Other Suitors For Sabathia, Rodriguez, Fuentes

god... i cant wait til the winter meetings. any more of this back and forth w/ what ifs and opinion columns is gonna make me go nutty.

These guys make me laugh. CC is signing with the yankees, no will put a offer close to them. They will then go and sign tex.

This is like the ideal situation for the Red Sox

yanks12025:

Because you're a player and a GM aren't you?

Sabathia has sat on his contract for 10 days because he doesn't want to go to New York, at least not for the Yankees.

Yes they can outbid any team but since he's sincerely wanting to go to either the West Coast or the NL (Giants? Dodgers?) he'll be sitting on that contract for another 2 weeks.

i never said cc WILL sign with the angels. i also think cc will sign with the yankees.

the angels are posturing so they can keep teix. which i think they will.

K-Rod to Milwaukee makes zero sense. Neither does Fuentes.

The Brewers need a bullpen, not a "closer". With Torres gone, the pen looks like it can throw many BP sessions.

johns-

Farnsworth would be a good idea for Milwaukee. As would Juan Cruz. Street probably is still available from Colorado, especially with Manny Corpas and Taylor Buchholz laying around.

Or, better yet, why not Kerry Wood? He'll be cheaper than K-Rod/Fuentes, but as long as the Brewers add a few other acquisitions via freely available talent and/or low-key signings/trades, it would be nice.

No, Tbone88 Said that CC would have signed a day after the yankees offered him the money. What im trying to get at is no player will sign with a team as soon as they offer him the contract. Even if we wants to sign with them 100% or if he does not want to sign with them. He waits and see whats out their and then decides what to do. I bet 100% that CC will be a Yankee. And if you have read some of the reports he also said he is will to go anywhere.

casper,

Great point on no other offers to CC besides the Brewers.

There will be though.

Surely the Giants, Angels, or Dodgers will at least give it a go, offer a lower contract and see if these West Coast preference rumors are true. If they are, I could see CC taking a huge discount to stay. He'd be an idiot to do so, but that's just my opinion.

Why would they go after Sabathia when they need offense?

Because you can offer existing players to trade for the offense you want maybe?

Yanks12025 and Mford:

I said, if CC wanted the money and to play for the Yanks, he would have signed the deal 72 hours after the offer was made....not the same day.

It seems very apparent that what we all have been hearing is that he wants to go West or play in the NL.

You don't sign the first deal that comes to your lap, however, it is well known and documented that another team will not come close to what the Yanks are offering. Everyone in the baseball universe knows the bottomless money pit that is the Yankees.

If CC has taken 10 days(maybe more) to "think over" this offer, it seems apparent that he will not play in pinstripes. We also have heard teams are preparing to put together a package, however, we haven't heard an official offer.

All I am saying is that the Yankees fans are so sure CC going to sign in NY. All indicators do not point in that direction. It's not going to happen and you'll have to wait another year without a title.

tbone88,

I agree that Yankee fans are overly confident about their landing Sabathia.

I root for the Yankees and simply do not believe he is going to end up with them. I have my reasons.

I get that he is waiting for more offers. Makes sense, but its been about 10 days now since he received the offer from the Yanks, only other offer was from the Brew Crew. So what gives? Are the Yankees expected to simply sit and wait until Christmas? I hear all these rumors about CC deciding after Thanksgiving and my opinion is such that they give him literally until the day after Thanksgiving to give some kind of definitive response, counter-offer, etc. or tell him to take a hike and enjoy the West Coast.

Should the Yankees be patient and wait to see if the Angels get Tex and thus do not go for CC? I say no. The Yankees need to start looking elsewhere.

I just have a hard time justifying the allowance of a $140 million contract to just sit on the table. I'm sure there has been correspondence between CC's people and the Yankees, but I believe they're in the same situation they were 10 days ago.

Ultimatly, I believe CC pitches in San Francisco with a 5 year contract in the neighborhood of $110 million.

The best part of my pessimism/realism is that if the Yankees do end up getting CC, I can only be pleased as opposed to let down, cuz honestly, I don't really care if they get him or not.

I have question hopefully someone could answer here. Well CC has said he prefers the NL cuz he likes to bat, well what if an AL team signs him can they use him as the DH on days he pitches?

JaketheSnizake,
You are assuming CC is gonna sign with the Yankees. There are teams in the AL that don't have a good DH or they use the DH spot to give guys rest so letting CC bat once every 5 games isn't really that bad considering it gives your team an ace pitcher and makes him happy.

JaketheSnizake,
The Mariners would be a good fit for him cuz they have no DH and play in a pitcher friendly park. The Angels do use Vlad as a DH once in awhile but Garret Anderson was their primary DH and he is now a free agent so CC is a good fit in Anaheim cuz even if they use Vlad as the full-time DH which he is against, letting CC DH once a week and Vlad play the OF wouldnt hurt the Angels.

Sherman is almost never right.

Alright, let's look at the whole thing logically:

1) How often has a player accepted a first offer from a team when it's not his current team? Almost never, I can't think of an example.

2) Answering the "CC hasn't signed yet because he doesn't want to be a yankee." Or he wants to see over the next couple of weeks if other teams will beat that price. Or for that matter match it. It's a negotiating tactic. Once say the Dodgers, Angels, Giants, etc make more formal proposals the yanks may not raise the price but may throw in a strong no-trade clause, great perks, etc.

3) A 140M offer from the yanks when you need to live in new york for at least 6 months actually isn't financially better than say a 130M contract from somewhere like Milwaukee when you factor in cost of living.

4) The entire "CC must want to play in new york because of the new stadium" is a joke. No basis in fact. Especially if you consider nowhere has CC said hey I want to be an ace in a new stadium. Which brings up another side question, does anyone know if the new yankee stadium stadium is designed to be a hitters park, pitchers park, or just average.

i just hope the yankees improve offer teixeira a contract please cashman please keep him away from boston and dnt give burnett 5 years

"1) How often has a player accepted a first offer from a team when it's not his current team? Almost never, I can't think of an example."

That is a very good point and one that have been thinking about since the deniers of CC signing with the yanks have started with this offer.

I can think of *1* in all the years of following BB that am aware of and it's Bill Campbell who signed with Boston as a FA like 2-3 days after filing for FA in '77 with the 1st offer. I still recall the words he said regarding it "It was fair and about what i wanted", not many 30+ years later may do that, but it has happened and granted, it was a Bosox signee which I'd remember more being one of my favorite teams.

Melonis Rex,

Excellent point on kerry Wood if Milwaukee can get him, only I have a feeling he is going to require 10+ million and a 3-4 year contract. If they can get him for 10 mil and 1-2 years with another year as an option, it would be a terrific sign, just not sure about his health.

i think if CC gets a good fair offer from the west coast teams hes coming home.
i think he wants to pitch in NL(the nl west and the al east are polar opposites) and the dodgers have the pieces to become a powerhouse in the west, if wants to play in his home state and have a chance to win he will sign with LA

the Angels can afford Sabathia but I have to agree with some of the other posts on here...why would they spend so much money on someone like CC when they could use a few bats so much more?
Additionally, I really don't think that CC is going to land in New York...at least not with the Yankees. Right now the only legitimate offers he has received are from the Brewers and Yankees. While it seems crazy, as so many Yankees fans on here suggest, that he would end up in Milwaukee for one less year and 40 million less, it's not impossible at all. In fact there's a very good chance.
1: If CC takes another year he will be less able to land a huge contract at the end of this one as he will be 35 or 36 I believe?? making him much more unattractive on the free agent market. If he takes the Brewers offer he will be 34 or 35 with an opportunity to land another mega-deal that will set him up for retirement. Plus, the value of his contract will go down every year that he is locked up because inflation will push the market for starting pitching higher and higher every year...meaning that other big name pitchers will be making much more money in the later years of his contract. If he takes the Brewers offer he will be able to get another shot at free agency while he is still in his prime.

2: Like an article cited on this website...the cost of living in Milwaukee is nothing compared to what it costs in New York. between taxes and a property investment, Sabathia would make up a large chunk of the discrepancy in the two contracts by living in Milwaukee.

additionally...on Brewers closers...
the Brewers need to retool their pen with the loss of Torres. Being able to re-sign Shouse, a lefty would be huge. They can then bring up another lefty...Mitch Stetter, as well as Tim Dillard from the minor leagues.
What they do with free agent closers will depend on Sabathia. I think signing K-rod would be a bad idea all around for a team like Milwaukee. Cash is already an issue, it seems crazy to committ that much money to a guy who gives you one inning. But if the Brewers lose out on Sabathia it could happen...however I think someone like K-rod is a lot to ask of the Brewers.
Fuentes if they can get the right deal would be feasible...and Wood is an intriguing option, but from what I've heard that rumor has been shot down a bit. Either way I'd be all for that.
Offering Sheets arbitration and a one-year 15 mil. contract would be an awesome option for the Brewers in my opinion...because it would give them another year of a very strong staff with Gallardo coming back as well. After next year they would have all sorts of payroll available again when Suppan's huge contract was finally cleared...

Where have you heard anything more than rumors about the Brewer offer and deferred money? Melvin has never formally announced the exact particulars of any deal. He did not even say how many years he had offered or the price. All the reports were speculative.