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Rogers' Latest: Royals/Cubs, Peavy, Phillies
Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune has an interesting piece covering many topics throughout MLB:
- The Royals are specifically eyeing Sean Marshall and Mike Fontenot as targets while discussing a trade for Mark Teahen with the Chicago Cubs. We've heard some conflicting reports recently about whether or not this trade was actually being talked about. Teahen could fill the Cubs' right field vacancy, but his offensive struggles since moving to the outfield have been well-documented.
- Houston could still be a dark-horse candidate for Jake Peavy. Roy Oswalt has been telling Peavy the two of them could make Houston contenders together. I can't see a sensible package coming from Houston without opening new holes, however.
- The Phillies don't plan on making any drastic moves, despite Chase Utley and Pedro Feliz undergoing surgery.
- The Dodgers and Tigers are both interested in Orlando Cabrera.
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If the Tigers don't want Renteria, they don't want Cabrera. They want someone cheaper and doesn't cost them a pick.
Posted by: TigerFan54 | November 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM
As a Royals fan.. DOOOOO THISSSS if possible... Add in Julio Pimentel too... Mark Teahen and Julio Pimentel for Sean Marshall and Mike Fotenot
Posted by: Focs | November 23, 2008 at 04:19 PM
Teahen for Marshall. Done deal.
Chop chop, Dayton Moore. DO IT.
Posted by: melonis rex | November 23, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Astros have been talking about the possibility of trading Wigginton and Valverde...trading both might make sense to get enough prospects to send to San Diego and keep a starting pitcher prospect for themselves...
Houston gets:
Peavy
Indians get:
Valverde
Wigginton
Padres get:
2 of Indians pitching prospects (Miller/Lewis/Laffey)
Bogusevic
Or the Indians could give the Astros Schoppach and one pitching prospect. Ship Schoppach and the pitching prospect to SD for Peavy.
Posted by: Mistyck | November 23, 2008 at 04:25 PM
i'm hearing the cubs are in negotiations with bobby abreu for rf
Posted by: the_kid_01 | November 23, 2008 at 04:27 PM
"i'm hearing the cubs are in negotiations with bobby abreu for rf"
hearing or reading?
Posted by: GeneralManager | November 23, 2008 at 04:28 PM
fontenot and marshall for teahen is terrible. it would hurt the cubs more than it would help them. especially for an outfielder who will most likely never live up to the hype. go after abreu or ibanez before trading away to much talent for another below-average outfielder.
Posted by: dpl87 | November 23, 2008 at 04:34 PM
I was just about to post the same thing about the Valverde and Wigginton to Cleveland deal.
Tribe has a lot of what the Padres want/need. They need a lot of starting pitching and the Tribe has a lot of #4-5's to give them for depth. Houston would have to provide a top prospect to the Padres or give the Tribe some money to pay for Wigginton and Valverde, which would mean the Tribe adding a top prospect.
Posted by: Hermie13 | November 23, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Houston gets:
Peavy
Indians get:
Valverde
Wigginton
Padres get:
2 of Indians pitching prospects (Miller/Lewis/Laffey)
Bogusevic
Or the Indians could give the Astros Schoppach and one pitching prospect. Ship Schoppach and the pitching prospect to SD for Peavy.
i think the indians are going to use miller in the pen. and hes number one if can stay healthy.
Bogusevic is not what the padres want.
they also have young catching on the team and in the minors.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 23, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Why in the world would Jim Hendry trade away two valuable players for one bench player. As a corner outfielder, Teahan gives you very little. He is a bench player while Marshall and Fontenot are starters on a lot of teams in this league.
Posted by: Isaac Z. Schlueter | November 23, 2008 at 04:46 PM
Dodgers! Please sign Orlando Cabrera!!!
Posted by: NedCollettiClueless | November 23, 2008 at 04:51 PM
"Why in the world would Jim Hendry trade away two valuable players for one bench player. As a corner outfielder, Teahan gives you very little. He is a bench player while Marshall and Fontenot are starters on a lot of teams in this league."
I 100% agree. This report is either BS, the Royals are sending over more than just Teahen, or it's Marshall OR Fontenot for Teahen. I still don't think either one for Teahen straight up is a good deal. Why do we need another 4th outfielder?
Posted by: BigBatsMcHellfire | November 23, 2008 at 04:51 PM
why do Cubs fans think Marshall holds so much value??
Hes a 4 or 5 at best in the NL, he would be a 5/long reliever in the AL, nothing more
Posted by: Adam | November 23, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Dodgerblue:
I thought they said they were shopping for a closer saying that Shoppach would be dealt only for a good closer. The Twins are in serious talks with Blake and Blake was the guy the Indians targeted...
As for Bogusevic, Pence can be substituted if the Indians send an OF prospect instead for Houston...
Posted by: Mistyck | November 23, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Marshall holds about as much value at Wandy Rodriguez--he's a cheap lefty starter...nothing more...
Posted by: Mistyck | November 23, 2008 at 05:01 PM
As Wandy Rodriguez, not "at"...sorry...
Posted by: Mistyck | November 23, 2008 at 05:02 PM
"why do Cubs fans think Marshall holds so much value??
Hes a 4 or 5 at best in the NL, he would be a 5/long reliever in the AL, nothing more"
Sean Marshall would be a very strong starter on other teams. There is just too many starters for the Cubs already. Marshall gives you a great lefty starter that is also willing to relieve. Good attitude, good teamate. I hope the Cubs keep him. And I definitely hope the Cubs even think about wanting Teahen.
Posted by: Jammin502 | November 23, 2008 at 05:07 PM
"(Miller/Lewis/Laffey)"
so the padres give up their below-market-valued ace for miller, a guy who lives on the DL, Lewis, a reliever, and Laffey, who has been very underwhelming? I dont think that that trio, let alone two of them, can be the centerpiece of a trade for Peavy.
Posted by: bfender | November 23, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Jeez this has 2 be BS propaganda from KC
If hendry would trade either for a over hyped out fielder that is worse the fukudome then hendry should be commited into the fruit farm.
Marshall he been extremely disrespected by you wanta be gm's he is a great long reliever or a more than decent 5th starter.
Fontenot should be starting over derosa his defense is just a little better than dero and will hit for more power than dero and his avg should better also.
So keep dreamin KC fans it should never even be seriously considered as I have read this trade possibility.
Posted by: gunsnascar | November 23, 2008 at 05:32 PM
and for the record WE DONT NEED PEAVY on the cubs
Angel guzman will be the 5th starter over marquis and that would be better than last year.
Posted by: gunsnascar | November 23, 2008 at 05:37 PM
"so the padres give up their below-market-valued ace for miller, a guy who lives on the DL, Lewis, a reliever, and Laffey, who has been very underwhelming? I dont think that that trio, let alone two of them, can be the centerpiece of a trade for Peavy."
Bfender: Who lives on the DL? Miller? Lewis as in Scott Lewis the starter...Indians have 2 Lewis'...also who said they were the centerpiece? Two of them could be part of the deal just like Bud Norris can be with Pence as the Centerpiece...
Posted by: Mistyck | November 23, 2008 at 05:41 PM
I think Guzman will be in the bull pen and serve as Marmols set up guy along with Gregg. Either Samardzija or Marquis will be the #5 guy in the rotation. Unless Cubs trade Marquis or sign Randy Johnson.
Posted by: BLEEDINGCUBBIEBLUE | November 23, 2008 at 05:47 PM
Teahan for Marshall and Fontenot!! NO F----- way!!! I rememeber when Hendry made good trades Ceda for Gregg, that trade must have been done with a gun to Hendry's head!! If they trade Marshall and Fontenot for Teahan, I hope the owners FIRE Hendry as their first move!! And not signing Wood when he wanted to stay, and was willing to sign a 1yr deal, hopefully this trade doesnt happen, because this will be the second time the Cubs were robbed this off season!!!
Posted by: bcaine | November 23, 2008 at 06:00 PM
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!! Hendry CAN NOT follow up the Ceda for Greg deal with anything involving Teahan, especially one that involves giving up Marshall and/or Fontenot. Those guys may not have as much value to other teams, but they did a lot for us last year and can still do a lot for us this year in the roles that they had last year. That would be a horrible deal. The only way to accept Teahan is if we get rid of Marquis and his horrible contract in the doing so, but then it cant involve also giving up Marshall and Fontenot. Hendry wont do this, he's much smarter......I hope.
Posted by: sharx | November 23, 2008 at 06:26 PM
"Houston could still be a dark-horse candidate for Jake Peavy"
If Towers does not feel the Cubs have enough in their farm to get Peavy, there is no way Houston has enough. Their farm is thinner than just about anyone in baseball.
Posted by: studio179 | November 23, 2008 at 06:55 PM
Would it be too far fetched of an idea to do something quite simple? Put Fontenot at 2B, move DeRosa to RF, and move Fuki to CF and platoon him with Johnson. Fontenot, for a little guy, has a ton of pop. He's also a pretty solid defensive 2B. We are talking about a guy who carried a .909 OPS in 243 AB this past season... and hit 9 HR with 40 RBI in that span.
You could assemble a pretty solid lineup here.
SS Theriot
RF DeRosa
2B Fontenot(L)
3B ARam
LF Soriano
C Soto
1B Lee
CF Fuki(L)/Johnson
You can now try to shop Marquis around and see about collecting enough cash to go after another topnotch starter... or even re-signing Wood after all.
Also, I think Guzman may be better suited for the pen for the time being. He has to prove he can stay healthy (he's hit the DL each of the past 5 years) before he can be issued the workload of 180+ IP. Smardie, I think, is also best suited for the pen until he can perfect a third pitch. I think we need Marshall in the pen or as a viable 5th starter option much more than Teahen.
Posted by: Unlitedsoul | November 23, 2008 at 06:59 PM
Wow im way out of my element here. I didnt know you guys were MLB scouts whove studied baseball all your life. I hope Hendry and the entire cubs scouting staff is fired and you guys can all band together to replace him.
I think the Ceda trade was pretty crazy, but Ceda has major control and weight issues so maybe the cubs staff knew something we dont.
As far as Teahen, I actually like him, hes the only player were targeting that plays solid D. Hes still only 27 which means he still has room to improve. I wouldnt mind Fontenot going, but i dont want to see Marshall go he provides a ton of insurance. Hes the type of player you have to watch to appreciate.
Posted by: chicubs25 | November 23, 2008 at 07:01 PM
You have Lee batting 8th? I think people are starting to think hes worse than he is. Hes possibly our best OBP guy and still hits 300 and your going to bat him 8th? And Fontenot 3rd?
Posted by: chicubs25 | November 23, 2008 at 07:05 PM
Jesus, i've never seen some much misunderstanding caused by a simple 'and'. For example when I go to mcdonalds i decided between getting a #1 and a #5. that doesn't mean I'm decideding if i want to get a #1 and a #5. honestly.
"Sean Marshall would be a very strong starter on other teams. There is just too many starters for the Cubs already."
And if this were true then why all the talk and need for Peavy?
Teahen for Marshall would be fair. Teahen for Fotenot would be questionable but not horrible. Teahen has had an awesome two month stretch before and that's all it takes for GM's, Coaches and scouts to believe that it is possible and thus assign undue value to him.
But as a Royals fan I will agree with the Cubs fans who don't believe this will happen. A Teahen trade will only happen if all other FA/trade options for the Cubs are exhausted.
Posted by: basicslop | November 23, 2008 at 07:24 PM
"Sean Marshall would be a very strong starter on other teams. There is just too many starters for the Cubs already. Marshall gives you a great lefty starter that is also willing to relieve. Good attitude, good teamate. I hope the Cubs keep him. And I definitely hope the Cubs even think about wanting Teahen."
Yup, such a great attitude he graciously insists Jason Marquis gets his innings.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | November 23, 2008 at 08:40 PM
Ya they got raped in the Cedo for Gregg, Ceda's gonna be a stud muffin.
Posted by: soufside4life | November 23, 2008 at 09:40 PM
Teahen for Marshall and Fontenot doesnt make any sense. Marshall is a talented left arm either for the rotation or the bullpen and Fontenot is one of the best if not the best of the few left handed hitters that the Cubs have....I wouldnt even trade Teahen for Fontenot
Posted by: bayoklein | November 23, 2008 at 09:41 PM
"Dodgers! Please sign Orlando Cabrera!!!"
I really hope you're being facetious. First off, Cabrera is a Type A free agent, which would cost the Dodgers their first round pick. Second off, Cabrera was horrible last season. His OPS+ last season was 84. He hasn't had a league average OPS+ since 2003 when he was with Montreal. And that was the only one of his career. His OBP was only .334. He's going to be 34, demand a multi year contract around $10 mil a year and is only going to decline. And his defense isn't that good. If the Dodgers can't re-sign Furcal on a 3 year contact with a dual option for a fourth year ($500K player opt out, $3mil team opt out) worth $13 mil a year, then they should just let Hu and Berroa battle for playing time this year. Berroa is horrible and had a 62 OPS+, but at least we can pay his something like 3 or 4 million for one year and then have Ivan DeJesus Jr. ready for 2010.
Posted by: DodgersBruin | November 24, 2008 at 01:24 AM
DodgersBruin: Amen to that!
I am tired of the Dodgers and Ned Colletti paying top dollars for players who are known to be "mediocre."
People were outraged with Juan Pierre's play as a Dodger. He actually performed exactly as he always has. The problem being, he is not very good.
You made a great case as to why Cabrera is mediocre.
Spend the money elsewhere!
Posted by: MikeClarke | November 24, 2008 at 06:58 AM
Fontenot is not a starter, he did well off the bench but would probably hit .260 as a starter. Marshall is probably a 5th starter in the AL. I wouldnt give up both for Teahen, but I would give up one or the other.
Posted by: clarknaddison | November 24, 2008 at 11:16 AM
I think this would be a perfect trade...
Astros get:Jake Peavy, Matt LaPorta
Indians get:Valverde and Wigginton
Padres get:Hunter Pence, Adam Miller, Scott Lewis and Brian Bogusevic.
Thoughts?
Posted by: averybear11 | November 24, 2008 at 02:04 PM
Oh, and add Brad James to the "Indians get"
Posted by: averybear11 | November 24, 2008 at 02:09 PM
Why would Detroit be looking at Cabrera? From what I have heard he and Carlos Gullien do not get along. The last thing this team needs is dividing personality in the clubhouse.
Posted by: Tiger fan in Chicago | November 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM