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nixa37 wrote:

Assuming the Red Sox are able to keep Drew healthy for the playoffs (not a problem thus far), I'd take him with his contract over Damon in a heartbeat. Unlike Damon, who has regressed to an average to slightly above average LF, when healthy Drew is still one of the elite RF in the game. Excluding 2007, Drew's lowest OPS+ since 2003 (126) is significantly better than Damon's career best (118). The difference between the two is that Drew's was high-risk/high-reward, while Damon's was medium risk/low reward

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What is your defenition of elite? The year the Sucks signed him he hit 20 hrs and 100 rbis w/ a .283/.393 line. Since then he hasn't come anywhere near that. His two best years btw have come in his walk years 04 (31/93 rbis) and 06 (20/100). Other than that he's been an avg hitter (est: 15 hrs/65 rbis/.280 avg). The one things he does consistantly well is put up a high obp (lifetime .392). Meanwhile, it's not a smart arguement to compare Damon and Drew as players as they've played completely different positions for most of their careers and Damon is and always has been a lead off type hitter. But for the sake of arguement let's take a look.

Damon vs Drew (lasy 3 years)

games: 144 vs 132
Bavg: .286 vs .278
obp: .362 vs .391
runs: 103 vs 82
hrs: 18 vs 16
rbis: 71 vs 76
sb: 27 vs 3

Now let's take somethings into consideration. Damon's a lead off hitter who until this past year played CF and is not playing LF while Drew is a power hitting corner OF. Let's take away the stolen base differential since Drew has never been a speedy player.

Drew wins the obp battle by a .029 differential.

Damon, while batting lead off, beats Drew in homeruns (18 vs 16), runs (+21)and has a slight edge in batting avg (.286 vs .278).

Drew has a slight edge in rbis (76 to 71) but that difference should be much greater since, as you put it, Drew is an "elite" RF who bats in an rbis slot (4,5,6) whereas Damon bats leadoff and doesn't have as many rbi opportunities.

Damon was signed to a 4/52 deal at 13 per.

Drew was signed to a 5/70 deal at 14 per.

How is Drew a better deal than Damon when Damon, despite having a lower obp, is responsible for more hrs and runs scored AND provides about as many rbis batting from the leadoff position? Plus Drew has always been injury prone (missed an avg of 40 games) where as Damon, who plays a more athletic role (CF/LF/Leadoff) but has only been on the 15 day DL once in the last 13 years.

Encarnation needs to be moved to LF. He's one of the worst defensive 3B in the game, even worse than Casey Blake, who can be had for just money, no players/draft picks/etc. And, the Twins don't need another OF. So, no.

Kouzmanoff + Khalil Greene isn't nearly enough for Delmon. Khalil's a one year rental (the Twins don't really do 1yr rentals), and Kouz is a mediocre 3B.

And shouldn't you assume that a player will be able to actually take the field when you committ to giving them a 5 yr/70 mil deal?

This is a problem that I have. The money the Yanks spend isn't mine so I won't take it personal when someone wants to criticize them. I just want to know this:

Why is Damon's deal considered so hideous and indicative of poor judgement but Drew, who has a history of injuries and as an "elite" Rf has only had one 100 rbi season in his 10 year career, gets a pass?

RBI's are a very poor stat when evaluating a hitter. A hitter is far to dependant on his team and situation. Thats why wins and rbi are rarely mentioned in an intellegent baseball conversation.

How about a 3 team trade invloving the Twins, Marlins and

The Marlins send Jorge Cantu (3B/1B) to the Twins.

The Twins send Delmon Young to the Marlins.

The Marlins send a couple of prospects to the Cleveland Indians for Andy Marte (3B) and Franklin Gueiterez (LF/RF)

The Twins might need to get another prospect or 2 to sweeten the deal for them but Cantu can be good for 25 hrs/90 rbis and is only 27 and should be 2 years away from free agency.

"Young is only 22 years old and he's been able to hit for a pretty high average so far in his MLB career. I think you guys aren't giving him enough credit.

The guy just adjusted to a whole new team, new town, new atmosphere, new position, new stadium. Someone doesn't go from adjusting to being a Devil Ray (at the time) to being a Twin all that easy. Of course he had an ugly defensive season, but left field isn't his position anyways. You gotta give him time to adjust."

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Wow, you can really tell you are a 'twinsfan'.

Delmon Young just left the toughest division in baseball to move to Minnesota... and he needs time to adjust? He didn't jump leagues and he has the added benefit of not facing the Jays, Sox or Yankees as much. Easy adjustment in my eyes. I do agree that he was rushed to the big leagues but he hasn't hit for the slightest whiff of power since arriving in '06.

The Reds need to offer more than Homer Bailey to get Dye.
they should just keep bailey and let him pitch and work it out.
just wait for alonso to take over at first and stick votto in left. put stubbs at CF bruce at rf.

that team could be very scary with pitching on the horizon.

phillips-2b
kepp-ss(maybe)
bruce-rf
alonso-1b
votto-lf
frazier-3bEE is gone by this time
stubbs-cf
Mesoraco-c

wow.. that looks pretty damn good.

why is red sox dynasty back?

and well the yankee fans respond to criticizm that way cuz quite frankly half of you attack for no reason

a yankee post goes up and its automatically YANKEES ARE SPENDING MONEY BUT THEYRE NOT GOING TO THE PLAYOFF HAHAHAHAHAHAH MY TEAMS BETTER

how do you expect a fan to react?

Adjusting to a new franchise seems easy to you huh? Guarantee you 3 outta 4 players wouldn't say that

Yeah we don't need EE, he can hit for power yeah, but horrible defense and he can't hit w/ RISP. Besides, it looks like Blake is pretty determined to be a Twin next year.

So I'd take a SS. And Cantu? Nahhh, I don't think he's worth it and besides, isn't his contract up next year?

twinsfan- Cantu's arbitration eligible for the first time this year. So, he's got 3 more years. Although, it would be ideal to move him to 1B/LF because he is a HORRIBLE defensive 3B (even worse than EE), which the Twins kind of can't do, for those positions are blocked.

thr33niL- Players really don't need much time adjusting to different divisions/leagues, especially if its interleague, but Delmon was rushed up because a certain moron gave an 18 year old drafted out of HS a Major League contract which said that he had to be in the bigs by 2007. He needed to spend 2007 and probably most of 2008 in AAA, but had to be rushed up due to that contract.

Going back to a much earlier comment, I think it is far easier to hide a player with no position, especially a RH player, in LF than 1B

1B doesn't require great range or arm, but there are several unique types of plays and positioning conisderations. The 3-6-3 for a RH player is especially tricky for an unathletic guy

In LF, if you have a terrible defender like Burrell or Manny, you just tell them to play deep and you may give up a few extra singles. At 1B they both could be bunted at like I've seen Fielder/Howard at timesand could cost you big innings with poor throws with men on base

I dont think its entirely fair to call Berkman a lesser defender than Tex....remember he played in that ridiculus outfield in Houston and played admirably.....my point im trying to make is everyone agrees hands dwon that pujols is hands down the best right handed hitter in the game .....saying that if he does hit the open market(god forbid being a cardinals fan) if texeria signs a contract for roughly 22 million a year.....pujols could and possibly deserve 30-40 million a year.....but if all 4 of these guys hit the market at the same time..other than Albert who would you sign in order?.....I believe i would take Berkman then Tex then Lee

El Hombre 5,

I know you said you would take Berkman over Tex if both of them hit the FA market. But did you take age into consideration? Tex has 4 years on Berkman. Berkman will be 33 before Tex is even 29. So if you were looking to sign a firstbaseman wouldnt you take that into consideration seeing how Tex could provide production well after Berkman is done. I would sign Tex because he is at his peak as far as production goes while Berkman is on his way down. I know he had a good year this year ( most steals in his career, high BA, etc.) but his power numbers are down. I just dont see him ever nearing the 45hr mark again . If I were bidding I would take Tex before Berkman.

Manny to the Mets would make me a smile. I know it is still unlikely, then again Omar loves him, but it makes PERFECT SENSE!

It drives me nuts because the Mets are never mentioned and I feel like they do not consider it, but wow hmmmm, a LF, a righty hitter, someone who single handedly would have won some games at the end of last year by driving in those elusive insurance runs, which we know the mets needed. Manny could hit 4, sandwiched between Wright and Beltran. Wright would have a load of pressure off of him. The met's main focus is working on pitching, but they also mention their weaker spots being, LF, 2B, C. If you get Manny to extend the lineup, you can live with a lack of offense from 2B and C.

Then sign K-Rod, look for economical bullpen help, and trade for Edwin Jackson or look at a reasonable FA starters.

Eh?