Odds and Ends: Thorman, Sabathia, Pettitte

The argument was that the Yankees stood behind Pettitte during the whole Mitchell Report thing, and during that period Pettitte said that he only wanted to play for the Yankees.

If now that that has blown over he went and played for a different team, he would therefore be a phony.

There's some logic to it, whether he's right or not..

Well Andy better resign with the Yanks now that Joel Sherman thinks he'd be a phony if he took more money from another team to perform the exact same job.

Shut up, good god. What a complete bunch of garbage.

"In his moment of need, when it was revealed Pettitte was both a liar and cheater, the Yankees stood by him last season."

and they were going to do what?

How many teams did not stand with the guys implicated that were on their active rosters ?

None. What the Yankees did was not special, and it was to be expected. If they had not stood by their player they would have had a huge PR nightmare plus Bud Selig would have layed a beat down.

I really like Petite and loved watching him pitch when him and the Yanks came north of the border.

Saying he's a phoney is low. The Yankees do not deserve special treatment just because they towed the party line.

By writing this article Sherman is exposing himself as a real C U Next Tuesday, if you know what i mean.

OMG CC will sign with the Giants or A's now. Especially if LeBron will go to the Golden State Warriors in 2 years.

My God, this free agent season is painfully slow.

What a ridiculous story. This is the same team's fans that welcomed back Clemens with a standing ovation in '07 -- despite screwing the Yankees out of picks when he "retired" after '03.

Sherman and Waldman are tied for the New York media's biggest sycophantic d0uches.

It's more than just the fact they stood by him...it's that he said it was Yankees or retirement all along, and that he wanted to take it year by year. Now he decides after the season he wants a 2 year deal and 16 mil still?

Better for Yankee fans to get over Petite, that way when he gets onto the HOF ballot, they all won't be clamoring for him to be enshrined like most of them think most every Yank starter should.

And Colletti isnt in charge of the Dodgers anymore! Not with Ms. pennywise McCourt telling Dodger fans that they should want the team to donate more money for the community than sign any big money free agents.

Pettitte has put in his time and produced for the Yankees, and team loyalty is not what it used to be (I doubt we will see anymore Gwynn's and Ripkins HOF retiring with the only team they ever played for) on both the team and players ends...look at Hoffman and the Padres. Players got to look out for them and teams for themselves

CC is from vallejo, close to oakland, and i think he's always been a warriors fan (he also goes to raiders games). i still see him in an angel or yankee uniform.

"I am a sox fan, but I thought the pettitte bit was written well. I can see why the Yankees are mad about the way he has handled situations.
How many times will the yankees let him stab them in the back?"

How about when the Yankees lowballed the hell out of Andy back in the day before he went to Houston? George Steinbrenner has said a million things he never followed through on. Besides, just because Pettitte might go somewhere else doesn't mean he didn't want to play for NY. If he gets more money, how can you blame him. Something I don't get about NY sports fans and writers. They expect all these players from everywhere to just flock to NY to come play in the Big Apple and get a huge payday. You never hear how they are bad people for leaving their old home to make more money in NY. But when NY lowballs a guy, and he wants to leave NY for the same reason he came in (the money), now he is some phony, lying, greedy piece of crap because he won't accept a hometown discount. Just seems pretty fickle. Joel Sherman is a waste of space.

"1+1 does not equal 4.

There's no logic behind calling Petite a phony. The Yankees didn't "stand behind" Petite. They just didn't release him & paid him $16M to throw left handed.

If they don't want to pay him this year, and he wants to continue to work, then he should go elsewhere.

He said after the incident that the Yankees were the only team he wanted to pitch for, because he was under contract. What was he supposed to say?? No I would rather be pitching in LA right now. Come on.

That was a terrible article that has no basis in reality.

If you're a contractor, working on one job, that job finishes, but the owner comes in and says "we want you to do the same job at the same location, but we want to cut your pay by 40%" and another home owner comes to you and says, "I like your work, can you come do the same job over here in a little bit hotter sun, but for relatively the same pay??" You go do the other job at the higher pay, even if you said at the time the first owner was the best owner you've ever done work for, and you only want to work for him at that time.

That's logic."

Great post.

The Yanks made a similar offer to Bernie WIlliams his last year with the team. The Yanks weren't crazy about bringing him back but they made an offer that was in line with where his production had dropped to and he accepted the offer. The following year the Yanks were not interested at all in bringing him back and he retired.

Now if Pettitte said "I think I have more left in the tank and would like to come back to the Yanks but we'll see what happens and weigh my options with other teams" then I can live with that and would wish him the best wherever that lands him.

"Pettitte has put in his time and produced for the Yankees, and team loyalty is not what it used to be (I doubt we will see anymore Gwynn's and Ripkins HOF retiring with the only team they ever played for) on both the team and players ends..."

So I guess Chipper Jones isn't HOF material, nor in either Gwynn's nor Ripken's alley.

didnt say Jones isnt HOF material should have said "many more" instead of "anymore" in refering to HOFs that stayed with one team their entire career.

YanksFanSince78, that's why it's like....

Joel, meet kettle, kettle meet Joel he's a pot, and just we'll call him black.

We only get a small sliver of what actually happens in MLB, and the other half of any story is more than likely never published. These contract situations are fluid and can greatly change over the period of a few hours, let alone one full season.

We've seen these scenario's play out many times over, and for Sherman to all of the sudden feel shunned by Pettitte because of this is what I have an issue with.

Again, your posts are fine, he shouldn't have said what he said, or he should have phrased things differently but that's different then not inviting him to ever come to an old timers game, and to say he should never be cheered at a ceremony, and he's no longer a Yankee great, and he should never be recognized for what he did do for the team.

Sherman's just showing his true colors, and again, it's black.

BaseBallz: You really are ready too much of the CC situation aren't you? The guy is about to make the most important decision of his life. Any team that wants CC this badly is willing to wait, within reason, for him to decide. Remember...the deal was offered to him 2 weeks ago. He not rushing to sign is more indicative of him waiting the market out to see if any of the West coast teams make a play or just any team in general. If I'm his agent would I be doing my due diligence for my client to jump on an offer so quickly?

As for Pettitte you wrote:

"Its all business. Petite wants to get the most money he can, which used to mean being a Yankee, but now it means playing somewhere else.

The Yankees don't have any extra appeal just because they are the Yankees".
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Pettitte has said in his own words that he wants to remain a Yankee and wants to come back for at least one more year and play in the new stadium. He also said, in his own words, that in 09 it's the Yankees or nothing (retirement). So while I would not begrudge him for going where the money is, would that not be a contradiction and ergo can be regarded as being a phony or at least disingenuous?

Isn't it ASSUMED that Pettite is a phony?

HGH=PHONY

I'm just glad we finally got rid of Thorman too bad it couldn't have come via trade three years ago when had minimal potential...congrats on your new Richie Sexson...he'll take Prince's place at the all-star break...

Agreed, why exactly is Matz's name in their with several busts? If anyone cares to remember, when Matz was still in the bidding stage everybody was talking about him as the biggest thing to come out of Japan since Ichiro. It was pretty much the second Boston was suggested to have the winning bid did every other fan start talking about what a remarkable bust he was about to become. Overall Matz has been a very good addition to the staff.

Also why are they adding on the 51M when Boras didn't negotiate that part of it?

yanksfansince78, you're going to be very sad when CC doesn't sign with the Yankees. It's ok to hold out hope a player you want so badly will sign with your team, especially given the fact that the Yankees usually can buy whomever they want. Unfortunately for you, this time your ignoring the obvious:

CC is taking his time because he can. He gets to set the bar for all pitchers and, with the exception of Mark Texeria, all the hitters as well. CC will pitch for one of three teams next year. The Giants, Angele, or Dodgers. I think his prefrence is the Giants, but in the end, he will take the best offer of the three. Just as Texeria wants back to the east coast, but probably won't end up with Baltimore or Washington, because Boston will offer more and a better chance to win. The Angles will realize they are out on Tex and offer the most to CC. CC now knows how the arbitration decisions might influence his end dollar value and can wait until the winter meetings to see which team may panic a little. I suspect both Tex and CC sign between the 8th and 11th, after teams know better whether or not their prospective trades workout.

Unfortunately for Yankees fans, I don't think Santas fillng the top portion of your Christmas list this year. No Lowe either, you MAY get Burnett but it'll be costly