Third Team In Peavy Deal: Orioles?

Personally I think the Os need to deal Roberts. The extension talks are nice from a fan perspective, but doesn't make organizational sense talent-wise. The orioles need to Sell High on their quality veterans. Considering how much Giles fell when Roberts was first establishing himself until now with Utley's injury, Roberts might be the most consistent 2B in the majors now and the Orioles may have the best leadoff solution available.

Reading these trade ideas from Cubs fans...well i remember now why i hate 98 percent of them....those are some of the worst trade offers i ever heard...the o's would be getting hosed....i propose as a Cardinals fan a deal between the cards and the pads......Cards get Peavy wiht the pads eating half of his salary this year and Greene for David Freese( yes the one the pads traded for JImmy Edmonds...worked out great Towers...thanks for the steal) Brian Anderson, Jason Motte, Jess Todd and Tyler Greene

"enough with the pie marquis and greene for roberts and olson."

Thank you for saying it before I had to start ranting...

The Orioles are a team that despite appearances actually seems to want to produce in the future. A core of Jones, Markakis, and Weiters is an intersting start to an offense. Point being, they will not be a place where teams can dump useless players. Might as well make it a 5 team trade where Boston can give them Lugo as well and Detroirt can give them Robertson and Willis!

Last year the O's wanted a small army of prospects for Roberts... now they'll settle for a guy who MIGHT be better outside of Petco, a pitcher close to albatross stature, and a centerfield prospect who looks to be Corey Patterson take 2? Logic people. Logic.

Brian Roberts shouldn't be traded if I was O's gm I would not even try to trade Brian Roberts and try to extend his deal and help them

Being mistaken for a Cubs fan is too much to bear.

Orioles get Pie
Cubs get Peavy
Padres get Vitters-Olson-[Cubs Prospect]-[Thomas/Cedeno
]

"Orioles get Pie
Cubs get Peavy
Padres get Vitters-Olson-[Cubs Prospect]-[Thomas/Cedeno
]"

This is the same trade that I choose but I would get Sean Marshall or Hill and then Cedeno

I'm PO'd about this crap the more I think about it!! That threesome deal is NO better than the Braves offer.. I dare any of you "experts" to disagree with me!! Escobar/Morton/Hernandez/ and whatever the rest was should have gotten zit boy! If he sends him to the Cubs, Towers can take his sasqautch chest and...

BigPadresFan- DTogo-can u plz give me the website that Jim Callis says they are between 15-20 in the farm system?

When Baseball America updated its farm system rankings last March, the Padres were 13th of 30. And now?
“It's slipped a little, probably in the 16-20 range,” said Jim Callis, the magazine's executive editor.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081025/news_1s25padres.html

"which is the better prospect Vitters or Gorky Hernandez"

Vitters. By a lot.

Hernandez is a solid prospect that would probably come out as a B/B+ on a grading scale, but Vitters would likely grade out as an A-.

Hernandez is a good five tool prospect but his power tool isn't great and he's still a year or two away. He has the potential to be a very good hitter with speed in center field but scouts don't seem to believe that he has serious star potential.

Meanwhile, star potential has been attached to Vitters' name since he was 16. He was considered the best pure hitter in the 2007 draft, and did nothing to disprove that analysis in 2008. He projects as a solid 3B, but his huge offensive potential means he could likely move to first or left. He has unreal bat speed which enables him to make hard contact anywhere in the zone, and also gives him good power potential as well. Scouts really seem to think this guy has MVP quality offensive potential. He's still around 2 years off though, and has yet to play above A ball, but he won't turn 19 until August, and is definitely the superior prospect to Hernandez.

Responding back to all those SD Pads fans--I don't think the trade I'm suggesting is that awful.

Maybe the parts are interchangeable but IF they trade Peavy, SD has to have a trade that gives them something back. So let me revise my trade idea a bit....

Cubs get: Scott (why wouldn't they? they need a LH RF with power) and Peavy

Orioles get: Greene, Marquis (Cubs pay 6 mil of salary), Pie and Hoffpauir

Padres: get two prospects from the O's for Greene (as others have said on these postings. You decide--not familiar with the O's prospects), Olson, Fontenot, Vitters, Marshall and Wuertz/Gaudin

I think, though, that they deal hinges on two components--who will want to pick up Marquis and who will the Orioles trade for Greene?

I am not convinced that the Cubs can "salary dump" Marquis on one of these teams. That's why trading Harden (a big injury risk but with much more potential) is better.

No, 661 dodgerblue, while his era might low, he's not gonna pitch 200 innings before his arm falls off! Are you crazy? I watched a ton of Cubs games and at the end of the season, his velocity was WAY DOWN and the Cubs were basically nursing him causing major problems in the starting rotation. If Harden can be used to get Peavy, I'd much rather have Peavy.

Does anyone actually know what the Cubs' proposed package for Peavy is?

The Orioles need a shortstop so it makes sense for them to try & acquire K. Greene, but as far as I can tell, the Braves offer is still superior.

I agree with that, olson for pie straight up, but mainly due to all of the previous history between these three teams, roberts - cubs, greene - orioles, and so on, brings up all of these interesting ideas for what this three way deal could turn into...

Number 5:

Don't agree with you. The Os would take Hoffpauir. He's a 1B/DH by trade and the O's could also use him in RF. So I think your wrong, way wrong. As for compensation, the Cubs can't think that if they get Peavy, they can sign a player hotly contested as Ibanez because his demands are too high. That necessitates them getting a player like Scott.

As for Marquis being traded to the Os, that's what the Cubs will try to shop. I agree he's not what Baltimore would want. I've stated before that Harden should be part of this trade and postings here thought I was crazy. But if he were to go to the Os or Pads, that would sweeten the deal and make it more likely for a trade (especially if the Cubs pay for part of his contract).

As for the Os and Pads helping the Cubs get to the World Series.....ummm...that's what were doing in this trade. Come on.

By the way, I don't see this trade happening. Too many demands...too many moving parts.

Well, if it is the Orioles here... this might be interesting. Still, I don't expect anything to happen.

Facts: The Padres want pitching for Peavy, but also feel they need a young SS, are shopping Greene, and have been rumored to be shopping Kouzmanoff the past couple of years.

The Orioles want Felix Pie. They also need a solid SS, and have been linked to talks about Greene. They also have some solid LH bats that can play RF that the Cubs may find intriguing.

Finally, the Cubs... for whatever reason... have become the forerunners for Peavy. They have a couple of solid prospects, a could-be star CF, and a potential 3-5 starter that they might have available. They don't have the pitching prospects (or at least are perceived to not have them) that the Pads want for Peavy. Not sure if Baltimore's Olsen is the sort of pitching the Pads want. I don't know much about him... so I will assume he is for the sake of this here. The Cubs need a strong, middle-of-the-lineup LH bat (not a leadoff hitter). Brian Giles now has 5/10 rights, and has already vetoed a handful of trades that would take him from SD the past couple of years.

So, this is a basis of what I suspect will happen (if anything happens).

Cubs send Vitters, Marshall, Cedeno/Fontenot to SD... Pie, Veal, Wuertz (or the like) to the Orioles. Padres send Peavy to the Cubs... Greene to the Orioles. Orioles send Olsen to the Padres... Scott or Huff (Scott preferred) to the Cubs.

Of course, there could be a couple of other prospects moved about here and there. I have Veal in here, for the Orioles kept asking for him last year. It could be another pitching prospect in his place. I also think that there's a good chance that Marquis ends up moving in this as well... but at about half his salary cost.

"Cubs get: Scott (why wouldn't they? they need a LH RF with power) and Peavy

Orioles get: Greene, Marquis (Cubs pay 6 mil of salary), Pie and Hoffpauir

Padres: get two prospects from the O's for Greene (as others have said on these postings. You decide--not familiar with the O's prospects), Olson, Fontenot, Vitters, Marshall and Wuertz/Gaudin"

Iowacubs: you are not looking at it from an Orioles perspective. If Olsen is worth Pie, which is pretty well established. And the O's are for some reason sending 1 or 2 prospects for Greene (the O's refused to part with Olsen for Greene, so I don't think the return for Greene would be that high). Then you are saying Marquis and Hoffpauir = Scott and that is where the wheels come off the wagon.

Luke Scott who is under team control is worth more than Marquis who is a free agent after this season. Hoffpauir is not a top prospect, in fact he's not really a prospect at all. You can read Keith Law and Jim Callis and others and see that. He had a great year last year without a doubt but Scott has proven to be an above average corner outfielder. His defense is pretty good for leftfield as well. Also Scott is a very good platoon option, he does pretty well vs. righties with a 3 year average of .281/.365/.537, that is at the major league level. Hoffpauir had a great year last year at AAA and it was his 4th go around there. Hoffpauir can be a bench player but why would you trade a platoon/starter for a bench player and Marquis?

Sorry, I meant he can't hit offspeed stuff. Just think the Cubs should sign a player like Ibanez, then, and be done with it. If they can get Peavy, then it's going to be a steal.

"technically, charlie zink, jeff bailey and kevin cash all started, at one point, for the team who beat the "100 win team". so i'm not sure what your point is."

Funny, I have been wondering the same thing after reading almost all of your posts in this topic (what your point is, didn't seem like most of your entries had a point).