is already down.
Posted by: Big Mac | November 11, 2008 at 03:36 PM
"That little man's delivery is so violent, his arm is going to land in the stands one day! I wouldn't go more than a couple years with his offer, his velocity is already down."
I feel like banging my head against the wall on this point. K-Rod's arm mechanics are excellent. The violence of his deliver is a perception, not a reality. As for his velocity, he did that purposely. He wanted to pitch more to contact and throw more strikes with his fastball, which was always a show me pitch before.
Posted by: AA | November 11, 2008 at 04:11 PM
I believe the Mets after all the shows of no interest will sign K-Rod for 4/52. If the Mets would be able to acquire Jenks and another reliever (either cordero,putz,bj ryan, cruz etc.) that will lead to like an automatic 7th,8th,9th about 42 out of 50 tries. If the Mets true intent is pitching (resign perez/burnett and have neise as 5th starter) then they should acquire at least jenks and krod. Another reliever and you could say hello to at least the NLCS.
Posted by: puremetsfan | November 11, 2008 at 04:22 PM
AA, THANK YOU! Finally, someone with decent insight on Mr. Rodriguez's arm. I love his delivery. There's a reason he's been dominant for six-plus years in the American League. I agree with puremetsfan that we'll acquire him for 4/52 or so, but I think its pretty obvious we're interested. I'd like to trade for J.J. Putz to pitch as the set-up man, sign Jeremy Affeldt (or someone similar) to pitch the seventh and then sign Joe Biemel to be the lefty specialist. Joe Smith, Bobby Parnell and Brian Stokes finish out the 'pen. Trade Aaron Heilman, Scott Schoeneweis, Pedro Feliciano and Duaner Sanchez for whatever you can get.
Here are a couple Putz scenarios:
Mets get: RHP J.J. Putz
Mariners get: LHP Jon Niese, RHP Duaner Sanchez, OF Nick Evans
Mets get: RHP J.J. Putz
Mariners get: OF Ryan Church, RHP Eddie Kunz, RHP Duaner Sanchez, 1B/OF Shawn Bowman
Posted by: metsobsessed | November 11, 2008 at 04:28 PM
Will Carroll, from about a month ago ...
"Three miles per hour. When a pitcher, especially a power pitcher who features fastball-slider mix, loses something like three miles an hour, everyone starts thinking shoulder problems. That's likely the case for Francisco Rodriguez, a guy whose mechanics are, shall we say, questionable."
"Fatigue and usage patterns are also of interest here. Rodriguez has never been used heavily, which surely goes to explain how he's survived such violent mechanics ..."
"Overall, Rodriguez still has a lot of energy in his motion, but the upshot is that the injury to his ankle may have been a blessing in disguise. By attempting to protect the ankle, Rodriguez was able to find a more efficient motion while maintaining his effectiveness. The worry with changing anyone's mechanics is that there may be a loss of effectiveness, or worse, a chain of unintended consequences as muscles, tendons, and ligaments are taxed in new ways due to the new motion. Rodriguez's slingshot, cross-body motion is still far from ideal, but his timing and energy dissipation make him much less risky now."
That doesn't say "excellent" to me.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | November 11, 2008 at 04:40 PM
I think Jenks is pretty much what the mets are missing in the 8th. The mets dont have enough farm to get putz and jenks(for metsobssesed). id take on bj ryan from toronto and his salary but then the mets gotta get rid of castillo and shows contracts. If the mets do go out there and acquire two elite relievers via trade, im seeing a farm with no animals left in it.
Posted by: puremetsfan | November 11, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Also, just purely out of curiousity, what team could offer the mets the most from the mets trading f-mart,eddie kunz,parnell,evans,murphy. LOL
Posted by: puremetsfan | November 11, 2008 at 04:55 PM
If you wanted Jenks and Putz, you're nuts. You're also nuts if you think Jenks is pitching the 8th. Certifiably insane, in fact. I want the 'pen to look like this:
CL K-Rod
SU Putz
7th Affeldt
RS Smith
LS Biemel
LM/Mop-Up Parnell
7th*/Mop-Up Stokes
*Stokes pitches the 7th on the rare occasion a Mets pitcher goes six and Affeldt needs rest.
Posted by: metsobsessed | November 11, 2008 at 04:59 PM
the mets getting biemel,krod,affeldt and putz is whats truly insane. lets not start dreaming up ideas cuz its a waste of time to discuss. the mets gettin krod for sure though.
Posted by: puremetsfan | November 11, 2008 at 05:18 PM
Jenks has as much say as Putz does about pitching the 8th inning.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | November 11, 2008 at 07:05 PM
"That doesn't say "excellent" to me."
He compares well with Pedro Martinez and John Smoltz, who pitched well for years without injury.
Posted by: AA | November 11, 2008 at 08:04 PM
This is very funny. The mess, ha! You clowns adding Krod to clean up your bullpen is like
painting an old out-house and calling it buckingham palace.
It looks alright but still smells bad. You think Krod is the cure all? Wow that laughing stock you call a front office is worse than
I thought. So have fun mess fans, Krod should render you all broke and still chasing a playoff bid in no time.
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | November 12, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Loser much tomahawk?
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 12, 2008 at 02:44 PM