Rosenthal's Latest: Johnson, Cano, Peavy

wow nixa you need to get over it. Was i wrong, YES. Should I have brought it up in that context, NO. I've already agreed to that, get over it. The giants fan i had it with at the time TheManagement got over it and we had a nice discussion afterwards. The fact that you remember it from, what over a month ago? What does that say about you???

And am I wrong? What is the point of the site? To have discussion about players/prospects? make trade proposals? Argue/disagree in a calm manner without calling people douches?

douchey attitude...
lol.. really?!
yeah philsws! you and your perfumed attitude!
jk brother

cano for kemp?
i would rather sign grudz, or loretta.
if were moving kemp i would rather package him with mcdonald for something very sweet. but that would have to be something huge.

661dodgerblue,

thx. at least i don't stink huh? I wouldn't trade Kemp for Cano either. I think Kemp's upside is higher.

And I don't know who I'd take. To me I'd love to see what Lincecum/Cain could do in the postseason if they ever got there. I hope they do becuase that'd be a great story. (ya I'm sure you want to hear that). I've said that for years about Cole and Chase Utley. Hamels got a bad rap for his first postseason start last year and I was at the game and a couple of walks made the difference. this year he was dominant. Hopefully he carries it into next year.

I admittedly don't see Lincecum enough and when he plays against my phils he isn't as dominating as he is against other teams.

I plan on taking a keen eye to watching more Lincecum on mlb.com this coming season, that way I can watch the reigning Cy Young while i stay springtime fresh in the privacy of my own home, LOL.

Didn't call you a douch e, I said you had a douchey attitude. You decided to ask me "oh and by the way, exactly what does my team affilliation have to do with your opinion of my opinions nixa?" Which I took to be you insinuating I don't like you because I'm jealous of the Phils, since I never mentioned anything about your team affiliation. I noted it wasn't worth arguing with you because you generally will just make statements to get an argument going (i.e. the Lincecum-Hamels thing). You also seem to always poke your head into anything Braves related to point out that no matter what they do they won't finish better than 3rd or 4th in the division.

I love how you just posted your original post. You obviously posted that originally so you'd get to make your argument for Hamels and that's what you proceeded to do. My post earlier was simply pointing out that it wasn't worth arguing with your 2B list because that's all you were looking for when you made it.

I mean if you do feel that in your opinio KJ is btter then fine but I can't see you saying he's OBVIOUSLY better. If so based on what?

nixa,

the reason i asked that is FyreKnight is a Phils fan (I believe) except you can't necesarily tell that from his name.

Why would you be jealous of the Phils? Yes we won the WS this year, but we of the 10k losses have no reason for jealous. We have perfected futility until this year.

If anything we should be jealous of the Braves and their 13 or 14 division championships in a row (in which you won a WS too). Heck we both should be jealous of the Marlins and their 2 WS in what 10+ years of existence.

And ask Yankees/Giants/Mets/Red Sox fans. I poke my head there as well. I poke my head where I find things interesting, or teams I find interesting. Is that OK?

And I do think they'll likely finish 3rd of 4th in the divison. We're pretty good right now as are the Mets. We spend a lot so that's why. In about 2-3 years I'd expect situations to be turned. You've got a lot of solid prospects that if they turn out you'll do well.

Honestly you read wayyyy too much into it.

philsWSchamps,

Guess I read too much into it, and sorry that I made that snipe about your attitude. Just seems like too often you'll interject into a post about a rumored Braves move to say it won't make a difference they'll still finish 3rd or 4th and then not add anything else to the conversation. Maybe its just selective memory on my part. You just come across as someone who wants to bait people into arguments at times.

Nixa,
no problem.
that's not my intent. Listen, if you add a good bat, get Burnett and your 5th starter comes around (whoever he is) and your bullpen does well, you could very well surprise everyone. Many of your guys had down years (especially Francoeur) and you were devestated by injuries to your starters. To me losing Hudson until August really hurts. If you had him to start 09, you could really challenge.

And heck, we had a lot go right for us, especially our bullpen. That could go to crap and we'd be lucky to be in 3rd. You never know, that's why they play the game. We could be beset by injuries (God forbid) and then we'd be screwed. That's why they play on the field and not on paper.

I never take it for granted, no matter how I seem now because for the last couple years prior to 07 and 08 we were the 5th best team in the league and always missed out by a game. Anything can happen.

How about a lifetime batting avg 30+ higher than KJ's .273?

And why would you say obp is THEE most important stat?

OBP is an important stat to measure a hitters worth but you can't go by that alone. Milton Bradley had the 3rd best obp in baseball last year. DOes that make him last years 3rd best hitter?

Marcus Giles had a better OBP than Arod, Youk, Cabrera, Wright and many others. Is he a better hitter than any of them? Obviously not.

Don't get hung up on 1 baseball stat and throw the rest out the window.

nixa37,

and i also especially enjoyed your argument with another fan about if "clutch" is a statistic that can be measured. I believe that while its difficult to measure it can have an affect on those in the surrounding situation, ie. a random average pitcher is in the ALCS and comes up against David Ortiz of say 2 years ago with the winning run on 2nd and one out. Don't you think he's more concerned than if its say Coco Crisp? Of course he is, and maybe that concern translates into a lack of focus and he misses his spot and Ortiz tattoes it. Is that clutch, yes, but not necessarily 100% of that belongs to Ortiz. part of it to me is taken FROM the pitcher and part is Ortiz' faith in his ability that in any situation he'll get it done.

and Utley is hands down the best 2b in baseball (sorry sox fans). I think Kinsler would be 2nd if he plays at 80% of what he did before his season ended due to injury (offensively speaking atleast). But its no debate about Utley he is the complete package....look what he did this year even with an old man rivers broken hip.

Yes, I am a Phillies fan. Born and raised in South Philly, now living in Clearwater, FL. It was fun having to cheer the Philles over all the Bandwagon Rays fans!

I was there for the 1993 playoffs and world series, went to every home game, paid a lot, but worth every penny. game 6 against the Braves when Schilling struck out the first 5 batters the Vet was crazy!!! The floor under us shook, it was amazing. I was 13 in 1980, was there for the parade, wish i was there this year, however my dad taped it and sent it to me.

"Dear Mr. Cashman

Please sign Oliver Perez to a lengthy contract as an early Christmas present. Love,

Red Sox Nation"

Happy Birthday Mr. President

"even with a down year, Cano' has shown alot more than Kemp has... I guess contracts even that out, though..."

do you mean the extra 1000 abs?
or his 342 batting average in 06?

290avg with 18 home runs and 35 stolen bases.. good defender. i think he was like top three in assists from the outfield this year. and hes 2 years younger than cano..
also making pennies compared to cano.

that best is yet too come. please believe

if that trade goes down i throw up wherever i am.. and i become a lancaster jethawk fan full time.

Ohh yeah... back in 1993, we chanted "Larry" for Chipper Jones... it affected him too..

we also did the "reverse tomahawk chop" - remember that???

Good times!

Chipper played 8 games in 93 before he tore his ACL...I think you might be misremembering that one. That 1993 series was a good one...I was at game 5 when the Braves scored 3 in the 9th to tie it before losing in the 10th.

Yes both Kemp and Cano and tremendous talents and rising stars. But when all is said and done Cano will have the better career. Besides SB Cano has shown more promise (and put up better stats) in every offensive category. Last year the Yanks maybe would have traded Cano for Kemp straight up because of the panic the Yanks had in CF. Not going to happen now.

Posted by: yanks09 | December 04, 2008 at 07:07 PM

Can you tell me the lotto numbers for next week?

Oh, you don't have the ability to see into the future? Thats weird, with what you said I could have sworn you were able to.

I think if the dodgers are going to trade Kemp use him to get Roy Halliday or Peavy...not Cano. It just doesn't add up.