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WEDNESDAY, 4:47pm: The Mets officially announced the three-year deal with K-Rod. David Lennon and Ben Shpigel give inside looks at the negotiations.
TUESDAY, 4:43pm: The Angels didn't get a chance to match the Mets' offer.
3:42pm: Sherman agrees on the fourth year, $14MM vesting option mentioned by Rosenthal.
2:31pm: Sherman says the Mets agreed to terms with K-Rod on a three-year, $37MM deal. He gets about half as much money as was originally floated. The Angels will receive the Mets' #25 pick in next year's draft as well as a supplemental pick.
2:12pm: Sherman says K-Rod may be in New York tomorrow for his physical.
1:43pm: Sherman says Kinzer and the Mets are huddled this morning trying to put the finishing touches on the K-Rod deal. If it gets done, the Mets may move on to Derek Lowe. Rosenthal says the deal includes a $14MM fourth-year vesting option plus performance bonuses.
6:32am: David Lennon of Newsday also speaks of a three-year deal worth $12MM a year being close.
2:46am: Jon Heyman says the Mets appear to be closing in on a deal with K-Rod, likely for three years and about $37MM. The gap was apparently closed when the Mets guaranteed a third year. Just a year ago, a lesser, older free agent closer, Francisco Cordero, received four years and $46MM.
12:54am: According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the Mets are on the brink of landing Francisco Rodriguez. His agent Paul Kinzer is more optimistic than ever. A deal could be done before the end of the Meetings.
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burning the candle at both ends huh
Posted by: 04Forever | December 09, 2008 at 12:56 AM
I wonder if the offer is better then the angels proposed offer ?
Posted by: Sam | December 09, 2008 at 12:57 AM
it'd be nice to finally see a big name change uniforms.
Posted by: jmurray | December 09, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Good deal that the Mets and K-Rod are close, could be a bad deal if it is over 3 years guaranteed, but at least it gets this closer mess cleared up and Omar can now concentrate on other areas. Congrats to the mets.
Posted by: johns | December 09, 2008 at 12:59 AM
yessss
get him away from anaheim!
Posted by: bseballcrzy17 | December 09, 2008 at 01:04 AM
Good deal for the Mets. K-Rod will be a great addition.
Posted by: bjsguess | December 09, 2008 at 01:11 AM
$36/3 with an option I hope!
Posted by: meph | December 09, 2008 at 01:15 AM
Stay healthy for us Frankie. On a 3 year deal for around 36-40 mil, I can't complain.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 01:22 AM
thank god....it took us long enough now we need to add like street and or beimel/cordero to make this a solid bullpen and get rid of heilman...now lets move on2 a second basement starting pitcher and left fielder omar
Posted by: johnnydollaz89 | December 09, 2008 at 01:54 AM
Jon Heyman live on the FAN at 3 am--Mets and KRod very close to finalizing deal at 3 yrs, 37 mil, straight deal, no options.
Negotiations are ongoing and operative words are "wrapping up".
Could be announced as soon as Tuesday and Heyman is confident it will happen before end of winter meetings.
Posted by: WilmerFlores | December 09, 2008 at 02:19 AM
Mets= My Entire Team's Spanish
Posted by: mike923 | December 09, 2008 at 02:24 AM
Anything under 39/3 would be good, anything over would be bad, IMO. The move to the NL should help him as well.
Posted by: fenway_faithful | December 09, 2008 at 02:29 AM
your operative ignorant term is "spanish"...k-rod's venezulan not a spaniard.
Posted by: WilmerFlores | December 09, 2008 at 02:45 AM
Yeah... K-Rod = over rated.
It's time Minaya trade Wright because he isn't hispanic.
Posted by: dusto | December 09, 2008 at 02:53 AM
I'm kind of surprised that he couldn't get more than 3 years guaranteed after seeing the type of term that Rivera, Nathan, Ryan, Lidge and Cordero have gotten over the last couple of years.
Posted by: HeyBlueJay | December 09, 2008 at 02:58 AM
"Just a year ago, a lesser, older free agent closer, Francisco Cordero, received four years and $46MM."
that strike anybody else as flat out CRAZY?!?!
Posted by: KCsince88 | December 09, 2008 at 02:58 AM
TIM D.
you are the man. keep up the great work.
Posted by: ramonskee | December 09, 2008 at 03:07 AM
mike923 is ignorant - get a life
(this coming from a caucasian)
Posted by: Prismo | December 09, 2008 at 03:49 AM
KCsince88,
As a Reds fan, yes it was.
The Reds problem in 2007 was NOT the Closer but the guys who pitched in the seventh and eighth Innings. Getting Jeremy Affeldt and Mike Lincoln helped the Reds Bull Pen more than getting and overpaying for Cordero did.
Even with Cordero, the Reds only won two more Games than they did in 2008 and still had a losing record.
If the Reds had just looked ahead to after the 2008 season, they would have seen that there were going to be more good Closers on the market. That means there would have been a better opportunity to get a Closer as good or better than Cordero and at a less expensive price.
But "Win now" Ca$htellini was shortsighted and impatient and just HAD to have Cordero (and Dunn and Toothpick Baker).
Because of his impatience, I can't stand the thought of what the Reds might do this year.
Posted by: ctownboy | December 09, 2008 at 04:04 AM
Man Tim...staying up alot of the night to get this news is awsome..good thing you didnt go to bed like last year and the Torii Hunter signing lol
Posted by: Larsen101 | December 09, 2008 at 06:00 AM
mike923 "Mets= My Entire Team's Spanish"
david wright
mike pelfrey
aaron heilman
dan murphy
ryan church
brian schneider
Nick Evans
Billy Wagner
and this year Omar drafted THREE white guys in the first 2 rounds, Ike Davis, Reese Havens, and Brad Holt
You are, by far, a fool
Posted by: bigchart333 | December 09, 2008 at 06:30 AM
If those numbers are true, it's a really nice deal. The Mets got K-Rod off of 5/75 and all the way down to half the total value in 3/37 (Thanks to there being no other serious bidders), have to consider that a good job.
Of course, that's just a start, there's much more to be done, including at least 2 other relievers and a starter. I wonder if getting K-Rod done for less then anticipated will change their plans when it comes to pursuing a starter or another reliever, they could have more money to spend there then they anticipated.
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | December 09, 2008 at 06:34 AM
K-Rod will go down as the best ambidextrous-hurling closer to have ever closed a game--much less won a world series. Looking forward to his HOF speech.
Posted by: eyeao | December 09, 2008 at 06:35 AM
I don't get what all these "Omar favors latino players" expect him to do...
The Mets needed a closer, so they pursued the "Best Closer on the Market" and signed him. He just happened to be Venezuelan.
Last year, the Mets needed an Ace, they pursued the "Best Ace on the Market" and signed him. He just happened to also be Venezuelan.
Before K-Rod, the Mets needed a closer, they pursued the "Best Closer on the Market". He was actually white.
When the Mets needed a First Baseman, they pursued the "Best First Baseman on the Market". He was Puerto Rican.
When the Mets needed a Centerfielder, they pursued the "Best Centerfielder on the Market". He was Puerto Rican.
Notice a trend?
It's not the latino trend, because when the best available is white we've signed him too.
It's the trend of looking for quality, and it just turns out that alot of talented players are Latino. Should he have discriminated against them because we had enough latino players already? Is that what you're suggesting?
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | December 09, 2008 at 06:40 AM
If they can get K-Rod that will take care 1 of 3 top priorities: http://www.ontheblack.com/2008/12/09/top-3-priorities-for-the-mets-this-off-season/
Posted by: kerelcooper | December 09, 2008 at 06:51 AM
I'm glad this is pretty much done so that now the Mets can move on to other areas. The Mets really only need one more reliever to be set in the bullpen (most likely a set-up man for K-Rod). Then they can try and re-sign Ollie or a pitcher similar to him. After that they should really focus on signing Pedro or The Big Unit (if at all interested in NY) to a one year deal.
If their is money left in the tank go after a talented hitting infielder off the bench.
Posted by: RIPShea | December 09, 2008 at 07:31 AM
"Just a year ago, a lesser, older free agent closer, Francisco Cordero, received four years and $46MM."
that strike anybody else as flat out CRAZY?!?!
Yes, this completely baffles me. Krod just recorded the most saves in MLB history, i don't understand at all.
Posted by: ChiSox56 | December 09, 2008 at 07:43 AM
ChiSox56, that's the almighty power of leverage. The Mets had 4 closers to choose from, and were the only large-mid market team that NEEDED to come out of the offseason with a closer. Supply outnumbered Need, thus prices fell.
Usually it works the opposite way in sports, but thankfully the Mets were in a good spot to capitalize this year (Assuming these reports are legit).
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | December 09, 2008 at 08:04 AM
congrats to the mets if they get him. Im glad to see one of my 3 teams got him :)
Posted by: Bleed Red | December 09, 2008 at 08:12 AM
if it happens, great deal for the Mets who definitely played this well. Then we'll see how they fill their other holes. I agree with someone above that they also need a true set up man. This 8th inning by committee is bound to fail.
you also have to think how dumb krod's agent was not to take the better deal from the Angels when he had it although at this point he'll be what 29-30 when he hits the FA market again. They he can go after more.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 09, 2008 at 08:15 AM
While I can definitely see K-Rod regressing from his '08 stats and I believe he could have quite a few DL trips in his future, you really can't fault the Mets if they get him at 3/37. That is a great contract for them considering his past performance.
Posted by: UtleyFan | December 09, 2008 at 08:20 AM
ctownboy-
Agreed on the Reds bullpen primarily being stabilized by the additions of Affeldt and Lincoln. The Reds bullpen is still unsustainable IMO; they get more innings out of their starters than many other teams, which helps their bullpen big-time.
Cordero and K-Rod are a wash in terms of talent. It's just market value last year was much higher than this year. You can't fault Walt and the Reds FO on that. If K-Rod had gotten the projected 4/60, Cordero's deal would look really, really good right now. Although using that money to lock up Volquez, Cueto, Bruce, and/or Votto to extensions would've been a better idea.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 09, 2008 at 08:53 AM
I wonder if it will have some crazy opt out after one year clause.
Posted by: walkoffblast | December 09, 2008 at 09:41 AM
As a Phillies fan, I have so much fun laughing at this pathetic Mets team. This team can buy talent, but not chemistry. Choke-choke-choke.
Make it three years in a row, baby!!
Posted by: Fairfaxadelphia | December 09, 2008 at 09:50 AM
Very intelligent post Fairfaxadelphia.
It also holds no confluence to this topic.
Your faulting the Mets for going after the best talent at the positions they need??
Am I missing something here? Aren't teams suppose to win?
Posted by: RIPShea | December 09, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Yes, I agree. Thank you for that in-depth analysis of this topic.
At least this is a step in the right direction. If the Mets' bullpen continues a downward trend next season, then at least one could take solace in the fact that they tried to address the issue with the believed best-available closer. I think the terms of the deal are fair, and perhaps a bargain considering the money Francisco Cordero hoarded from the Reds last offseason at age 32.
This is a guy that has a below-2.50 ERA for his career and over 200 saves at age 26. K-Rod is no slouch, regardless of what people are saying about his diminishing velocity, less-effective changeup, K/BB ratio, or whatever else they have to say against him. He's stayed healthy and has been very effective throughout his major league career, which has to be an improvement from what I saw from this team's bullpen last year.
Posted by: MattyMets | December 09, 2008 at 12:06 PM
It's a joke retartds, just like the old one My Entire Team Sucks one was which was said for years, when of course the entire team didn't
Moving on, it is a good move of course for the Mets, lets see how K-Rod can handle NY, though I think he should be fine
Posted by: mike923 | December 09, 2008 at 12:16 PM
the minute rodriguez puts his john hancock on that paper, the red sox should turn around and give papelbon the same thing
Posted by: 04Forever | December 09, 2008 at 01:48 PM
"As a Phillies fan, I have so much fun laughing at this pathetic Mets team. This team can buy talent, but not chemistry. Choke-choke-choke.
Make it three years in a row, baby!!"
Chemistry does not win ballgames.
Why is it people that always say things like this use a lot of "!" marks?
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | December 09, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Also, hated this deal at 5 years. At 3 its worth it to see if he can bounce back this year to his old form and start dominating again.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | December 09, 2008 at 01:52 PM
Honestly, if this is the deal, the Angels need to swoop in and counter. This is well within their budget and, no matter which side of the fence you fall on with this guy, he puts people in seats.
Posted by: AA | December 09, 2008 at 01:55 PM
ESPN says the deal is done.
Posted by: celtics464 | December 09, 2008 at 02:09 PM
"While I can definitely see K-Rod regressing from his '08 stats and I believe he could have quite a few DL trips in his future"
Why DL trips? His ankle issue was solved and his mechanics are really good. There is no reason to think he should get hurt. Further, he pitched as well as he did this year, while essentially re-making his pitching style. He was still working out kinks with his change-up at the beginning of the year and actively taking velocity off his fastball to gain better control. He may well be better next year because of it.
Posted by: AA | December 09, 2008 at 02:13 PM
nice signing for the Metropolitans....
Posted by: bartendermlb | December 09, 2008 at 02:15 PM
"The more I think about it, the Mets really should offer K-Rod a deal like 3/36. What team out there will even match that offer if the Angels aren't interested? How many serious fits are there for K-Rod? Detroit maybe, but supposedly they are trying to slash payroll. St Louis? They are too smart of an organization, I can't see them offering much more then that for a closer. Milwaukee needs BP help, but they aren't spending that type of cash on a closer either. I really can't think of any team besides the Mets who would be willing to pay even close to what he wants. I have been openly against K-Rod coming to the Mets, but if you can get him on a 3 year deal for around 40 million, I couldn't object. I would not go above 3 years, and I would not offer him 15 million a year. Maybe 13, preferably 12. What team would K-Rod be a good fit on for 3/39 besides the Mets right now?
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 09, 2008 at 04:44 PM"
Haha, and I got dogged pretty hard for making that suggestion. Just saying. Nice job Omar. Two years in a row he got the guy he wanted on his terms. Way to go.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 02:18 PM
And to anyone who says chemistry does not win ballgames...it does keep spirits up, give confidence and give players a reason to stick together...in today's game do you ever see three aces in one rotation again...ala Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz...that will never happen again...they only stayed together for the chemistry all could have left for more money at one point or another...and notice how when one left the trio broke up...so yeah....chemistry is a load of crap...please
Posted by: bartendermlb | December 09, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Chemistry is not a bad thing, but talent plays. It is what it is. You have a better chance of winning with a group full of all stars that don't get along well then a bunch of league average players who love each other. The Braves of the 90's just happened to have both.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 02:24 PM
nrmax,
Can't wait for KROD's first visit to CBP. It should be fun!!!
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 09, 2008 at 02:27 PM
I guess if you want to play the "friends are going to stay together" card, it could actually affect winning for a long time, but in terms of whether or not chemistry changes a team's chances of winning with the roster as it is now, it does not.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | December 09, 2008 at 02:28 PM
Yes, pWSc... I am sure the PHillies will just love K-Rod and his mound antics. Whatever, just adds to the rivalry. I just hope K-Rod can come through in his first couple of chances against the Phils, or it could get rough for him. Maybe he will match Lidge and go all year without blowing one? Maybe not. This makes things more interesting for sure though.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 02:33 PM
What was the original offer from the Angels? Wasn't it something like 3 yrs/45M?
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | December 09, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Can't complain about 3/37 for a 26-year old closer who even in a "down" year racks up a 10.14 K/9 and is very good at keeping the ball in the yard. Very solid pickup for the Metropolitans.
Posted by: JK47 | December 09, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Wow, his price sure has dropped since the beginning of the offseason. Still, his price at the beginning was way more than his value, so this is a good pickup for the Mets.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | December 09, 2008 at 02:39 PM
This is a great signing for the Mets. I'm pretty shocked they got him for so little. Either the economy is really affecting the free agent market or K-Rod has the worst agent in the world.
Posted by: Bourne's_Identities | December 09, 2008 at 02:40 PM
You know, as an Angels fan, this is bittersweet. I think K-Rods problem, ever since 2002 - - was he hit the lottery on his first ticket. He came up a young kid, had AMAZINGLY electric stuff, and ever since 02, he's had the swagger of I can beat anyone. That cause more than a few balls to end up home runs in years passed. His Save record is more of a Angels team number, because honestly? there were MANY a white knuckle save for us fans in the OC. I think he and his agent assumed money would rain down from the heavens, and when a real offer came and it wasn't Mariano Rivera money as expected, they settled for it. I wish K-rod well and thank him for his great years as an Angel. I wonder who will miss the other more in this scenario...K-rod or the Angels....? time will tell
Posted by: OCSportsGeek | December 09, 2008 at 02:42 PM
Pretty good deal by the Mets. Figured he would have gotten 4-5 years. Seems like there wasn't too much interest in him.
Posted by: juiced | December 09, 2008 at 02:43 PM
nrmax,
haha, he's NO Lidge. Just for kicks i compared their stats from the last 2 years. ALso i never realize that Lidge had so many strikeouts earlier in his career. Even if you add say a Cruz, we've still got the better bullpen, IMO, but hey I'm biased. Then you've gotta start worrying about your rotation. We've certainly got less holes, but we better start plugging them soon.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 09, 2008 at 02:45 PM
He wanted 75 we got him for 37. Take some of that saved money and offer it to CC as opposed to Ollie. Dump Church, Castillo an Heilman for bullpen relief. Re-sign Easley and sign Milton Bradley...
Posted by: OhHeySlim | December 09, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Very good signing. Could be the best of this off-season. As an Angels fan I am very sad to see him go, especially at this price.
Posted by: bjsguess | December 09, 2008 at 02:47 PM
Calm your fury, that M.E.T.S. thing was funny.
The fact that he only got a 2 million a year raise after hitting free agency at 26 is amazing. If he stays healthy hitting free agency again at 29 should work out quite nicely for him, I wouldn't want that option to vest.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | December 09, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Trying to figure out the bullpen advantage now is just stupid. The Mets could do nothing else and have a better pen then Philly next year. You just never know. Madson could struggle while Heilman bounces back. Romero could struggle while Feliciano bounces back. It is just too hard to predict the way a pen will play out. The Mets had a great pen filled with nobodies in 06. Nobody thought Philly's pen would be better in 07 but it was. Guys go up and down in the pen from year to year more then any other professional athletes. We will see what happens. I really am not worried about the rotation. Ollie will probably be back, if not a guy like Lowe or Sheets or Burnett. After that, they will sign a veteran and let him battle with Niese to win the last spot. Lidge was better then K-Rod last year, but that hasn't always been the case. Lidge and K-Rod were actually more similar in 08 then I thought. The Mets have Santana/Maine/Pelfrey locked in, while the Phils have Hamels/Myers/Blanton locked in. They both have some rotation issues to figure out before the season starts.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Best Move of the Offseason!!!
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 09, 2008 at 02:55 PM
best move so far......even better now that they have the money to do more......so what do you figure????Fuentes to close out the 8th for 6-9 million a year for 2 option for 3rd......and you guys said Minny was crazy to low ball
Posted by: Butch | December 09, 2008 at 02:58 PM
Not a bad pick up for the Mets because getting him was their top priority this off season and they get him for much cheaper then expected...Now they gotta get some 7th and 8th inning guys or this will be a meaningless signing.
Posted by: JT89 | December 09, 2008 at 03:02 PM
No it wasn't. No matter what this isn't a meaningless signing. No more type A relief arms. Just bring in some arms like Chad Cordero, Juan Rincon etc. Keep Heilman. He is the only current guy who gets LHB and RHB out, bad 2008 not withstanding. Just find a guy or two without crazy platoon splits and bring him in. Maybe it is Parnell or Kunz. Maybe it is Brad Holt. No more big money moves in the pen.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 03:13 PM
nrmax,
do you really think a kid (i don't know their makeup admittedly) like Kunz or Parnell or Holt could do the 8th inning in Citi Field? Wouldn't it be safer for you to go get a Juan Cruz?
And yes bullpens are crapshoots but i still prefer our crapshoot to yours.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 09, 2008 at 03:28 PM
I'm with you nrmax, I feel like you need to import a few fresh arms, but not any more big money FA for the pen. Take a few chances on cheaper FA and trade for guys your scouts like and who don't get a ton of attention. The beauty of the K-Rod signing is now the Mets CAN legitimately pursue an upgrade at SP or in the offense. It doesn't have to be John Garland or Raul Ibanez either.
My guess is the next step is making absolutely sure they can't move any of Castillo's contract. If they can manage, they could have upwards of $20 million in payroll room for this year. You have the flexibility to target Derek Lowe or even Manny Ramirez and not worry about going over budget.
Posted by: MEddler | December 09, 2008 at 03:29 PM
With the exception of hitting the rookie wall "Everyday Joe" Smith has been good. Kunz struggled in winter ball but I have no problem throwing Parnell in the fire. But like I said trade our junk for bullpen parts take the money saved on K-Rod + Citi bailout $$$ and offer slightly more than Milwaukee. You know the McCourts won't pony up, and the Giants still have Barry Zito. Let's go Omar! You did it with Beltran and you can do it again with CC...
Posted by: OhHeySlim | December 09, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Agreed. I was thinking about Manny also. He hasn't received that much attention. I still say if you can move Luis you just take a shot with Murphy at 2B and live with whatever he gives you, if he can hit like he showed last year. I love the sound of Manny in this lineup though. I also would like to see Ollie back, though I would understand if they move in another direction. I just think having a lefty of his caliber to face the Phils is a huge advantage, there are no other lefties like that available and he has been able to neutralize Ryno and Chase Utley for the last 2 years, which is very important if you want to be Philly.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Are all Phillie fans this biased? Jeez.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | December 09, 2008 at 03:50 PM
Trade Heilman&Feliciano for Street.
Trade Castillo for a bag of balls, and an opened bag of sunflower seeds.
Sign Ollie
Sign Manny
Take a nap.
Posted by: ksuth | December 09, 2008 at 03:51 PM
OhHeySlim:
CC is not coming to NY or the East coast for that matter. He wants to be closer to home. If it were about money he would've signed that Yankees deal a while ago.
Posted by: ksuth | December 09, 2008 at 03:52 PM
Bottom has fallen out on closers, or is the market for K-Rod that worried about his long term viability with his violent delivery? I still think Wood may get 3/30, but not sure Fuentes will get that now.
Posted by: johns | December 09, 2008 at 04:03 PM
being a phillies fan, I love hearing the mets dishing out big contracts. the more the merrier. Seeing as our owners are cheap and dont like to spend our revenues on the team, I am happy when the salary caps are evened out a bit by 20 mill contracts like santana. also, has anyone noticed that omar only brings in spanish people to play for the mets? white people are peppered into their lineup in david wright and john maine, aaron heilman, but everyone else is pretty much spanish. Im not the racist here, the mets ownership is haha
Posted by: KLofton7 | December 09, 2008 at 04:09 PM
"No it wasn't. No matter what this isn't a meaningless signing. No more type A relief arms. Just bring in some arms like Chad Cordero, Juan Rincon etc. Keep Heilman. He is the only current guy who gets LHB and RHB out, bad 2008 not withstanding. Just find a guy or two without crazy platoon splits and bring him in. Maybe it is Parnell or Kunz. Maybe it is Brad Holt. No more big money moves in the pen."
I agree with nearly all of this. They really need to avoid spending any more big money on the bullpen. Maybe they revisit Huston Street, but otherwise I don't really think a big addition makes any sense for the bullpen.
They desperately need to use the rest of their money on the rotation and lineup. A rotation of Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Niese and ???????? is simply not enough to contend, especially if the lineup is basically Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado, Murphy, Church and two black holes at second and catcher.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 09, 2008 at 04:12 PM
ksuth:
I never said it was about the money but think about what he wants.
-NL
-West Coast Team
-Batting
As I said before the McCourt's are cheap and San Francisco would have to dig deep to sign him leaving them with zero offense.
I'm just saying Omar should kick the tires. We may not be on the West Coast but we're in the National League, he wouldn't have to shoulder all the pressure, and if we're stuck with Castillo and Schneider he could bat seventh in the lineup. the Wilpon's would clean up in the additional revenue he would bring to the stadium and this team...
Posted by: OhHeySlim | December 09, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Do the Mets really want two lefty pitchers with $120M+ contracts though?
I mean you could say the same with the Giants, but they've probably already accepted that Zito is a sunk cost basically.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 09, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Brett Favre has just been signed by the Mets to pitch the 8th inning. Pending a physical.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 04:26 PM
If the Mets make the playoffs the Packers receive a 1st round pick in the MLb entry draft in 2009. If they win a World series, the Packers get 2 first round picks in the MLB draft next year, while getting a 6th rounder in the NFL draft.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Seriously though, I don't understand the whole we need to upgrade at catcher thing. Schneider is solid behind the plate, and he really hit well down the stretch putting up a .286/.365/.536 line in August and a .360/.320/.480 line in September.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 04:31 PM
.260/.320/.480**
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 04:32 PM
"Seriously though, I don't understand the whole we need to upgrade at catcher thing. Schneider is solid behind the plate, and he really hit well down the stretch putting up a .286/.365/.536 line in August and a .360/.320/.480 line in September."
I don't really think they need to upgrade at catcher. If Schneider can post a .350ish OBP while playing his great defense, then the Mets are getting more than enough production from catcher.
My issue is that it seems like the Mets have only four truly dependable guys in their lineup: Wright, Reyes, Beltran and Delgado.
With Church, he's more of a platoon hitter and that concussion thing can really screw a hitter up.
With Murphy, he's just young and unproven, so it's no sure thing that he'll be a dependable and solid hitter for 600 at bats. And his defense is poor.
With Castillo, you know the issues already.
My problem isn't so much with Schneider/their catching, as much as it is a concern with the depth of their lineup.
Having Murphy prove to be a everyday option, having Church healthy, or something getting something more from Castillo would be big for their efforts.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 09, 2008 at 04:51 PM
**being a phillies fan, I love hearing the mets dishing out big contracts. the more the merrier. Seeing as our owners are cheap and dont like to spend our revenues on the team, I am happy when the salary caps are evened out a bit by 20 mill contracts like santana. also, has anyone noticed that omar only brings in spanish people to play for the mets? white people are peppered into their lineup in david wright and john maine, aaron heilman, but everyone else is pretty much spanish. Im not the racist here, the mets ownership is haha**
And now we see why everybody hates Philly fans. Who cares about race? Seriously? What does race have to do with anything baseball related? You're not the racist but you played the race card. ONLY IN PHILLY!
And I think the problem of Mets fans have with the catcher is that he was brought in for defensive purposes and he could call a good game. And Schneider did neither and Milledge is going to be a stud...
Posted by: OhHeySlim | December 09, 2008 at 04:55 PM
in 5 years this might be a bigger move for the Angels than the Mets. They get the Mets 1st round pick and a supplemental pick as well for a guy who pitched 3 semi meaningless outs. I think teams are starting to realize how expendable closer is and how the most important reliever is the one who shuts it down in the 7th and 8th innings. Baseball has changed because of the emergence of an over glorified stat in the save.
Posted by: yanks09 | December 09, 2008 at 04:55 PM
While I find it fascinating that you are drunk at 530 on a tuesday,
"the Packers receive a 1st round pick in the MLb entry draft in 2009."
not knowing what team he's on is unacceptable.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | December 09, 2008 at 04:56 PM
It was a joke. I am a die hard Jet fan, I am pretty sure what team Favre plays for.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 04:59 PM
LOL Favre is a Jet now...
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 09, 2008 at 05:00 PM
"I think teams are starting to realize how expendable closer is and how the most important reliever is the one who shuts it down in the 7th and 8th innings."
Werd. Eduar Ramirez is more important then Mo. Good stuff. Seriously, I sort of agree with the idea that closers are overated, but with this deal there are still a bunch of closers making more money then he is. The Mets needed a closer. They got one short term for much less money then expected. This is a great deal.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 05:03 PM
"While I find it fascinating that you are drunk at 530 on a tuesday,
"the Packers receive a 1st round pick in the MLb entry draft in 2009."
not knowing what team he's on is unacceptable."
But it isn't unacceptable the the Packers would be getting an MLB draft pick though, right? I mean, the whole post was just so ridiculous I thought you, of all people would see the sarcasm in it.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 09, 2008 at 05:05 PM
Don't worry, nrmax88, I got it!!!
Posted by: scribbletone | December 09, 2008 at 05:46 PM
***And now we see why everybody hates Philly fans. Who cares about race? Seriously? What does race have to do with anything baseball related? You're not the racist but you played the race card. ONLY IN PHILLY!***
it is a race thing apparently in NY omar miniya doesnt like black people. i said it. more than 75% of your team is spanish, i dont know of any other team like yours in the league. either way it doesnt matter. your never making the playoffs. the mets blow and are masters at the art of choking. stock up on aspirin next season mets fans.
Posted by: KLofton7 | December 10, 2008 at 01:14 PM
I feel sorry for you. Your life must be just awful.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 10, 2008 at 04:54 PM
KLofton, with that spelling and grammar, no one takes you seriously.
Posted by: metzfan22 | December 10, 2008 at 05:58 PM
STOP WITH THE RACISM PEOPLE...would you have rathered the Mets pass over K-Rod because he's latino?? He was the best closer available. Get over it. Omar MINAYA (get the spelling right idiots) signed K-Rod not because he's latino, but because he's the best closer available. People say the most ridiculous things sometimes, damn...
Posted by: metzfan22 | December 10, 2008 at 06:01 PM
And champs, they wore Los Mets on Meringue night. They have special nights like that for all different people, such as Irish, Jewish, etc. It's because New York is so diverse that they try to recognize everyone, it's a promotion. You could be the stupidest person on Earth, congratulations.
Posted by: metzfan22 | December 10, 2008 at 06:06 PM
**it is a race thing apparently in NY omar miniya doesnt like black people. i said it. more than 75% of your team is spanish, i dont know of any other team like yours in the league. either way it doesnt matter. your never making the playoffs. the mets blow and are masters at the art of choking. stock up on aspirin next season mets fans.it is a race thing apparently in NY omar miniya doesnt like black people. i said it. more than 75% of your team is spanish, i dont know of any other team like yours in the league. either way it doesnt matter. your never making the playoffs. the mets blow and are masters at the art of choking. stock up on aspirin next season mets fans.**
Ignorance at its phinest.
Posted by: OhHeySlim | December 10, 2008 at 06:50 PM
Okay, great, the Mets got a closer. So how about the 7th and 8th inning?
Posted by: yankfan1 | December 10, 2008 at 07:11 PM
i guess the 8th inning guy is jj putz huh? good bye heilman.
Posted by: big jay | December 10, 2008 at 11:47 PM
"Yup, New York is so diverse, ur right, but u dont see any other languages besides spanish on their jerseys for the other promotions do u? U could be the dumbest person on earth for being so nieve? And btw u smart Metropolitan fan, stupidest isnt a word"
Wow. Just wow. Just.... wow.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 11, 2008 at 02:56 AM
yay a 26 year old with declining numbers!
Posted by: yank in your face | December 11, 2008 at 05:13 AM