Third Team In Peavy Deal: Orioles?

The Weaver thing is moot anyways because RAWbert made it up.

rawbert did not make it up, however the article he read is purely speculative

Padres need to trade Peavy to the Braves

If the Padres are going to a 3 way deal, they should package Greene, Peavy and Giles

put* disregard package and then add after Giles should be all in the three way deal

i agree with bigpadre the best fit for san diego is either a three team deal or a straight up deal that involves the braves. the bravos have a deeper better system.

braves and Orioles have one of the deepest farm system and the worst is the Cubs

cant wait for the winter meetings...

Exactly, roguesaw, he said that the Angels were preparing a deal centered around Weaver. That article said IF a deal was centered around Weaver... It said NOTHING suggesting that the Angels were taking that route in using Weaver as their centerpiece. So yes, he did make up what he said, because nowhere does it say that the Angels were preparing that offer.

BIGPADRESFAN, The Cubs farm system isn't good, but it is certainly not the worst. Have you seen that Astros farm system?

alright rawbert, 123456789 and i gotta know... did you make up what you said? or are you ignorant as to what you read? get excited? read one sentence and not the whole story? gotta be careful with that kinda thing man.

now that i agree with. the angels have far more to work with than the cubs

123456789,
The Weaver trade is speculation just like every other trade rumor mentioned. You act like youre a GM. Youre not sitting in the meetings listening to negotiations. Im just going by the sources I read.

For the record, Jared Weaver is a great young guy to trade for. This could be the only time you're gonna get to trade for an arm like that.

"For those knocking Weaver's ability alot of pitchers have sophomore slumps and then they bounce back once they make adjustments."

Weaver isn't going through a sophomore slump. It's much more likely he was performing far above average to start his career. He wouldn't be the first. Weaver looks to be a long run average pitcher. Trading him for Peavy isn't a bad idea... but I'd add very little else of good value.

People keep saying that so and so has far more superior prospects than this team. It really doesn't matter though. If they aren't willing to give them up, like the Braves in their offer for Peavy, then they won't get the big name player that is being shopped. You could have the best prospects ever, but the team with lesser prospects willing to give up their best will get the player 10/10 times than the team with superior prospects not willing to give them up.

That said, I just don't see Peavy getting traded this offseason. The Cubs are the only team willing to give their best prospect, and beyond that their reported offer is no better than the sub-par offer from the Braves, who are unwilling to give up their top prospect. After that, there are no teams interested that Peavy would approve a trade to.

Weaver was the only name mentioned and ive read the Padres are looking for starting pitching, relief pitching, OF, and SS prospects. I know I jumped ahead of myself by saying the trade is being prepared but if the Padres want a major league ready starter either Saunders or Weaver is the most logical choice cuz Santana is going to arbitration and should get a decent raise and lackey makes almost as much as Peavy. You could probably throw Adenhart into the mix but he is still a year a way.

123456789 just cuz a team is willing to give up its best prospect doesnt mean it could make the best offer. the astros best wouldnt make the top twenty on most teams

even without hanson the braves can make a better offer than chicago.

anyone know for sure if peavy is willing to go to the angels? isnt he opposed to switching leagues?

Maybe Jared Weaver would be a great guy to trade for, but Jered Weaver gets by on his weird delivery and his good defense. Plus in his two full seasons he has not even approached 200 innings. I think it is MUCH more likely he ends up as Jeff Weaver then it is he competes for a CY Young.

IMO if Peavy was given a chance to play for LAA he would take it. They are definitely a playoff contending team and they play in a pitching friendly ballpark. Oh and their division sucks right now so he should win at 17 games if he stays healthy.

well if he wants to contend those two would do it for him

I think most Os fans would love to see Pie coming back, which would allow them to be able to perhaps deal power-slugger Reimold. He's a guy who hits 400+ ft bombs regularly and just went on .400 tears in the AFL recently. His stats might look off to an outsider due to his age but he had a labrum tear that took a year and a half to fully get over, resulting in a lost year and a half.

if baltimore can score chris tillman adam jones a closer and two relievers for erik bedard i gotta believe the pads can do better than anything weve talked about

Because that trade worked out so well for Seattle that other GM's are just lining up to be the next to make a trade like that. Bedard was available to any team that gave the O's what they wanted. Peavy has 3 suitors.

then keep peavy...

and dont judge the bedard deal after one season. seattle may still get an ace out of it. my point was more to gauge the market for an ace

and im aware of the santana deal and would like to point out that minnesota did so poorly because their timing was terrible. they coulda got kennedy hughes and cabrera from nyy at one point. oops. their bad.

willis... you mean willits?

and the bedard and haren deals were total hauls

Os had about 2-3 suitors at the time. Reds, Ms, and Mets. The Mets were never close. The Reds wouldn't deal Bruce but would offer a package that included Bailey and Votto. The Os wanted to at least swap out Bailey with Cueto. The Ms? Well, we know how that went, but for a long time, supposedly Triunfel was being talked about but the Ms were trying to swap him out with Clement. The Os just kept saying they think Clement is good but they already have a guy named Wieters at C.

jportz.. anything is possible but remember than macphail gets what he wants or he sits on his hands. unless something is hammered out already you could be waiting for months for deal to go down.

"I'd love to get Greene and Pie. Would Olson and two mid-level prospects from Britton/Erbe/Bergeson/Hernandez work?"

I would maybe consider Britton, but no way I trade any of those other guys for one year of Greene. I'm not saying don't make a play for Greene but I think O's fans would rather spend that $6.5 mil on Burnett, or Tex. For half that cost you could prob. get Isturiz or Feilpe Lopez with out giving up any prospects.

lol thanks man. poor bastard deserved his t.

is there any padres fans here????

plz don't trade kyle blanks!!!!

basemonkey are u a angels fan??

I don't know. I think Cashman was pretty serious about Hughes being off limits. I don't think he was going to ever move Hughes, and rightfully so. Moving Hughes now would be terrible for the Yankees. I think the Mets got Johan because that was the one spot that made sense all along. That is where Johan wanted to be, and the Red Sox and Yankees, the only two competitors of the Mets in the Johan sweepstakes were primarily involved to keep each other out of the mix. Santana to the Mets just made sense, all things considered. I feel the same way about the Braves and Jake Peavy, and I think that the Braves will get Peavy for a deal that most feel is not enough. But like you said about the Bedard deal, don't judge the Santana deal yet. Whether people like Gomez or not, the guy does have an absolutely amazing skill set. His upside is enormous. I won't go on and on about him because most of you know I heart Carlos Gomez. A lot of people like Humber too, depending on who you ask. With him also, the stuff is there. Mulvey is sort of bleh, but he was the ML Ready limited upside guy in the deal. Deolis Guerra also has Felix Hernandez like upside, so don't sleep on him either. If one of these guys becomes a successful major leaguer, then this deal looks pretty fair, to me.

Remember, the Mets already got all the value out of Santana that the twins were offering. The Mets paid those four players for 2008. What Santana does now really shouldn't be considered part of the winner/loser portion of the trade, since Johan had one year left and would be a free agent right now, where the Mets could have opened up the checkbook and brought him in. The only year Minn. controlled Johan for was 2008, and that is gone now. People will say "wait a minute! They offered the privilege of resigning Johan for 7 years!"

But to me, this was less of a privilege and more of an obligation. The Mets already got everything out of the trade that Minnesota had to offer. One year of Johan at market value. The same cannot be said about the return the Twins got. They have about 22 years of service time between Mulvey, Guerra, Gomez and Humber before we decide if they got enough for one year of Johan. My 2 cents anyway.

This post was directed at roguesaw, which may be hard to figure out since like 8 people posted between our two entries. Just to clear that up.

"the jake peavy deal should be similar to the Dan Haren, Santana, and Eric Bedard"

These deals were not really similar though. Johan had a full NTC, and was aone year rental. A bona fide ace. Dan Haren was coming off of his second great year, with I believe 2 or 3 years of service time remaining. No NTC. Bedard was coming off a great year, following up a solid one, with 2 years remaining, no NTC and an injury history. They were 3 very different sets of circumstances in those 3 trades.

I think that the padres should do these things in the offseason top 10:
1.trade Jake Peavy to the Braves for 4 players that are 2 pitchers and a mlb ready shortstop and a five tools centerfielder
2.get veteran help by signing C:Brad Ausmus, 1B:Tony Clark, and SP:Brad Penny
3.Sign some other injured pitchers like resign Prior, sign Mulder and Kevin Corredia
4.TRADE Khalil Greene!!!!!!
5.get 2nd base help either trav
6.rule 5 draft and get 2 players like Donald Veal and Chris Mason or a position utl player
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/11/the_2008_rule_5.php
7.acquire Reggie Willits
8.DO NOT TRADE KYLE BLANKS!!! and try to switch him to right field
9.improve the farm system
10.win a world series in the near future

Isn't Pie out of options? So the Cubs either have to keep him or trade him. Or they could just lose him?

Shouldn't Peavy should be worth more in return because of his contract that u can keep him over the past 3 years?? For example like GM Frank Wren should trade Tommy Hanson for Jake Peavy but I know that he is untouchable and I think this is ridiculous

im pretty sure there was a take it or leave it offer involving hughes last year. and yes cashman was against ut but no cash doesnt have the final say

its a great thing i am not the Padres GM I would of been really pressured

Im not saying the Angels have the best farm system but I would say they have 1 of the top 5 farm systems. Their system has just been depleted the last 2 seasons because players have been called up.

Thats a fair answer. I think Angels fans dont show Willits as much respect as they should. He was unbelievable his rookie year, and I constanly annoyed people by saying, "Where there's a Willits there's a way"

Reggie Willits will also help the padres until Cedric Hunter and maybe one of the players that come to san diego in the Jake Peavy deal are ready then u put reggie as a 4th outfielder in the future and pitch runner role

Yes, there is no team offering a total package that is more valuable then Tommy Hanson is alone, yet the Braves should offer him just to please the Pads. This 3 team trade talk confirms my theory that Peavy has to be trade before 09. Maybe not has to, but I think it is something that the front office really wants to do before the 09 season starts. Assuming this is the case, the Braves are the Pads best bet. The Braves will not offer you top prospects, and rightfully so because of the small amount of teams that have a chance to acquire Jake. This doesn't mean they aren't good prospects. I would not offer Hanson, or Schafer, or Heyward, or Escobar under any circumstances. There is no reason why some combo of Rohrbough, Locke, Gorkys, KJ, Prado, Flowers, Sumoza, and Reyes cannot get this done. That is a lot of talent, and KT's best bet. If you can get Escobar, which it seems like they had a chance to do, you take it and run with it.