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Without Hughes in a Peavy package, I'd imagine it'd require two of Jackson, Kennedy, Betances along with one or two more lesser prospects.
I can't see the Yankees doing that given all of Cashman's blustering about wanting to build from within. Sign CC and then hope that a combination of Aceves/Hughes/Kennedy can get it done until guys like Betances and Brackman are ready for the show.
Posted by: NY_Cardinal | November 19, 2008 at 08:40 AM
Towers is going to say the Yankees can pull off a deal with Hughes regardless to maintain the perception that there is a market out there. I actually think the Yankees could pull off a deal without Hughes, but I assume it would be take quite a few highly touted prospects without him. Something along the lines of Jackson and 2 of the high upside arms below AA seems like it would be a starting point.
Posted by: nixa37 | November 19, 2008 at 08:42 AM
Towers is screwed. should've accepted Escobar, Hernandez, Morton, Locke
Posted by: viktor06 | November 19, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Creepy
This could b the Yankees starting rotation:
CC, Peavy, Lowe, Burnett, Wang
Posted by: pskip13 | November 19, 2008 at 08:50 AM
Only Boras would ask for a Zito contract.
Hey Scott, referencing Barry Zito when making any deal might have a tendency to scare people away.
Only a thought
Posted by: HollywoodHitmen | November 19, 2008 at 08:52 AM
In theory, if Atl doesn't have to trade Hanson, we shouldn't have to trade Phil. same with Heyward and Jackson!?
but our lower minors, and best part of our farm, would get ravaged in a trade. Betances is our Brady Quinn. I don't want to see him go.
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | November 19, 2008 at 08:59 AM
I think there is a big question as to whether or no Locke was available as the 4th guy in a deal with Escobar, Hernandez, and Morton. If he was, then yeah Towers should probably be kicking himself right now. If it was the Braves walking away after offering Escobar, Hernandez, Morton, and Boyer with full knowledge that replacing Boyer with Locke would get the deal done, then I can't really blame Towers too much.
Posted by: nixa37 | November 19, 2008 at 08:59 AM
ArodMVP217,
Trying to compare Jackson to Heyward just makes you look like a typical Yankee fan that completely overvalues Yankee prospects in reference to those of other teams. Jackson just isn't on the same level as Heyward, which isn't a knock against him at all. Its just that Heyward is one of the top couple position prospects in all of baseball, while Jackson could be more accurately described as one of the top CF prospects in all of baseball. I'd peg Jackson's value as being similar to Jordan Schafer's. Schafer was more highly touted heading into the season and posted better numbers at the same level while being just 5 months older.
Posted by: nixa37 | November 19, 2008 at 09:08 AM
Yeeeeeeep, Towers is starting to look desperate.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | November 19, 2008 at 09:08 AM
Suddenly a rotation of
C.C(28)
Wang(28)
Peavy(27)
Joba(23)
Hughes(22), doesn't look so far fetched. If Cash can get it done then he's created the next Yankee dynasty IMO.
The prospect of Jackson is alluring, and I have no doubt he will be a good player but outfielders are much more available in this league than goos starting pitching. Say what you want about Peavy leaving PETCO, but he makes a hell of a #3 pitcher.
I don't understand what the downside of giving him a 2 year extension is either(thats been stated as a possible holdup..right?), the guy will still be in his low 30's when his current contract ends. I think his arm problems stemmed from trying to do too much on a weak Padres team. He won't have to be no hero in NY.
Now is the time to take advantage IMO.
Posted by: Gleb | November 19, 2008 at 09:09 AM
"burrell would never go to the mets.end of story."
…a friend of MetsBlog, who i trust, recently bumped in to Phillies OF Pat Burrell while at dinner in Arizona…her table was introduced to him as a group of Mets fans…he was much nicer than she expected he would be…however, according to burrell, he would be open to playing for the Mets when they enter Citi Field in 2009…upon hearing this news, our friend stopped talking and refused to shake his hand as he walked away…
http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/28/note-burrell-talks-with-mets-fans/#comments
Posted by: bobo | November 19, 2008 at 09:11 AM
"Towers is screwed. should've accepted Escobar, Hernandez, Morton, Locke"
Once again, time will tell. At this early stage of the offseason, I'm still glad he didn't take it.
My guess is that the market for Peavy picks up again once CC signs with the Yankees and one of Lowe or Burnett is off the market. Teams will get desperate.
"Yeeeeeeep, Towers is starting to look desperate."
Can't say I agree with that statement. All it says is that even if NY makes Hughes completely off limits, they still have pieces to make things happen. It's called being a flexible negotiator with a team with whom Towers would gladly deal given that it's in the AL. Makes sense.
Posted by: tomfromsd | November 19, 2008 at 09:24 AM
tomfromsd,
I just made a post in the previous thread with regards to a Peavy trade, but which teams specifically will be getting desperate? The Yanks will at least have CC and possibly Burnett/Lowe as well, so they'll likely slow down/stop Peavy talks. The Cubs already got Dempster and are more worried about RF than starters. I guess the Dodgers or Angels could get in on the bidding, but neither seems to consider SP a priority. What teams that Peavy will consider will be panicking to find SP at that point to drive up the price? This is why a lot of us feel Towers is painting himself into a corner here.
Posted by: nixa37 | November 19, 2008 at 09:36 AM
This whole Peavy thing is turning into the Santana thing last year.I Hope Towers does't over play his hand.
Posted by: manny(yanksfan) | November 19, 2008 at 10:02 AM
This is some interesting news regarding who Peavy would consider going to.
"Peavy would willingly be traded to as many as 13 teams"
http://www.gaslampball.com/2008/11/18/665094/peavy-would-willingly-be-t
Posted by: krs1 | November 19, 2008 at 10:09 AM
I think its a little misleading to quote the headline of a blog post, as opposed to the actual quote that blog post is based on. Axelrod said "there are probably 6-8 other teams [Peavy] would be willing to look at." Even the guy writing the blog admits he thinks Axelrod is posturing. I wouldn't put too much stock in that news.
Posted by: nixa37 | November 19, 2008 at 10:14 AM
First of all, it remains to be seen that NY will in fact sign their FA targets. Second, that may not stop them from going after Peavy anyways. Isn't going over the top what the Yankees are about?
IMO, the Cubs were only involved because Peavy liked them, but they were never considered players unless they involved a 3rd team, so that doesn't change much.
The LA teams, especially the Dodgers, will need to do something here. The only reason why talks are slow IMO is because Towers would like to avoid trading Peavy to a division rival if he can help it. That doesn't mean he won't if he has no other option. I still think the Angels get involved at some point as well.
Teams like the Phillies (who have little depth after Hamels)or Brewers (losing CC and Sheets) would be top of mind. Peavy's agent already played down the importance of the "list of 5 teams" and has said they'll look at anything which makes sense.
I don't know about you, but I can think of a number of teams who could use a guy like Peavy on their staff, and have prospects to get him. I'm thinking of the Rays or the Reds for example.
You can't tell me that the market is this bare when teams are considering giving Garland $13 million a year but won't trade for Peavy, a Cy Young winner.
Like I said, I still think the market heats up when teams who were bidders for the top FA's miss out and realize that Peavy could be the difference between contention or not. We may not know who those teams are yet, but some teams move quick. Look at the Angels for Torii Hunter. Who saw that coming?
Posted by: tomfromsd | November 19, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Why would it scare teams? Zito's contract isn't a secret. If anything, comparing him to Zito gets the conversation started about how much better he is than Zito, and, you know, look what Zito got. blah blah blah
I'm sure he meant years as well, or it's a pointless comparison. Guaranteed money is guaranteed money.
Posted by: plh903 | November 19, 2008 at 10:15 AM
you have to remember that without the addition of a top prospect (ie. Hughes, Heyward and handon, or Vitters) you have to provide higher quality for more prospects.
I think:
Brackman, A-jAck, Melancon, Montero and Robertson, without re-structuring
Brackman, Austin Jackson, Melancon and Aceves with restructuring
Posted by: theJonathan | November 19, 2008 at 10:23 AM
tomfromsd,
If the Yankees don't sign their free agent targets, its likely because Atlanta or one of the LA teams got one of them, which just removes another team from the bidding.
I think the Dodgers priority is still resigning Manny or maybe going after Sabbathia. If they make either of those moves, I'm guessing they're out on Peavy.
The Angels probably need hitting more than pitching and their 1st priority has to be resigning Texeira. If they do that, I'm sure they're out on Peavy as well.
I can't imagine Peavy waiving his NTC to play for the Phillies. Obviously they meet the criteria of being a contender, but I think playing half his games at CBP would make Peavy hesitant to make the move there. The Phillies also still need a LF, probably more so than they need a starter.
The Reds have the same problem with their home ballpark, without having the advantage of being competitive. I seriously doubt Peavy would consider them.
I guess the Brewers could make some sense if Peavy is amenable.
I'm guessing he'd consider the Rays, but I can't imagine them dealing the young arms necessary and locking up a huge portion of their budget in Peavy when they already have an over-abundance of starters.
So if the Yanks get CC and Burnett/Lowe, the Dodgers resign Manny, and the Angels resign Tex, who exactly are the Braves bidding against?
Posted by: nixa37 | November 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM
im not a big fan of rosenthal. a lot of what he says seems to be inaccurate. just the other he says the padres have had multiple discussions with the yankees only to have kevin towers shoot that down hours later.
Posted by: bkoke | November 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM
"So if the Yanks get CC and Burnett/Lowe, the Dodgers resign Manny, and the Angels resign Tex, who exactly are the Braves bidding against? "
All I'm saying is that's a lot of if's...
Posted by: tomfromsd | November 19, 2008 at 11:51 AM
idk Y the METS ARE NOT GOIN AFTER PEAVY , GIVE UP 2 OR 3 PROPECTS FOR HIM THE ROTATION WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS
Santana
Peavy
Manie
Perez
pelfrey
Posted by: Javy | November 19, 2008 at 12:52 PM
The only circumstance that I'd trade Doc Hallday is for 3+ allstars
or
The whole Florida Marlins Team
Posted by: _Jason_ | November 19, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Has anyone thought about the fact that with a peavy trade to the Cubs their rotation would be something along the lines of:
1. Z
2. Peavy
3. Harden
4. Dempster
5. Lilly/Marquis
Seriously, a guy they just resigned for 13 MM/ yr as a fourth starter? Plus their balanced lineup, that equals WS favs.
Posted by: iammetz5157 | November 20, 2008 at 10:46 AM