Giants, Rangers Talking Blalock?

They can easily work out a package if San Francisco is reasonable. Texas could close any deal with their depth.

Jenks to the Giants for Villalona, Lewis, and alderson. just a suggestion. anyone?

There's no way the Giants would do that either. Beyond Alderson, Bumgarner, and Sosa, the Giants don't have much to talk about in the ways of MiLB pitching talents.

Sanchez for Blalock and Blake Beavan would be huge, considering that lack of depth. If not Beavan, as he is now likely a top-five organizational prospect, they could look at a Neil Ramirez or Kasey Kiker.

What would you all think of a Reds-Giants swap:

3B Edwin Encarnacion for P Jonathan Sanchez

Who wins that? I think it's a fair deal.

Encarnacion projects to end up either at first base or left field based on his range and poor throwing mechanics, so that would not serve the Giants well. It doesn't make much sense to forgo a young pitcher with upside for a short-term fix.

"Jenks to the Giants for Villalona, Lewis, and alderson. just a suggestion. anyone?"

Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

Pass on Blalock.

The guy has only played 123 games in the past two seasons. Big injury risk.

Oh yeah his home/road splits butt ugly.

Away
.244 .299 .402
Home
.306 .375 .531

Matt Cain for Blalock and either Teagarden or Saltalamacchia would work.

Giants could do much better for Cain if he was available, which he is not.

This T.R. Sullivan fellow is no bueno.

Why would they want Ankiel or Ludwick? Ankiel is gonna be a FA after this year and is going on 30. Ludwick is under control for a few more years but will be 31 and seems pretty unlikely to repeat those numbers. Esp. without Pujols protecting him in the lineup.

When I think about it the Rangers and Giants don't match up.

Both teams are going younger and value their prospects and draft picks as the best way of rebuilding their teams for contention in 2010.

I think Sanchez for Davis would be plenty fair and close in regards to the unknown. Equally I don't know much about the Rangers farm system, but Davis only has 80 MLB games in, batting .285, with 17 dingers, and 55 driven in, and striking out 88 times. Decent half season. Sanchez spent his 06 and 07 partly in AAA and bouncing back and forth between the bullpen and rotation, but has 250 career ip, and 252 K's. He has nasty stuff when hi's right and good mound presence. So he is still learning how to pitch in the rotation and in general. So don't put Davis up too high and mighty yet.

Since the Giants are going with youth, would somthing like this work Sanchez, Soto, Bowker for Chris Davis???

And he had a higher K/9 than Johan Santana, Cole Hamels, and Ryan Dempster. He had the same K/9 as CC Sabathia. Obviously he's not as good as those pitchers as he lacks control. But he misses bats with the best of them.

So Davis who's numbers over a full year would be .285-34-111 with an .880 OPS is roughly worth Jonathan Sanchez and his 5.01 ERA?? Davis's number make him a premier power hitter, Sanchez is like a 5th starter. Ok he averages a K an inning, so what I care more about getting people out before giving up runs.

I don't think anyone has the nerve to be down on Sanchez and not mention Blalock and his often-injured self. Comparing him to Homer Bailey isn't very fair considering they are two different pitchers with different styles. And Bailey has been anything but impressive for his short MLB career so far outside of a very limited sample. What's the difference between them that gives Bailey the edge?

As far as Daniel Dorn is concerned, pass on him. His value is largely based on scouts' hope for his growth potential while his stats have not backed up the hype yet. And at this point, with Bruce, Votto, Dickerson, Hopper, and others clogging the outfield situation, Dorn is buried.

Chris Davis, to me, will be sold very high without much of an MLB resume to back it up. He hit 40 HR, 128 RBI, and 44 2B across three levels this season but his BABIP was off the charts as were his home field stats. Waiting a season or two on Davis before we peg him as the truly outstanding player he seems to be would be wise.

Pass on Blalock unless its for another injury prone pitcher like Lowry along with Tashner.

Oh, and you can't use Davis' minor league stats and compare them to Sanchez. Yeah, and I'm sure if Sanchez pitched in AA and AAA this year he would have posted ungodly numbers as well.

first off im a DIE HARD GIANTS fan..
second,"Sanchez ranked #9 this year in ALL of baseball for the highest swinging strike %."SO WHAT?HE DOSN'T WIN GAMES hes NEVER had DOUBLE DIGIT wins,and his life time ERA is way over 4.00..when talking about a guy like SANCHEZ u have to rate him based on potential..but the fact of the matter is he could potentially be nothing..hes proven he can strike people out,he hasn't proven he can win..
i say make the sanchez for cantu or EE trade...sanchez is being over valued in my eyes trade em while hes hot..

and CC to the GIANTS can happen..cmon Deric dont crush my hopes and dreams lol

cobweb: he doesn't miss enough of them is the point. Yes he has average a K per inning for his career he's also averaged a hit per inning and a walk every other inning. Stiking some on out after you have already allowed 3 runs is not a great skill. Whether he lacks control or not is not the issue, the issue is his effectivness as a pitcher which up until now he has not been that effective. As for the thought that well he's still young and could get better, he's 26 years old and doesn't eat innings. Not what I'd call a sure thing.

Now i'm not saying he's not valuable, my teams are the O's and the Nats either one could use him (esp. the O's) but a top prospect like Nolan Riemold for him is not a good deal for the O's b/c Sanchez doesn't project as a top of the rotation starter.

"first off im a DIE HARD GIANTS fan.."

you must be one of those "diehard" Giants fans that doesn't actually pay attention to the Giants, or baseball in general. if you did, you would know that Sanchez has never had double digit wins because he's mostly been f'd with by management and not used as a starter, thrown around between the minors and the bigs, sometimes being used as a starter but mostly kept in the 'pen until last year.

cobweb: are you serious? I dont know what i'm talking about. Your main point for Sanchez's success is his swing strike %. That is the worst cherry picking of stats I've ever heard. I never used Davis's minor league stats, I used his half year of major league stats. I also am using what most people know and that is that Chris Davis is a premium power prospect and Sanchez is just a solid starter. I really don't understand what I have said that is so offensive. I am giving Sanchez more credit than his numbers warrent. You are the one saying that Davis who lets be honest has had success, albiet over a small sample, in the majors is just as valuable as someone who has struggled over a larger sample size? Where is the logic in that?

he's definitely a question mark, but teams are valuing sanchez highly because of what he's capable of, and because he's a hard-throwing lefty, which is a rarity and a luxury to have in the rotation. and i think teams are valuing him highly because they believe his second half melt-downs were due to the stress of all the extra innings after being jerked around so much in the previous seasons and in the minors. but sanchez showed flashes of brilliance last season, and i think most teams feel those flashes of brilliance are going to happen more often as he gets used to starting every 5th day.

basically, he's a question mark, but a pitcher with the kind of stuff he's got, as well as being a flame-throwing lefty, make him very valuable until proven otherwise, really. and he's definitely more valuable potential-wise, and contract-wise, than anybody in the vein of blalock.

you just don't trade away high-celing, young pitchers unless you get a better-than-good return.

i respect that lrs77..im just saying we need POWER more than a #5 starter with potential..ill take a PROVEN 277 hitter how has put up 29 hr's and 95 rbi's in a season (im talking about cantu)..its not that i want to get rid of sanchez,cuz i dont..but if trading him for a 3rd basemen who puts up numbers is what has to be done so be it

Oh, and Sanchez was on BA's Top 50 prospect list a couple years back, and has been considered by BA, Keith Law, and Baseball Prospectus among others to have the potential of a top-of-the-rotation starter. Control is the only thing holding him back.

ok, so lets examine the Reds-Giants trade thoroughly.

Reds Recieve-

Sanchez: High profile lefty. Great stuff. High K ratio. Reds need a lefty.

Winn: Reds need a CFer, and a leadoff hitter, really badly.

Giants Recieve-

Encarnacion: Had an off year last year, but I think he will hit .260-.280 with 30 HRs, which the Giants could defiantly use.

Bailey: High upside pitcher. Giants could work with him.

Dickerson: Flashed some brilliance, and is a good prospect. Giants could use him in Left of Center.

lrs77: The problem with that though is Sanchez did hit a wall a MAJOR wall in July 90 innings into the season. Thats not exactly where you'd expect fatigue to set in. The problem with Sanchez is that he's not been able to stand up to the rigors of starting for a full year. You have to see that as a major warning sign. Exactly how valuable is a pitcher who is only effective for the first 100 innings of the season? 158 innings is still his career high, it will take another 3 years before you could stretch him out to 200 innings.

i really think the giants(not me) want a defensive 3rd baseman to play next to the old man at SS

Renteria is fine defensively, and EE can actually use his glove.

Question:

Why does eveyone think the Giants have pitching to spare? Throwing around Jonathan Sanchez's name like they need to get rid or him. They only have 4 starters as it is and no one in the upper minors worth a damn.

If they trade Sanchez that leaves them with Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain and Barry Zito.

"No, if you read my post correctly, which you did not obviously, you would have realized I was merely correcting your misinformed statement. I'm not trying to say Sanchez is a great or even good pitcher right now...I'm pointing out however that he strikes guys out and induces swings and misses better than most pitchers in the game. That's my point. That's it. Finished. Done. El fin."

I love how you say 'that's it. Finished. Done. El fin.' then add two more posts. How can you possibly say that i 'obviously' didn't read your comment?? Are you at my computer or am I?? Trust me when I say I read your comments. I read your statements saying I don't know what i'm talking about yet you can't refute the points that I make? So obviously I must know a little bit of what I am talking about. I read your comments about my misinformed statements but I was in the right I don't think anyone would say averaging a hit per inning pitch would count as 'missing bats'. Saying Jonathan Sanchez misses bats is almost as bad as saying Daniel Cabrera misses bats. Pitching is about run pervention not strikeouts. As for you talking about BA's rankings here is what they said about Sanchez going into the 2007 season :
" Background: Sanchez profiles as a quality starter, but the Giants’ bullpen need was so acute that they moved him to short relief after three dominating Double-A starts last year. He was in the big leagues a few weeks later. He finished the year in the San Francisco rotation, though he was much more effective coming out of the bullpen."

quality starter does not equal top of the rotation starter.

lrs77: I never said Sanchez didn't have value but it is tempered. Sure other teams want 4 controlable years of Sanchez he could be a 3rd starter. But when you look at whats being offered guys like Cantu, Encarcion (maybe not offered offically), Blalock, you are talking about trading red flag for red flag. All those players have at least one major question mark, as does Sanchez.

As for adding innings, traditionally teams try to add no more than 20-25 innings a year. To build up further greatly increases the chances for injury. Given the fact that Sanchez def. struggled as his inning count went up I think it would be a stretch to imagine he would be able to go 180 this year. In all honesty until he proves he can pitch 150 innings effectively why would you burden him any further.

How can you say he doesn't miss bats when he misses more bats by definition of the term than most pitchers in the game? He misses the 9th most bats in the game...am I missing something here?

Steveo, you are right about Sanchez and the innings, which is why the Giants may end up keeping him this offseaason rather than fire-selling him low for a one-year contract player. Sanchez hit a wall when he went past about 120 innings, and would need to get himself effectively up to about 150 this year before maximizing his trade value next offseason.

The Giants' quandry is that they need corner infield power now to get them through the next several years until their own farm system can meet their needs, and other teams are willing to dangle one-year bats (Blalock and perhaps Beltre) and longer-term but underperforming defensive players (Cantu and E5) for Sanchez now.

So if you are Sabean, do you a) go ahead and cash in early on Sanchez and take a risk for a defensive question mark (Cantu, Blalock, or E5); b) load up a deal with Sanchez and other valuable pieces for one year of Beltre for what in essence would be a costly rental; or c) hold Sanchez and grow him into an effective #3 starter but lose the chance to add power at the corners?

move winn and molina and free up cash. trade for shoppach or teagarten. bring up posey and put him at third. he came to college as a ss. if he doesn't work out put bowker at first and move sandoval to third.then with the 15+ million they have saved they can get a few players or c.c. another pitcher mentioned as a no. 5 this year for the giants is pecutas. stay young and grow. put scherholz in right and give him a chance. there are always OF's somewhere.

From the recent article on sfgiants.com.

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It had been thought that the Giants would offer left-hander Jonathan Sanchez to try to acquire a hitter. But Sabean pointed out that Noah Lowry's uncertain status following forearm surgery makes Sanchez worth more to keep than to swap.

"With Lowry being a question mark, that tells you the value we have to place on Sanchez," said Sabean.

I think the poster means "Sosa" and not "Soto".

the problem with blalock is there is no guarantee of his health. and in the national league when he strains his shoulder he can't DH. So on that basis alone i would stay away from blalock. but if the rangers approached the giants with c. davis i would have to consider a trade. the benefit the giants have in sanchez is that everyone covets a starting left hander. i think this is an even trade. if i'm not mistaken davis hit alot better at home in that park then away. but his left handed bat is beneficial to giants stadium.

kdub, which is it. the giants want to get younger and they value their prospects, or they don't have anyone thats worth anything in the minors????????

the only thing i can tell you, is "potential" is a great word for raising the value of a player. and saying we cant part with sanchez is another.

i think he'll be traded by the time the season starts. if not its boom or bust by the end of the year for sanchez. they need hitting and pitching. might sign a f.a. pitcher before its done. and please dont get hermida, or blalock or e. encar. or cantu. bring up posey and stick him at third and see what he can do and save 5 million. trade winn for a catcher and molina for prospects or a pitcher or an OF. will have to eat some of winns $ but as you said we are rebuilding. thank God we are in a weak division and the giants owner is not going through a divorce.

giants should stay cheap this year. the economy is bad, they are lowering their ticket prices and most importantly the division is a weak one. i really don't think we should trade sanchez. we really dont have alot of extra pitching. so how can we get a corner infielder??????? we can move frandsen to third. we can put posey there and see how he does, since he came to college as a ss. we can trade winn but he only has a year left at 8+ mill. those are about the only options we have. i'm not high on trading one of our blue chip pitchers in the minors either. but if a trade is made remember that we have to give something to get something. i always love these trades where we give frandsen and velez for brian roberts. so when it comes down to it i'd rather keep sanchez because i'm afraid that we would end up with another 34 year old ball player that has a salary of 10m a year for the next three years. sabean has always had great love for old ball players like renteria. granted the pickins were slim. but he always scares me. i hope there is no blalock, encar. burrell in our future. isn't rowand bad enough. 60m for five years?????????????????