With Billingsley Hurt, Dodgers Eyeing Peavy?

Dodgers get:
Jake Peavy
Mike Lowell

Padres get:
Clay Buchholz
Scott Elbert
Manny Delcarmen
Blake DeWitt

Red Sox get:
Russel Martin

"Seriously. No injury to his pitching arm. The leg should very easily be ready by spring training."

Except that Bills has massive thighs. He also generates most of his power from his legs. This will, if nothing else, set him back in his conditioning program during the off season. Let's hope he strengthens his legs before he tries throwing, as that will lead to arm injuries.

If Lowell is healthy thats a pretty solid trade proposal. Bucholz and Delcarmen for Russell Martin ? Pretty good if you can get it.

Hey Tim, when are you going to do a Rule 5 preview ??? Thats comming up pretty soon.

Come on Theo never give it up that much talent for Martin. Send Bowden instead,of Bucholtz then ok. Also sign Teixeira first. Seen both Bowden and Bucholtz pitch in Double AA, believe me you will be glad to have kept Bucholtz.

"Except that Bills has massive thighs. He also generates most of his power from his legs. This will, if nothing else, set him back in his conditioning program during the off season. Let's hope he strengthens his legs before he tries throwing, as that will lead to arm injuries."

Hmm, didn't know that. Thanks for info. Would probably be smart to have Bills miss his first start or so of the season, but beyond that, I don't think Billingsley will be out long enough for that alone to warrant a Peavy trade though.

"spreading the Dodgers rotation thin as it stands"

... no pun intended?

Seriously though, there's certainly a good chance Peavy is traded, but to a division rival? How often does that kind of talent change hands in a division? Towers rightfully asked for a "package involving Billingsley," the Doders would certainly have to pay a premium.

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"Seriously though, there's certainly a good chance Peavy is traded, but to a division rival? How often does that kind of talent change hands in a division? Towers rightfully asked for a "package involving Billingsley," the Doders would certainly have to pay a premium."

Yes, and now Mr Broxton's name should start coming up much more often imagine and i beolieve he is more desireable and could bring in a lot in trade next year (or later on) in trades with other clubs. Broxton is young and one of the hardest throwers and dead-0n closers that should be closing have seen for quite some time.

Braves might be paying now for not wanting to give in and not giving up anything for Peavy now, the Dodgers really look like they need him now and will be more willing to give up Broxton than they were with a closer already on staff.

Ned Colletti: So whats it gonna take to get Jake Peavy?

Kevin Towers: Well, for starters.. Clayton Kershaw, Chad BIllingsly, Chin Ling Hu, James Mcdonald, Scott Elbert and Lambo

If anything this will only increase the dodgers need for CC, seeing as he wont cost them players.

I doubt Padres will trade Gonzalez. Gonzalez, Peavy, and Headley for Billingsley and Martin? Are you serious? Towers will be fired if he did that trade and I think many people will think so too.

Dodgers get:
Jake Peavy
Mike Lowell

Padres get:
Clay Buchholz
Scott Elbert
Manny Delcarmen
Blake DeWitt

Red Sox get:
Russel Martin

wooo hahaha. russel martin is not going anywhere except to bat 2 second for the dodgers.

i thought this stupid boston wet dream was over?

you guys really dont give enough credit to colletti. he has constantly repeated"we arent trading martin or any of the young core thats been in the majors fo a consistent amount of time" because its a break and could be serious enough to miss time, mccourt will open his checkbook and sign cc, manny, a ss(furcal or cabrea, to allow dejesus jr to deveolpe) and sign a 5th starter, johnson, to allow mcdonald expierence in the pen before joing the rotation at some point.
the dodgers are in pretty good position, a SMART gm who is smart about his players and a HOF manager in torre. now we just need a smart owner

I highly doubt this will have a major impact on the Peavy trade. Though it does go to show you that anything can happen and things change. But the Padres would ask a premium for a division rival, and I doubt that the Dodgers would pay the price.

Add to the fact that they expect him back for ST its kind of a mute point. But whoever said that Billingsley needs his legs is right, he generates his power from his legs, so keep that in mind if he isnt the same right away next year.

And why isn't he worth a top prospect ? It's not like the dude has had an ERA below 3 and unanimously won a Cy Young award in 07, right ?

I agree with 661dodgerblue. I'll settle for one year deals on Sheets and Randy Johnson,re-sign Furcal and Manny, and we'll be fine!

bigmac exactly,
why trade your young outstanding core for a pitcher who might turn into a 3.30 era guy which is great. but when you have to trade a pitcher who posted great numbers this year(bills) plus more players.
doesnt make sense.
i think peavy goes to braves still.

i think ned signs
randy johnson
manny
i really hope furcal
resign nomar to a utility role possibly playing 2nd
sign cruz to fill the hole left by saito, not to close but pitch the 7/8th innings
if cc wants to stay in the nl the dodgers are the favorites.
then trade pierre for something, he should start somewhere hes good for 162 games 180 hits and 50 stolen bases.

with dewitt at 2b*

at 3b

"furcal-13m/4yrs"

You are going to pay Furcal 4/13? I hope Dodgers will have fun with that offer.

"manny-19m/yr"

Dodgers already offered him $22.5 million a year.

"manny-19m/yr"

Dodgers already offered him $22.5 million a year.

yes, but no one seems to have contacted manny or boras. they pulled the offer but want to continue negotiations.if no one steps in and the dodgers offer 19m, boras will need to accept. its not like manny is 20 again and can say hell play in japan or something for a year. he's 36 and will prob take the highest contract.

"furcal-13m/4yrs"

You are going to pay Furcal 4/13? I hope Dodgers will have fun with that offer.

it was a guess, based on him saying he wont accept 3 yrs. id like to see a 4/13per contract, with the dodgers being able to buy it out and not be responible after the first year if he hurts his ankle or back again.

"some people feel that a lugo for pierre deal could happen. i personally think furcal is better and will help more, but a NL stint for lugo couldnt hurt him"

lugo was in the nl and stunk with the dodgers no less, and then he turned 280 abs with tb into that stupid deal with boston.

all i was saying is the nl west is easier on a hitter than the al east, so a tour of the nl west COULD help, but not neccesisarily help

"GM Kevin Towers is asking for young pitching and lots of it, particularly from the Dodgers, with whom they share the NL West. So, assume Towers is going for two or three pitchers from a pool including Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton and James McDonald, or two of them and a young position player such as Matt Kemp."
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okay well its safe to say he will not be coming to the dodgers.

""GM Kevin Towers is asking for young pitching and lots of it, particularly from the Dodgers, with whom they share the NL West. So, assume Towers is going for two or three pitchers from a pool including Clayton Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton and James McDonald, or two of them and a young position player such as Matt Kemp."

Trading even one of Billingsley or Kershaw is a fireable offense. Actually, it should be the signature on Ned Colletti's pink slip.

"Cheaper alternative....ship Juan Pierre and a prospect to the White Sox for Javier Vazquez. If the Dodgers have to eat some salary then so be it. Pierre would give the Sox some speed at the top of the lineup and is a better alternative over Anderson anyways. Its a win/win for both teams IMO"

i like that alot actually. how many years does javy have left?

"Trading even one of Billingsley or Kershaw is a fireable offense. Actually, it should be the signature on Ned Colletti's pink slip."

yeah youre telling me.
towers would ask "are you sure?!"

Pierre has "$10 million each in 2009 and 2010, and $8.5 million in 2011." according to ESPN. Seems like an even swap to me....

Bear0930pg thank you for the info

the more you think about this article the dumber it sounds.

the dodgers have lost a lot of pitching depth.. so TRADE away two or three of your pitchers and recieve one.

trade one who gave you 200 innings plus a top 5 prospect plus more! for a guy who averages 210 innings..
and isnt the same pitcher outside of SD

And, you can make a case for Kershaw being worth as much as Peavy.

Hell, I'd wander off on a limb and say that Clayton's equal to Peavy in terms of value.

melonis,

exactly you dont trade up and coming talent like the dodgers have for a one arm.

i wonder if KW would make that deal though, i know Ned would.

Ugh. Sorry about my last post including Swisher. I have been out of the country and didn't see that news until after the post.

"Pierre wants to start and Vazquez would prefer West Coast."

This is false. Vazquez does NOT like the West Coast. In fact, he demanded a trade from the Diamondbacks to a more East Coast team after the 2005 season. I'm not sure, but he may have a partial NTC, and if he does, it includes West Coast teams.
As for the talk about Sheets being injured all the time, Sheets pitched 141.3 and 198.3 innings the past two seasons. His ERA+ was 117 and 139. Compare that to Derek Lowe who pitched 199.3 and 211 and had an ERA+ of 118 and 131 over the past two seasons. While Sheets may pitch fewer innings, he'd be perfect to take Lowe's roster spot. Also, for as "brittle" as Sheets was, Hiroki Kuroda only pitched 183.3 innings last season.
For the off season, I'd love to see these moves by Ned:
1. Sign Manny to 3 years/$69 mil. + $25 mil vesting option.
2. Sign Furcal to 3 years/$39 mil. + dual option for a fourth year ($500K player opt out/$3 mil. team opt out)
3. Sign Sheets for 3 year/ $45 mil.
4. Sign Randy Johnson for 1 year/ $8 mil.
5. Trade Pierre to White Sox or Reds for relief pitching or projectable minor leaguers that could be the next Cory Wade. Or Bronson Arroyo if he's available.
6. Sign Orlando Hudson to 4 year/$40 mill.
7. Make Blake DeWitt the starting 3B.
8. Resign Nomar to 1 year/$5 mil. as super-sub utility infielder.

This would give us one of the top infield defenses in baseball. DeWitt and Nomar could platoon at 3rd. Our outfield would be phenomenal with Manny, Kemp and Ethier, with Andruw Jones ready for spot duty if he can prove in Winter Ball he can hit (and would be a wonderful bat against AL teams as we shift Manny to DH, Jones to CF, Kemp to RF and Ethier to LF).
Pitching rotation:
1. Ben Sheets
2. Chad Billingsley
3. Hiroki Kuroda
4. Clayton Kershaw
5. Randy Johnson
Injury replacement starters:
6. Jason Schmidt
7. James McDonald

Bullpen:
Jonathan Broxton
Hong-Chih Kuo
Cory Wade
Scott Elbert
Scott Proctor
(James McDonald when not starting)
Ramon Troncoso

DodgersBruin, those deals would make them a good team, but the chances of that all happening are nil. So the number 1 rated outfield, the number 1 rated 2b, the number 1 rated SS and a top 5 pitcher on the market all take deals with the same club. Not likely. Other teams are going to go hard after some of those players, like the A's/Giants for Furcal.
Its a nice dream, but its a dream. Realistically they have could maybe sign two of those players, say Sheets and Manny.

And Randy Johnson isn't a stretch to sign since he went to college in LA, has a history with Torre, and I believe has expressed interest in coming to the Dodgers now that the Diamondbacks have refused to offer him a contract.

If the Dodgers were able to move Pierre without picking up any salary and if they made my signings, the payroll next season would be around $135MM. This would include the $15M to Schmidt and $21M to Jones. Also, with Manny, Furcal and Sheets on 3 year deals and Hudson on a 4 year deal, it's not like the Dodgers couldn't backload a couple of the deals by one year. Say Manny gets $18M this season and $26M each of the last two seasons, along with Furcal getting $10M this season and $15 the last two seasons. That would lower payroll enough that the Dodgers shouldn't have any problems. And the Dodgers wouldn't have to dip back into the free agent market next season because they'd have all starting position players back (Andruw Jones would be the only player gone) as well as their top 4 SPs back (losing Schmidt and Randy Johnson), but allowing them to slide James McDonald into the #5 spot full time for 2010.
The Dodgers had a $120MM payroll this past season, and while it would go up slightly this season, with essentially the same team in 2010, the payroll would drop $48M with Jones, Schmidt, Nomar and Johnson coming off the payroll.
Before the 2011 season, Kuroda's contract would be up freeing another $11M or so.
Even with arbitration eligible younger players, over the next 3 seasons the Dodgers could have payroll around $135M, $100M and $110M. This team would make the playoffs all 3 years and would be in great shape to win the World Series in at least one of those three years.

I love what Sheets does when he's on the mound. I think he's a steal at $15M a year for 150 innings. He's dominant in those innings and if you can put him on the DL in July or August so he's healthy for the playoffs, it's perfect. I also think that if Hudson can maintain a .350 OBP while providing GG defense he's worth $10M for 4 years.
I think if McCourt is really interested in winning the World Series, or even getting to the playoffs every year so he can maximize profits for the club he'll sign these players instead of throwing money at CC Sabathia. With Logan White's ability to draft the Dodgers have an endless supply of pitchers coming up through the ranks that can fill in for any short term in season injuries that could make the next 3 years special.

"Ugh. I, and the plus/minus people, have apparently watched Pierre more than you have."

I've seen every Dodger game over the past 5 years. And the one play that I think epitomizes Pierre's defense was opening day 2007 against the Brewers. Corey Hart hit a shallow ball that dropped for a hit. Pierre backed up originally, then raced forward, the ball landing no more than 50 feet from the infield dirt. Still, Hart was able to turn this bloop single into a double based off Pierre's initial reaction to the ball and his noodle arm.
You can cite the plus/minus system all you want. Pierre is not a good defensive outfielder.

DodgersBruin is annointed the new Dodger GM if he completes his deals. The only part that would concern me is the 3yr deal to Sheets, I think I would rather have Lowe if it's going to be a multi-year deal.

As the new GM...Promise that you will never bring back Julio Lugo!!