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Odds and Ends: Burrell, Atkins, Ohmura

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I read Gleeman's post and I tend to agree. It all depends on what the Twins have to give up. If it's a young arm like Slowey or Blackburn we'd be better suited keeping them or using them to acquire a SS like a Hardy or an Escobar. If it's a swap of two expensive right handed hitters (Cuddyer for Atkins) then I'm down.

Vance Wilson was good with the Mets, I find it hard to believe there is not one free agent worse than him.

"Joe Posnanski continues to find the Royals' Mike Jacobs acquisition baffling. Jacobs seems to be aiming for a .320 OBP."

As do I. Glad to see him OBP goal is to be just below average, rather than so bad you belong in AAA. God damn, it's not like those home runs are going to help when nobody is ever on base.

"# Aaron Gleeman suggests the Twins would be better off platooning Brian Buscher and Brendan Harris at third base than acquiring Garrett Atkins."

I agree, but only if the Twins can find a better offensive option at SS/2B, assuming that Casilla holds down one of those two positions. Outside of Morneau, Kubel and maybe Cuddyer, there really are no power threats on that team. You can hope that Delmon Young and Joe Mauer show more power next season, but really this is a team that was so good on offense because of some luck.

If they can land Atkins at a fairly cheap price, which would surprise me a little, then it would be a good deal, they could use his bat. But they don't need it enough to take a slight hit on defense as well as the cost in terms of prospects.


Hey I mean if Jacobs bumps his obp to 320 and continues to slug over 500, he's more than passable.


Affeldt would be a nice setup guy for Brian Wilson..

Beimel would be a solid addition altough he has a high BB count.

Gagne is DONE!

Why is there so much talk of the Twins trading a starter? Do they have another youngster in the minors that's major league ready? Slowey, Liriano, Baker, Perkins and Blackburn would be one of the top rotaions in baseball next season. Why would they want to mess with that?

"Hey I mean if Jacobs bumps his obp to 320 and continues to slug over 500, he's more than passable."

Solid point..

"Why is there so much talk of the Twins trading a starter? Do they have another youngster in the minors that's major league ready? Slowey, Liriano, Baker, Perkins and Blackburn would be one of the top rotaions in baseball next season. Why would they want to mess with that?"

They have Phil Humber and Kevin Mulvey in the high minors who are practically MLB ready, and they also have guys like Tyler Robertson, Anthony Swarzak and Deolis Guerra (I know he struggled last year, but you can't deny the talent) coming up through the system as well. Pitching is plentiful in their system, and if they could use that pitching to land a big bat, it's hard to blame them.

"Why is there so much talk of the Twins trading a starter? Do they have another youngster in the minors that's major league ready? Slowey, Liriano, Baker, Perkins and Blackburn would be one of the top rotaions in baseball next season. Why would they want to mess with that?"

because swarzak mulvey and duensing are sitting in the wings respectivly.. perkins in my opinion is the only one who should be trade from the majors. but a couple should be traded from the minors too..

maybe something like perkins, duensing, and buscher for jj hardy? buscher is the left handed 3rd baseman they want plus 2 starters..

"Hey I mean if Jacobs bumps his obp to 320 and continues to slug over 500, he's more than passable."

I disagree. OBP is the more important part of the OPS equation. It is better to have a guy with a .775 OPS who has a .400 OBP than a guy with a .825 OPS with a .320 OBP.

Now, what I will say is that if a player can consistently drive their OBP with a higher BA, say they have a .325 OBP from a .285-.290 AVG, as opposed to the same OBP with a .260 AVG, they are then more valuable because they move runners along better. Also, if Jacobs has people on base ahead of him, the OBP is not as important.

Not disagreeing about the OBP > SLG part, but wouldn't Jacobs be better served with a .220 AVG and .500 SLG than a .290 AVG and .500 SLG if we know his OBP is going to be .325 regardless? Same amount of outs and while you lose on the moving runners over, you more than make up the difference in extra base hits vs. singles.

After reading through Jeff's list, I'd love to see the Dodgers sign both Ray Durham and Russell Branyan. While both Blake Dewitt and Branyan bat left handed, splitting 2nd and 3rd between a combination of Branyan, Dewitt and Durham would be ideal in my mind. Those two signings would be fairly cheap and give up money to throw at Manny, Sheets and Randy Johnson. Plus, it'd keep us away from Boras' demands with Joe Crede, and keep Casey Blake off the team.

Actually if anything, history suggests that you need a balance of both OBP and SLG. Jacobs appears capable of providing the SLG part, what is lacking are the players who can get on base in front of him. Again there's no point in Jacobs getting on base if there's no one to bring him in.

AA,

But if Jacobs increased his OBP, wouldn't his slugging go up, theoretically?

His OBP issues were deeply rooted in his very low BA. If his OBP were to rise, that would likely mean his BA increased, which would likely lead to a slugging increase if he maintained his power. If he has to sacrifice power to raise his OBP though, then he ends up being a pretty unimpressive player.

I think that's the takeaway here: Mike Jacobs is a pretty unimpressive player.

"Not disagreeing about the OBP > SLG part, but wouldn't Jacobs be better served with a .220 AVG and .500 SLG than a .290 AVG and .500 SLG if we know his OBP is going to be .325 regardless? Same amount of outs and while you lose on the moving runners over, you more than make up the difference in extra base hits vs. singles."

If his .220 AVG results in a .380 OBP because of a ton of walks, you have an argument. If he is hitting .220 and has the same OBP as when hitting .290, the latter is definitely preferable, even if every walk is replaced with a single and his XBH stay the same.

There are definitely times when sacrificing some OBP to achieve a higher SLG % is desirable.

"AA,

But if Jacobs increased his OBP, wouldn't his slugging go up, theoretically?"

Well, that depends. SLG ties in with AVG because you get a minimum of 1.000 SLG with each hit. Increasing his OBP wouldn't necessarily increase his SLG unless he had a corresponding jump in AVG and/or XBH.

"His OBP issues were deeply rooted in his very low BA. If his OBP were to rise, that would likely mean his BA increased, which would likely lead to a slugging increase if he maintained his power."

That has been the case his whole career, even in the minors (other than 2 years). The problem is that he is not so likely to increase his walks because of how often he K's. He has to cut down on that rate, increase his AVG, or both.

"I think that's the takeaway here: Mike Jacobs is a pretty unimpressive player."

Agreed, though he is only 28 and can probably improve. I think he makes sense as a 5-6 hole hitter on an AL team where he doesn't have to play defense.

"I'd love to see the Dodgers sign both Ray Durham and Russell Branyan. While both Blake Dewitt and Branyan bat left handed, splitting 2nd and 3rd between a combination of Branyan, Dewitt and Durham would be ideal in my mind."

I kind of like Durham as a bench player, but I am not sold completely on Branyan. DeWitt was better against lefties than righties anyway, so no big deal with having him in the lineup everyday. That said, I would rather the Dodgers take the combined salary they would pay Branyan and Durham, add a little and sign Orlando Hudson so the Dodgers (with a resigned Furcal) can have the best defensive infield in baseball.

Branyan is the new Jack Cust. Someday he'll get a starting job and OPS .860 and everyone will be amazed (besides stat heads).

Surely SOMEONE can find a starting job for this guy. Oh well.

I predict a Rockies fire sale...Helton, Atkins, Torrealba, Hawpe, Cook...all gone

Branyan? Durham?

Giants fan?

"I predict a Rockies fire sale...Helton, Atkins, Torrealba, Hawpe, Cook...all gone"

Not sure that wouldn't as much a fire sale as it would be just them getting better.

Outside of Hawpe and Cook, those are all guys the rockies would love to deal and get some salary relief from to better manuever their team.

"Hey I mean if Jacobs bumps his obp to 320 and continues to slug over 500, he's more than passable."

I disagree. It might make him passable in a lineup that had some other strong OBP presences in it, but not in the Royals' lineup. The trade still baffles me. Why break up an effective bullpen that could actually be one of your strengths without getting something good in return. I'd rather have Billy Butler at first base than Mike Jacobs anyway, if I were a KC fan.

Jacobs is far from a lock to hit 32 HR again. It's probably more reasonable to expect 22-25, which makes that garbage OBP even more painful.

"Why is there so much talk of the Twins trading a starter?"

I think the talk is there because quite frankly, Glen Perkins and Nick Blackburn just aren't that good. It's better to trade them while they still have the appearance of upside rather than wait until they're just proven mediocre #5 starters.

Of the two, I have more faith in Blackburn, though I'll admit that faith comes almost solely from his absolutely outstanding performance in our one-game playoff with Chicago. Blackburn's arm had been dead, and he stepped up brilliantly on the biggest stage of his life, against a great offense in their home park. I had been pretty down on Blackburn for most of the year, but he made a fan out of me that day.

Still, with guys like Duensing, Swarzak, Humber, etc. ready and able to take over the #5 spot in the rotation without much of a likely downgrade over Perk, why not package him for Hardy or Beltre?

The Twins aren't far off from being a pretty legitimate playoff contender. With a top 3 of Liriano, Baker, and Slowey, you have to like their chances in a postseason series. Go out and get a bat or two. My preferences are Beltre, Hardy, or (if he's available at all) Troy Glaus. Morneau would benefit tremendously from a bigger bat than Jason Kubel behind him. No disrespect to Kubel, I love the guy, but he's not as proven as a guy like Beltre/Glaus/Hardy, and Kubes would still be fine in the 6-hole behind one of those five.

Mauer, Morneau, [Beltre/Glaus/Hardy], Kubel would be a very nice middle of the lineup.

I agree... trading Helton and Torrealba would be a godsend for the Rockies, not a firesale.

If they could find someone to take those contracts, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Wanting Braynan or Durham doesn't make me a Giants fan. In fact, it would slide right into Colletti's M.O. of signing veteran players to fill open spots. And for 1 or 2 years.
Personally, I think Branyan is better than Casey Blake. Plus, he'll require a shorter contract. As for Durham, he'd be a good part time player.
You combine those two moves and you have the money to re-sign Furcal, as long as he's willing to accept a 2 or 3 year deal. Anything longer, and we let him go.

Russell Branyan does not get nearly the amount of walks Jack Cust does.

Helton is not getting traded. He has a full no trade clause and has made it clear he'd only go to one of three teams: Braves, Cards, or Red Sox. Cards have Pujols, Red Sox have Youk and might be chasing Tex, and the Braves have Kotchman. All better options in terms of talent and price tag.

"Russell Branyan does not get nearly the amount of walks Jack Cust does."

Um, Cust doesn't play 3B

would you trade Pat Burells HIS 14m per yeAR and $4 cash for Brad Penny or Ryan Dempster and randy wolf and sign Baldelli at 2.5m as a platoon outfield? i wiuld it seems like great value

Selling high on Perkins and Blackburn would be fine. But none of the guys in AAA look like they will make good MLB starters. At best if they are lucky they can achieve the same amount of success as Perkins and Blackburn.

And does anybody really think that this team can go an entire year without an injury to a starter. Starting pitching depth is very good to have.

i don't think the twins are trading any of their young pitchers. there hasn't been a single inkling from bill smith that he is willing to do that. the only thing he has said is they have a surplus out outfielders, so i think the only ones that could go are delmon or cuddyer. and my guess is on delmon.

boof bonser and phil humber are out of options, so they will either be in the pen or traded, although neither will get anything back. Boof throws mid-upper 90's and has a nasty curve, he just needs to work on mixing pitches and NOT throwing that fastball right over the plate. if they can get him to adjust, he'd make a great reliever.

also keep in mind, the rockies could trade holliday, atkins, hawpe, helton, torrealba, cook, taveras and STILL have a shot to win the NL west next year!

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