Mets Rumors: Wolf, Fuentes, K-Rod, Street, Pedro

I know the Rays want Street

Go pay K-Rod a insane amount and leave Street for us plz!

I think the Mets should be looking at the trade market closely this Offseason....some good players out there that you can target for hopefully reasonable costs in Vazquez, Street, Putz, ect.

That's an area the Mets should be looking to take advantage of, especially in the bullpen when they are still paying Wagner 10.5 million to not play.

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CitizenSnips, you really think Minaya is going to publicly trash Castillo when he has the unenviable task of trying to trade him while getting something for him? Of course he's going to say that he sees a rebound, it doesn't mean that's the way he actually feels though.

mattkemp27, if you searched up Houstons career numbers then you'd see he just had an off year. And that's good for you because even though billy beane is billy beans he'll probably have to sell street at a discount.

"Of coarse a Street trade isnt feasible. Hes not latino..."

Seriously. I mean normally a person might make an argument against Street because of his ERA and Beane's ability to swindle people but obviously the latino thing completely trumps it. You'd be an idiot to think otherwise.

"I know the Rays want Street"

Rays might be the best fit for Street b/c of Reid Brignac, which would give the A's depth at SS and allow Cardenas to move to 3B, where the A's have nothing.

And, the Rays can hang on to Jason Bartlett until Beckham is ready.

"Rays might be the best fit for Street b/c of Reid Brignac, which would give the A's depth at SS and allow Cardenas to move to 3B, where the A's have nothing.

And, the Rays can hang on to Jason Bartlett until Beckham is ready."

Agreed, its not like Bartlett is chump change. Im not sure of Street's contact/arb situation but youd have to think hed fit into the budget.

"Aaron Heilman won't be moving to the rotation."

Give me an intelligent reason not to move him into the rotation. He was injured this year, and his BABIP was really high (there is reason to believe he will imitate his earlier numbers next year), and this year was pretty much an anomaly.

"Big, bad NY" is not an intelligent reason, btw. I'm talking baseball strategy not to maximize the value of a player and fill a role internally, or at least let him compete for the role, so you can spend on the superstars.

I've been saying it, if Mets cant get K-ROD or Fuentes then go for Street or maybe Putz .. Don't go near Pedro Martinez please he was a big waste except for maybe his 1st season in NY . I'd go for Javier Vasquez maybe trade Castillo? eat up some of his contract and go sign Orlando Hudson for 2B. Let Murphy and Evanz patrol LF.Don't get Ibanez or Manny.Unless we can get Manny at a reasonable price haha i make my self laugh.

"Am I the only person that thinks 15mm for a reliever is ridiculous? Closers are so sadly overrated."

I agree wholly.

1. The offense relies on 4 players. Yeah, that is a problem. When one or more of the four slumps (and slumps will happen in a season, they just do) and/or gets hurt, the offense is in trouble. One more bopper and some decent role players will work. Murphy at 2nd works too."

Exactly what I've been saying all along. Wright, Reyes, Beltran and Delgado are the offense. That simply can't work. You need to be working the pitcher batters 1-8 and threaten on every pitch. With the Mets, they have four big time hitters, and then the pitcher basically gets an inning of rest at least. Adding more depth to the lineup would be freaking wonders for their production.

Oh, and Ed Wade and Randy Wolf have both said that Wolf will be back in a Houston Uni next year...apprarently Wade has a man crush on Wolf. I don't mind seeing him back not bad numbers at the juice box

1-2 games isnt worth 15mm. That money can be spent better to gain you 5-7 games.

I'm not saying that closer's aren't overvalued, but it is important to have a shut down guy in your bullpen.

If Lidge blows 3-4 saves this year, which would still have meant he had an excellent season, the Mets are tied or a game ahead. I know it's not the only factor, but you have to admit the Phillies and Mets seasons offer a stark contrast that could serve as a great argument for the value of a good closer. The Phillies bullpen was far superior to the Mets overall, but if the Mets were able to hold onto half the 9th inning leads they blew they would have been a couple of games up on the Phillies.

Street is excellent, although he isn't at his peak value, I don't think anyone will get a discount on him either.

Melonis is absolutely correct about the mets offense. It's why you hear those annoying "as goes Jose Reyes, so go the Mets" arguments. The fact is that if any one or two of the Mets 4 bats aren't performing the team goes into a tailspin. You can't have six to seven outs in a line-up, it just won't work. Especially at the end of games when teams just tend to pitch around the two guys that are hot.

I hear that Minaya is trying to get Chad Ocho Cinco from the Bengals and will make a play for Putz if he changes his name to Putez...the latino angle is a silly argument, stop with it already.

BaseballFanatic40...I think you miss the point...everyone that posts on these message boards are actually way smarter than baseball GM's (that actually may be true) and you aren't being ridiculed because they think the moves you're talking about won't happen, it's just that in their opinion they shouldn't happen...which let's be honest...is way more important...

Which brings me to something I forgot to mention in my last post...Melonis, I'm not a baseball scout or a Sabermetrician, I would never claim to be. I enjoy coming on here and arguing about possible moves, because it beats watching the clock at work...so I'm not going to throw out a bunch of statistical arguments to contradict you're idea that Heilman should start. I will say this, Heilman did start early in his career and saw little to no success, my feeling is that he was moved to bullpen because they felt he had greater value there. I am assuming that the Mets understand that a quality starting pitcher is worth more than a quality reliever, if the pitching coach, manager, GM, etc. thought Heilman could be a succesfull starter, my guess is they would have let him start. It's also unfair for you to simply excuse the last year and say...he was injured last year, so it doesn't count. It really does, he was horrendous and going into the season with a guy you couldn't trust a 5 run lead to last year as your number 5 starter this year just doesn't seem smart, does it? I'm not saying that it isn't possible that he would be serviceable, but it's the type of move that Minaya can't make after 2 straight collapses. He needs to go into the season with more answers then questions, Heilman as a starter would just be another question, hell...Heilman as a reliever is a huge question.

ChicoWalker-

I respect your opinion. There's definitely intangibles, and I fully recognize and respect those. And, there always is a chance that Heilman doesn't cut it, and is released/banished to mop-up duty.

I just like throwing out stats, and enjoy doing such.I wouldn't consider myself a sabermetrician, I just like the numerical approach, and find leisure in that. Whatever floats your boat.

Not to sound confrontational. :-)

Melonis...as always, your opinion is both welcome and respected...if it makes you feel better Heilman's BB/9 innings increased in from 05-07 and his K/9 decreased...it's not great but it's better than I just hate that guy...

Mel-Rex is correct about the 4 player offense. I think that Church is a solid bat which would make it 5 sticks. Regardless, the Mets need to find a right-handed impact bat to protect against Wright's slumps. And we all know that they need relief pitching.

The Pads should also trade Peavy for Shoeneweis, and the Mets should go nuts on the free agent market. Check this!

SP:
Johan
CC
Peavy
Pelfrey
Main

Lineup
1B Texeira
2B Hudson
SS Reyes
3B Wright
C B Molina for B Schneider
LF Manny
CF Beltran
RF Church

Bullpen
K-Rod
Street
Fuentes
M Rivera
*Billy Wagner has a miraculous recovery.

It can happen, right?

Sorry guys I'm soooo bored at work!

In all seriousness, what does anyone think of Castillo straight up for Andruw Jones. Take the one year hit for his money left, who knows what you will get, if he produces, good. If not, cleared next season and the Dodgers get Castillo to potentially replace Kent for a patch...? Then sign Hudson, and K-Rod. Sounds like a start to me.