Third Team In Peavy Deal: Orioles?

Thanks for the info Steveo26 and sportsguy.

So, if some of the rumors we've heard are true, the O's would be looking at the following rotation on Opening Day.

Burnett
Guthrie
Garland or Byrd
Hill
Marquis

I could live with that, providd Arrieta and/or Tillman were called up later in the season along with Wieters. :)

"Yes, there is no team offering a total package that is more valuable then Tommy Hanson is alone, yet the Braves should offer him just to please the Pads. This 3 team trade talk confirms my theory that Peavy has to be trade before 09. Maybe not has to, but I think it is something that the front office really wants to do before the 09 season starts. Assuming this is the case, the Braves are the Pads best bet. The Braves will not offer you top prospects, and rightfully so because of the small amount of teams that have a chance to acquire Jake. This doesn't mean they aren't good prospects. I would not offer Hanson, or Schafer, or Heyward, or Escobar under any circumstances. There is no reason why some combo of Rohrbough, Locke, Gorkys, KJ, Prado, Flowers, Sumoza, and Reyes cannot get this done. That is a lot of talent, and KT's best bet. If you can get Escobar, which it seems like they had a chance to do, you take it and run with it."

I am not saying that Tommy Hanson alone but I am say that they should package something with Tommy Hanson
Here a great note:
one scout says that tommy hanson might be better than Jake Peavy and compares Tommy to a taller Tim Lincecum

If they've been depleted, the Angels won't be Top 5. You have to factor in the other systems who have had great additions and prospects breakout (i.e. Rays, Rangers, Texas, Os, Jays, Indians, ChiSox, Yankees, Red Sox, etc). Saying that they've been downgraded to #4 or #5 is not a concession. I think they might be knocked out of the Top 10 this offseason. That's certainly not an insult to the Angels considering how much top quality players they've promoted. The goal of a farm is to make major leaguers, not rank as Best Farm System.

man which farm system is better Braves, Angles, Cubs or Os

basemonkey, who is Riemold??

funny sportsguy bet youda said that about the rays last year, and the os led this division into what... june? then got decimated by injuries.

DTogo- So u think that Cedric Hunter is a Center Fielder??

I agree the goal is to groom your farm system into pro players and the Angels have been very successful at that.

Reggie Willits is very much available. Even with the Angels losing GA and Rivera, Willits is the 4th OF on the depth chart and might be moved to 5th if the Angels pick up a LF.

"BTw, let's not forget the idea that Peavy may just accept a trade to the Cubs and the Cubs only...that makes all the talk about the Braves and Angels moot."

The Braves and Cubs are both teams he has said he will play for.

Padres have a prospect 2nd baseman name Eric Sogard who is a dustin Pedoria type player and I think Eric Sogard will be the second baseman so i think the padres will trade Jake Peavy to the braves for a shortstop escobar, hanson (I hope) or if he is still untouchable Jo Jo Reyes, Gorky Hernandez, Marak or Locke

If there was a 3 way trade and another player from the O's was sent to the Cubs would you rather send Scott or Huff?

Another note is that Reimold actually started out as a RFer. He just moved to LF because of Markakis.

I may sound extremely biased here, but, I try to be very objective. Between the Os, Braves, Cubs, and Angels, I'd have to rate the Orioles tops among them. They have 4 elite prospects in Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, and Arrieta topping off a very deep system of pitching prospects all performing to varying degrees of "good." After them I'd say Angels, Braves, and Cubs. The Angels had a lot of disappointing years, most notably from Adenhart and Nick Green. I like Jordan Walden and Hank Conger though.

nl west*

I would say Heyward, Hanson, and Schafer all fall in the category of elite prospects. Then add in guys like Rohrbough, Flowers, Locke, Sumoza, Teheran etc. and the Braves have a very good farm system also.

BIGPADRESFAN2009,
I dont know where you have been, but there is no chance in hell Blanks get moved to the outfield. And also the Braves have the most of what we need in their system, they are just mostly unwilling to give it up (by that i am not referring to Hanson, but the Single A pitchers). And out of that group its a toss up between the Braves and Angels for the better farm system, but in regards to Peavy, its the Braves, simply cause we know that he would approve of a trade there.

nrmax88,
Apparently you missed the note from Gammons earlier. The Braves had a deal in place with the Padres for Peavy, but they didnt want to give up the Single A pitcher (unknown if its Locke or Rohorbough)

"I think Willits will end up in SD eventually because he will never be an everyday OF in LAA, and I read rumors last year that they were gonna trade Willits to SD for a reliever so he would most likely be included in any trade between the 2 teams"

when what do u mean evenually RAWbert? and finally someone that agrees with me

I dont know when but there are only 2 teams ive ever seen Willits linked to, SD and CWS. Last year i think the Angels offered Willits for Cla Meredith but SD declined

You're right, nrmaxx88. Every Farm Rankings Projection I've seen thus far have discussed things based on inter-league ranks. It will be interesting to see how NL vs. AL systems shake out this year because we've seen quite a number of systems make progress. Heyward, Hanson, and Schafer are great prospects. The Braves have a strong system.

They might take it over the Os, mainly due to their position player depth against the Orioles. I'd take the Orioles pitching system depth over the Braves. It's close though.

hunter is the exact reason i dont think pie will come in a trade, or that trade will be made even.

the padres will not be the next rays even if their weak division allows them to "contend" and if by some miracle they make the playoffs they get swept. no world series appearance like the rays. the rays were a young talented athletic team that grew into form this year. the pads.... no

and to the guy that said the birds wont ever trade huff.... nows the time to trade him while his value is as high as its gonna get. he had a great season. he is a great trade canidate for baltimore.

i might rank the braves system ahead of my o's on the basis of balance. like i said before in the o's system positional prospects are few and far between. but at the same time i challenge you guys to show me a deeper system in terms of pitching talent.

the padres have some talent in the low minors.
they have 1st,2nd,lf,cf,catcher and a couple arms coming up.

i dont understand how cedeno would be a better shortstop than greene.

i think its safe to say that cedeno is not a good hitter.

he has 1000 abs already and hasnt dont anything..
but hes going to come around

and the dodgers Hu has 170 abs, and is regarded a 4a player..
its really hard watching people try to put thecubs package in the same breathe as atlantas or the dodgers(which isnt hapening)
the cubs do not have the talent, i think atlanta is just waiting for towers to lower his price.

I think that the padres farm system is underrated and the top 20 prospects should be:
1.Kyle Blanks
2.Cedric Hunter
3.Mat Latos
4.Kellen Kulbacki(if healthy, he would of been number 2
5.Eric Sogard
6.Will Innan
7.Matt Anothelli
8.Steven Garrison
9.Allan Dystkra
10.Jaff Decker
11.Jeremy Hefner
12.Andrew Cumberland
13.Yefri Carvajal
14.Sawyer Carroll
15.Stephen Faris
16.Chad Huffman
17.Mitch Canham
18.Felix Carrasco
19.Casor Ramos
20.Matthew Buschmann

"I would not move him at all right now. He is 6-7 280 pound first baseman. He plays decent defense, but not great, every scouting report I have seen, and watching him a couple of times at Lake Elsinore i would agree that he is limited to 1st. But why move him, cause he has value? No, he doesnt qualify for the Rule 5 draft til next year, let him play AAA and hold on to him. If someone offers a soild 2-3 arm for him than maybe move him. Pitching is more a need than anything else, we have outfielders on the way, Hunter /Huffman/Kulbacki plus anyone we get in the peavy trade."

Ok i see now AirmanSD but however how does Kyle Blanks be a rule 5 draft eligible next year he is only 21 right?

The padres have a bright future coming to them

Anybody disagree with my top 20 prospects??

nrmaxx88:

I've rethought that a bit. I still would take the Os over the Braves, but it's close. The Braves have a lot of toolsy all-around athletes with power bats. And they have a lot of solid projectable pitchers that fit a mold. Heyward, Hanson, and Schafer are the crowning pieces..but, it's hard for me to put any of those guys above Wieters right now. Schafer and Heyward are so young and still have a few ways to go to reach the majors. Hanson is a nice nice prospect but he struggled at first at Myrtle with an uptick in HR rate. I'd make that argument with him vs. TIllman. Tillman had a similar run in '07 but he was pitching in a extreme Cally Hitters League..but I'll call it a wash. Both guys are similarly talented and tall righty pitchers who project to be top rotation starters.

Orioles should send:
Padres get: Riemold and a pitcher
for
Orioles get:Khalil Greene

Braves, Angels and the O's farm systems probably could contend in the N.L West. The O's would have taken that division easily last year. Even if the Padres put together a team that can compete for the division in the next few years they will most likely not be able to compete in playoffs. The Padres biggest need is to get new owners and rebuild their team by rebuilding their farm take a page from the Rays book on how to build a team on a low payroll.

pADRE fans

mcdonald
withrow
hu
xaiver paul
or
vitters
marshall
pie
cedeno

what would you take?

the pads owner is in the middle of a divorce and cant spend more than 40 45 mil on payroll next year. i dont know why other than the divorce preceedings

"also Riemold is compared to a Jason Bay type player"

That sounds about fair.

Boston Belongs to Me:
I agree we would love a new owner, but its not likely to happen, so why complain when it wont happen. Plus San Diego is not that large of a market compared to some others, it ranks 17th in metro population, which includes the entire county. On the other hand Boston Ranks 10th, but doesnt include Providence, which is far closer to Boston the the outer reaches of San Diego County.

BigPadresfan: A player is eligible for the Rule 5 draft 4 years after being drafted out of high school, or 3 years out of college.

Bigpadresfan

Do you have a link for the cubs top ten prospects by baseball america?

bigpadrespipedreaming2009 you compare reimold to bay then say a fair deal would be him and a pitcher for greene and then you turn around and think the dodgers would give up kershaw within the division

"Orioles should send:
Padres get: Riemold and a pitcher
for
Orioles get:Khalil Greene"

BigPadresfan2009: why would the O's trade a pretty good outfield prospect who as you said compares to Jason Bay for Kahil Greene?? Greene is not a great SS, offensivly or defensely. Plus he makes $6.5 million and is only under contract for next year.They wouldn't give up Olsen for Greene, why would they trade Riemold and a pitcher?? Maybe add Kyle Blanks to the deal and the O's would talk.

Thanks bigpadresfan I had seen that already I havent seen the new one though. I guess I will just have to wait

"why would the O's trade a pretty good outfield prospect who as you said compares to Jason Bay for Kahil Greene?? Greene is not a great SS, offensivly or defensely. Plus he makes $6.5 million and is only under contract for next year.They wouldn't give up Olsen for Greene, why would they trade Riemold and a pitcher?? Maybe add Kyle Blanks to the deal and the O's would talk."

maybe your right Steveo26, I think this would be the trade:
Padres get:Riemold and Daniel Cabera
for
Orioles get:Khalil Greene and Kyle Blanks

i dunno, maybe i don't understand.

if the owner doesn't care about you........

NO BIGPADRESFAN, NO!

I am tired of the Peavy stuff. Lets get it done so ALL parties can move on and get ready for the meetings.

I see the Cubs getting Peavy.

Cubs get: Scott, Peavy
O's get: Marshall, Pie
Pads get: Olson, Harden (yes, Rich Harden), Fontenot, Vitters, and Hoffpauir

seeing this is the only active thread, and i am bored/little drunk...any chance anyone wants to talk about the red sox? maybe some crazy sox/padres deal?

i wouldnt doubt if the padres keep peavy, i know the payroll needs to be lowered but i would keep peavy.

trade giles(make it worth his while)
trade greene for anything worth the time to fill out the paper work

keep peavy and deal him during the season

Boston belongs to me,

I think as a fan we would love a new owner, as we have seen this team slip, but also I remember the days of the firesale and Moores bought the team and saved it then. I respect when he has give to this area, and what it means in his rebuilding the club. So he will get my support anyways, been a Padres fan my whole life, wont bail out now. The only thing i want changed is Alderson, badly, that man has killed the SD system, problem is that he owns 2% of the team, so he can not be fired.

in the end, I would just keep Jake Peavy and try to trade Brian Giles and resign trevor then trade him kind of like Brett Farve

iowacubs you have yourself a deal

yeah i know buster said that, but towers is outside his mind.

this is why
Chad Billingsley would net more than peavy. hands down.

kershaw would be the starting point for roy halladay(still wouldnt do it)

it really pisses me off because frank mccourt rather build a effing shopping mall around the stadium than sign manny.

we have all the pieces coming into place, just no money

"resign trevor then trade him kind of like Brett Farve"

NOthing like brett favre and illegal in baseball. payroll must go down period so your hands are tied.