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Today is free agent Orlando Hudson's 31st birthday and the 29th birthday of Garrett Atkins, the subject of many recent trade rumors.
Also, on this date 10 years ago, Kevin Brown became the first player to sign a contract worth at least $100MM, when he signed a seven-year/$105MM contract with the Dodgers. The deal came when Brown was 34, one season after going 18-7 with a 2.38 ERA. Brown's first two seasons with the Dodgers (18-9, 3.00 and 13-6, 2.58) were solid, but he would only make 29 starts in years three and four combined. Since then, two pitchers have signed deals for at least six years. Mike Hampton and Barry Zito. That doesn't bode well for C.C. Sabathia, but it's a small sample size...With the winter meetings now wrapped up, let's take a look at what is being said in the Blogosphere...
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Lars Anderson is a pretty big deal. if we can wait a year, it would be worth the wait, save two hundred million and pretty much get the same thing.
Posted by: 04Forever | December 12, 2008 at 11:58 AM
No love for Johan Santana and his 6 year $137.5MM deal last year. I know he wasn't a free agent but it's still a 6 year deal.
Posted by: Superman | December 12, 2008 at 11:59 AM
"Since then, two pitchers have signed deals for at least six years. Mike Hampton and Barry Zito."
Don't forget Mike Mussina signed a 6 year deal that same winter Hampton did. That one turned out pretty well.
Posted by: yanksfan | December 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I am nitpicking here, but the Mets really only added 5 years to his previous deal and as you pointed out he wasn't a free agent.
They did give him more money in the first year, so you technically it was a six year deal.
Posted by: Cork Gaines | December 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM
I did forget about Mussina. Good call.
Posted by: Cork Gaines | December 12, 2008 at 12:04 PM
I have to completely agree. If Lars Anderson is being considered our "untouchable" prospect, then why would we shell out all this money for Tex?
Anderson is home grown which will make him as popular as Dpeds has become, and Tex will hurt the pockets of the Sox.
My opinion: Add an outfielder, possibly a utility infielder (to let Lowrie develop better), Trade Lugo for pitching prospects (this could help solve the pitching crisis in 2010 as the article said about the Red Sox) and get Buchholz, Masterson and Bowden ready to go for next season.
I wanted Tex at first but after reading about this Lars kid I think we've got something here and it would be a bad idea to shun him for a big money player.
Posted by: Ben | December 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM
waiting for lars to not sign tex is stupid!
i hate this idea. there's no guarantee that lars becomes the player we all hope and dream he will become.
and if he does he'll have a nice cozy spot at DH when we no longer have a use for david ortiz.
Posted by: EWS1532 | December 12, 2008 at 12:09 PM
how does adding a utility infielder help lowrie develop?
jed is going to develop playing everyday.. not watching someone else play.
Posted by: EWS1532 | December 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM
The problem is that Ortiz is going south. Sure last year was only 1 season and he could turn it around but he is not getting any younger. Tex is the first baseman of the future. This isn't about next year or the year after but looking 3-5 yrs down the road. Teixeira keeps the heart of the order in tact for the future. Lars is no sure shot and Ortiz might have seen his best days pass him by. The Sox have plenty of pitching now and for the future.
The OF is set with Bay, Drew, and Ellsbury. They need a 4th OF is all.
Posted by: celtics464 | December 12, 2008 at 12:12 PM
"when we no longer have a use for david ortiz."
thats nice, lets just throw out the best clutch hitter baseball has ever scene when his numbers dip because of a wrist injury.
Posted by: 04Forever | December 12, 2008 at 12:13 PM
04F - i said when.. not tomorrow.
and please spare me with the clutch BS.
Posted by: EWS1532 | December 12, 2008 at 12:17 PM
EWS,
I agree.
Lets break things down.
2009 - Tex/Youk/Ortiz
2010 - Tex/Youk/Ortiz with Lars a September callup
Now we get into 2011 where things start to change. Ortiz has an club option which the Sox could decline if they feel Anderson is ready to be a DH in his first full season.
So now in 2011, it becomes Anderson/Tex/Youk
2012 - (4th year into Teixeiras contract when he is now 32) the Red Sox can start to split time at 1B and DH between Anderson/Tex. They would do this because they still are likely to have 3+ years invested in Teixeira and they need to ensure he stays healthy the entire time.
Fast forward to 2014 or 2015. After several years of Tex and Anderson splitting duties at DH/1B, Teixeira becomes a free agent and Anderson is roughly at his prime of 28yrs old. (ala, Teixeira today).
Sox re-up Anderson long term and let Teixeira go.
Obviously this is using a crystal ball to theorize all this however, the only year in which there might be some overlap is 2011 if the Sox were to take the option on Ortiz.
Otherwise, in 2010 the Red Sox simply wouldn't call up Anderson until mid year anyways b/c they wouldn't want to start his arbitration and Free Agency clock any earlier then this.
Come mid 2010 if the Sox want to give Anderson a shot then they will also be able to better evaluate whether or not to keep Ortiz in 2011.
Posted by: KangarooBoxer26 | December 12, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Lowrie will be able to develop better because the pressure on him to excel at such a young age day in and day out will be tough for him. When he's in a slump, they can pull him out of the lineup for a few days and work with him and his problems.
Not to mention that bringing in an experienced infielder can help him with the developing process.
Posted by: Ben | December 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
True, you make a valid point, thanks for clearing it up.
Posted by: Superman | December 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
fine, the best dh ever and one of the better team home run hitters
Posted by: 04Forever | December 12, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Kangaroo, if those plans worked out I'd be 100% in for Tex. But it's not guaranteed that will happen.
And who said Anderson wants to play DH? Not many 25 year old kids when they are just beginning their prime years will want to sit in the dugout and only bat 3 times a game.
Posted by: Ben | December 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM
"thats nice, lets just throw out the best clutch hitter baseball has ever scene when his numbers dip because of a wrist injury."
Hahahaha.
"fine, the best dh ever and one of the better team home run hitters"
Ken Griffey Jr. is one of the best CF in the history of the game, I certainly don't see you clammoring over someone going out and signing him.
I'm sure if they wanted to go with Lars, they could still get a good bounty for Ortiz if he is healthy this year. If they want to stay with Papi, I'm sure Lars will fetch a HUGE return and could net them a big player somewhere else that is of need (SS if Lowrie doesn't pan out?).
If it was any other team but New York or Boston I'd say go Lars and stay away from Teix, but hell why not?
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | December 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM
"And who said Anderson wants to play DH? Not many 25 year old kids when they are just beginning their prime years will want to sit in the dugout and only bat 3 times a game."
I'm pretty sure if he has the choice between DHing for Boston or playing first for Pawtucket, he'll take the first.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | December 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Ken Griffey is going to be 40 years old, Ortiz is only 33. Griffey should retire, he made 600, there is no way in hell he makes it to 700, which is why the reds kept him so long last year anyway
Posted by: 04Forever | December 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM
ben - how did lowrie do this year handling "pressure to perform?"
he's fine. he's going to be fine.
i mean, they are going to sign a utility infielder anyway (unless they use iggy suarez ala cesar crespo) but either way... it wont have much impact on his development.
thats why they have coaches.
Posted by: EWS1532 | December 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM
04F - bill james will tell you that david ortiz is exactly the type of player to decline in an extremely quick fashion.
Posted by: EWS1532 | December 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM
EWS
True but we could always use the depth regardless.
I was just looking at the free agents in 2010. I say forget Lowe and Burnett and make a run at Webb in 2010. That could always be an option.
Posted by: Ben | December 12, 2008 at 12:39 PM
i will agree with EWS that Lowrie will be fine, but Lugo has to go first. Technically he doesnt have the everyday starter job yet and it seems every deal for Lugo hits a wall at some point. Lowrie showed he has what it takes. hes better defensively then Lugo and sadly offensively.
Posted by: 04Forever | December 12, 2008 at 12:40 PM
I'm excited about Lars Anderson, as well, but this comparison to Teixeira is ludicrous. Yes, Anderson has a good work ethic, is intelligent, and is putting up very good numbers at a very young age. That said, he's also compiled fewer than 1,000 minor-league ABs. In that time, his OPS is still lower than Teixeira's major-league OPS, without even factoring in the significant learning curve between AA and the major leagues. Anderson also has difficulty with off-speed stuff, leading to a high strikeout rate. This can be improved, but suggests that he may be a few years away from contributing meaningfully.
Teixeira has proven that he can put up a 1.000+ OPS RIGHT NOW. For chicks who dig the long-ball, Teixeira has 30-40 HR range.
Finally, Anderson's fielding does not track to rival Teixeira's at this early stage in his career.
Teixeira IS what Anderson PROJECTS to be with a bit of fairy dust and a lot of sunshine and rainbows. The Red Sox certainly consider the future when making short-term decisions, but they're not a team that punts on slick-fielding power bats simply because they have a young guy who, if all goes as hoped, may provide similar offensive production at a lower cost several years down the road.
If you believe in win shares at all, the Red Sox need to anticipate a step back from a couple pitchers (even with a step up from Beckett), and will need to make up the wins the Yankees have gained somewhere.
The only members of the Red Sox lineups who are not question marks are Pedroia and Youkilis. Bay is a relatively safe bet, but at much lower production than Manny provided at his peak. Lowrie, Lowell, Ortiz, Drew, Ellsbury, catcher... all legitimate question marks for 2009. Teixeira is one of the few free-agents whose history suggests he could hold up over the long-term, while also providing immediate impact.
Lars Anderson is still a lottery ticket.
Posted by: DunkinDonuts | December 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Bill James projected this for Papi next year
David Ortiz: .288/.396/.570 with 37 HR, 39 2B, 119 RBI in 539 AB
i dont see the problem...
Posted by: 04Forever | December 12, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Bill James projected this for Papi last year:
David Ortiz -
.298/.407/.587, 109 R, 40 HR, 130 RBI
He also projected this for Ellsbury:
Jacoby Ellsbury - .320/.374/.436, 78 R, 5 HR, 46 RBI, 42 SB
And this for Varitek:
Jason Varitek - .253/.349/.418, 60 R, 17 HR, 70 RBI
He was right about one thing... Ellsbury had quite a few steals.
Posted by: DunkinDonuts | December 12, 2008 at 01:00 PM
04F - what's wrong with you?
i'm not talking about next year and you'd be surprised as anyone if lars was ready to be in boston next year.
the issue is the year after and the year after etc.. etc..
and ortiz's player profile.. his skillset.. is the type that when the player starts to decline they fall off the mountain. it happens fast.
so my point is you're being short-sighted to want to pass on tex (a proven commodity) for 1) a guy who is 21 and 2) a guy on the backend of his career. i'm not suggesting ortiz will be a slug next year or even the year after.
what im saying is 3-5 years from now this team is better with teixeira than without.
Posted by: EWS1532 | December 12, 2008 at 01:07 PM
please guys...for you saying we should not sign the best hitting free agent for the next 5 years is rediculous. We need to sign Tex, and when Ortiz is out of gas, you bring up Lars...wats the problem?
Posted by: Soxfan017 | December 12, 2008 at 01:11 PM
Who ever wrote that story in the link about the red sox needing to sign pitching is dead wrong. yes, dice-k and beckett are free agents after 2010 and buccholz hit a road block last year. but where is he being used as trade bait? i dont see that anywhere except for with texas. But this guy misses the fact that the red sox are the red sox. And they spend money. I bet they will re-sign Dice-k. Not so sure about Beckett however. But thats besides the point How about Justin Masterson? Or Michael Bowden? At this point in time, the most pressing need for the red sox is hitting. Right now and for the future. You can't rely on Lars Anderson to be able to succeed David Ortiz. Those would be ridiculous and unrealistic expectations. Teixeira, being 28 and his prime, having shined in the playoffs and being the idealic baseball player( in the clubhouse, stellar defense, stellar offense, and other intangibles) is the player to get for the red sox. i would love to see him get 8 years. I would have no problem with that at all. A lineup with ortiz, bay, teixeira, youkilis, and mvpedroia would be unreal. That guy needs to get a clue.
p.s. Since when is Derek Lowe a "Stud". he is 35. get a clue
Posted by: Mark | December 12, 2008 at 01:24 PM
you told me about bill james, so i ran the numbers, if i ever meet him ill ask him what he thinks about his career stat projection but sadly he doesnt have that any where posted i could find. from my point of view, the only reason we are talking about this is because of ortiz's bad year because of his wrist, if someone said that we should plan to replace a 32 year old ortiz at the end of the 07 season after the numbers he put up, that person would look like a complete moron. if ortiz hit 300 again with 30 homers, we wouldnt be having this conversation right now, but since he got hurt we are, and now that he has had time to rest and regain confidence, and im sure we will see it in the WBC, then everyone will be back on his side, except for me, cause im already with him. Lars Anderson is not even CLOSE to a proper replacement for ortiz anyway, and considering Albert Puljos will be a free agent around the time your talking about, dont you think that is the road we would take instead of Anderson? I agree to disagree with you, i respect your opinion but when you said "no longer have a use for", you kind of set me off, sorry
Posted by: 04Forever | December 12, 2008 at 01:34 PM
I think that long post by DunkinDonuts did a great job explaining the rationale in signing Tex. As far as free agents go, he's about as perfect as you can get. He's young, a great hitter, a gold glove defender, comes with no real red flags, and has a skill set that makes any significant decline over the next 6-8 years seem unlikely. He might no provide as much "bang for your buck" as other free agents, but he will likely provide more wins than any other free agent available and that's what should be most important to a team with Boston's budget.
Posted by: nixa37 | December 12, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Bill James is a pretty smart guy, but the arguments you make (except for Ortiz declining quickly, which I'll agree with) are kind of foolish.
"Jacoby Ellsbury - .320/.374/.436, 78 R, 5 HR, 46 RBI, 42 SB"
Ok, so he underprojected homers, runs, RBI, and SB, and missed out on his splits by 25-40 points, which is pretty good in estimating a player in his first full-time season. Likewise with Varitek, there were a number of tangible details such as his divorce, minor injury, and so forth.
That aside, I agree that moving on Tex is a good idea. Papi will likely decline in the next 2-3 years, which is when Lars will be developing into a monster (if all goes to plan). We also keep Tex out of the hands of the EvilEmpire as well as the Halos who we seem to hit in the playoffs every year.
Furthermore, because he's not a Mo Vaughn at 1b, we can, as mentioned above, platoon him on the field if the wear and tear of the summer starts to rear its ugly head in September.
Posted by: do0rdieSox | December 12, 2008 at 03:01 PM