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By Steve Adams [December 7, 2008 at 3:32pm CST]
Ken Rosenthal has a new column up, let's take a look at the highlights:
- Rosenthal doesn't see Mark Teixeira signing with the Nationals, even for the rumored ten-year, $200MM contract. He's got better options in the Angels, Red Sox, and Yankees. Scott Boras managed to get Alex Rodriguez a ten-year deal with a losing team in 2000 when he signed with the Rangers, but Rosenthal doesn't forsee a repeat.
- The Indians are waiting on the Mets' closer decision to make a decision of their own. Once New York signs or trades for a closer, the market will likely collapse. The Mets are preparing simultaneous offers to Francisco Rodriguez, Brian Fuentes, and Kerry Wood.
- The Brewers could spend big money on a closer once they hear from Ben Sheets and C.C. Sabathia. If the Brewers can somehow retain both, they won't have money to spend on a closer and would likely have to trade Prince Fielder.
- The Mets are desperately trying to unload Luis Castillo so they can make a run at Orlando Hudson. They're having no luck though, even in trying to swap him for another bad contract. The Rangers rejected a swap of Castillo for Vicente Padilla.
- Nationals GM Jim Bowden is interested in Willy Taveras. Doesn't make any sense to me. The Nats already have Lastings Milledge, Josh Willingham, Elijah Dukes, and Austin Kearns.
- The Rockies prefer to keep Garrett Atkins, but the Twins, Dodgers, Giants, and Phillies are all interested. Chase Utley has been a long-time supporter of bringing his former UCLA teammate to the Phils for a reunion.
- The Marlins are getting several inquiries on Jorge Cantu and Dan Uggla. They don't plan to trade either, though if the Giants were to offer Jonathan Sanchez for Cantu, the Marlins would jump at the chance.
- Jermaine Dye, Mike Cameron, Marcus Thames, and Marlon Byrd are all available via the trade market, for teams needing a right-handed hitting outfielder. Rosenthal still feels Cameron could still end up in pinstripes.
How are teams like the Nationals supposed to get better if players won't sign there? I guess being the worst teams can only get better by drafting and signing half assed players who end up being good like Pena.
Posted by: XD23 | December 07, 2008 at 03:43 PM
I wouldn't do it, but Castillo for Andruw Jones may be the only way the Mets can get rid of him. Same goes for the Dodgers with Jones.
Posted by: icedrake523 | December 07, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Leather Pants Bowden's interest in Taveras is strictly because the Reds have been rumored to have interest in him.
Bowden is trying to dick around with the Reds like he did last year with a possible trade.
Bowden will "show" interest in Taveras until it is time to put up or shut up. Then, once he is shown to be the fraud he is (has NO interest in Taveras), he will slink back into the ooze.
Posted by: ctownboy | December 07, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Omar, please do not sign Orlando Hudson. He is Luis Castillo Part Deux. And, in such a thin market for 2B, O-Dawg is sure to get a fat contract. Hudson is a light hitting, poor defensive 2B with declining range.
Seriously. You're better off letting Murphy do his best Dan Uggla impression at 2B for league minimum and trying to mitigate for all that bad defensive runs by improving the starting pitching (I have a feeling Ben Sheets will come on a 2 year deal) and the bullpen, and maybe getting a stud LF (although they also svck at defense). I mean, if the defensive trends continue, Hudson and Murphy's defense could very easily be close to a wash in a couple of years.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 03:54 PM
Thames looks interesting for the Rays. They match up since the Rays have pitching.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 03:59 PM
I like either Dye or Byrd for the Reds. I also like Delmon Young and Milton Bradley...
Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | December 07, 2008 at 04:02 PM
I dont see the brewers going after any big name closers. you may see them offer a contract, but i dont think that fuentes or hoffmann will sign. after what happened with gagne, or should i say GAG-ne, i dont think the brewers will go after another big market closer. even if the brewers dont sign cc or sheets, i think theyll still go after a starter with the money, maybe wolf or garland. theyll stick with julio as their closer.
Posted by: brewers19101 | December 07, 2008 at 04:11 PM
LOL to the comment above thanks for giving me a good laugh.
"Hudson is a light hitting, poor defensive 2B with declining range."
Yeah so your saying that a second baseman with a 305 batting average( 290-300 consistently) and an ops of 817 is light hitting??? To say he has declining range is ridiculous the man only made 9 errors all season and gives pitchers much needed confidence to know he is behind them where is there a decline? To say that Murphy in a couple of years will have the same range as Hudson (despite the fact that Murphy has never started a major league game at second and Orlando Hudson is a TREMENDOUS defender with nice speed) is so far fetched its unbelievable!
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 07, 2008 at 04:11 PM
Murphy over Hudson?
Hudson a "poor defensive 2B with declining range "?
What's next Church is better than Dunn?
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 07, 2008 at 04:21 PM
Rolling Night Hawk - Hudson is rated at -9 UZR/150 (ultimate zone rating per 150 games).
You can't make errors if you don't get to the ball. You also can't make plays if you don't get to the ball, and that's kind of important when judging a defensive player.
OK. I'll say I was wrong on the hitting part, but his glove is NOT good by any means.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 04:21 PM
If you accidentally skip a line above (as I did) you can read: "The Mets are desperately trying to unload Luis Castillo so they can make a run at another bad contract." Hilarious.
As to the O-Dog being a light-hitting declining fielding 2B, his hitting has always been pretty good for a 2B, but remember that he's been in hitter's parks and, more importantly, that he's 31 years old. I think around he same age that Luis Castillo was when he signed his four-year deal. 2B do not tend to age well into their 30s, and when their defense goes, they don't have another position that they can play.
Posted by: Ari Collins | December 07, 2008 at 04:22 PM
i really wouldnt mind trading castillo for jones then signing hudson. age says it all. hudson is younger than castillo and hasnt recently had surgery on BOTH his knees. talk about range drifting away. obviously jones wouldnt be starting at a corner but he can take off some of the stress of the corners. and who knows, he might find the pop he used to have from the braves hahaha. can someone tell me the numbers on castillo's and jones' contracts?
Posted by: clos79 | December 07, 2008 at 04:24 PM
On a level playing field, I'd take Hudson over Murphy.
When taking the Marcel projections for both Hudson and Murphy, both are estimated to have similar offensive production, so I'll say those two are a wash.
The defensive differences between Hudson and Murphy are NOT good enough to warrant paying 10MM/yr on a 3-4 year deal for Hudson, when Murphy is sitting around for league minimum.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 04:25 PM
I really hope the Phils aren't too serious about Atkins. His road splits are horrendous.
Posted by: PhillyPhan6 | December 07, 2008 at 04:33 PM
I wouldn't call Orlando Hudson a "tremendous" defender, Rolling Hawk.
RZRs for some second basemen around the league:
Mark Ellis: .897
Brandon Phillips: .860
Chase Utley: .839
Brian Roberts: .829
Kelly Johnson: .826
Dustin Pedroia: .826
Jose Lopez: .821
Howie Kendrick: .819
Freddy Sanchez: .818
Dan Uggla: .812
Robinson Cano: .809
Ian Kinsler: .801
Alexi Casilla: .800
Kaz Matsui: .799
Orlando Hudson: .798
Alexei Ramirez: .790
Akinori Iwamura: .787
Hudson ranks toward the bottom, and his .798 mark is right where Castillo's was in 2007.
The comparison is there. As Melonis said... tough to make errors when you can't get to the ball.
Posted by: MorneauVP | December 07, 2008 at 04:36 PM
Im sorry Melonis i always liked your comments but on this one you are dead wrong. Orlando Hudson is a 3 time gold glove winner and was an all star. To say his bat is better than his glove is a horrible opinion. Brandon Webb was quoted as saying that Orlando Hudson was the best defensive second baseman in the big leagues and the reason for his success was because he knew Hudson would help him out if a big play needed to be made. Im sorry but this statement "his glove is NOT good by any means." is by far one of your worst comments on mlbtr.
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 07, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Hudson's plus or minus put him in the top 5 defensive 2b until this past season, which he missed most of due to injury.
He's also a gold glover which is extremely subjective and usually a joke, but rarely given 3 times to horrible defenders.
I don't know what the hell Melonis is blabbering about, he likes to think he has insight we do not.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 07, 2008 at 04:43 PM
MorneauVP: We arent comparing him range wise to the rest of the league. We are comparing him to Dan freakin Murphy who hasnt even played a game at second in his ML career.
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 07, 2008 at 04:44 PM
And like Kenan and Kel stated which i forgot to write about, those stats are the way they are because Hudson was hurt most of this season so i dont know how he would "GET TO THE BALL" when David Eckstein was filling in for him and he was sidelined.
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 07, 2008 at 04:46 PM
"Hudson is a light hitting, poor defensive 2B with declining range."
This is Luis Castillo. Stop confusing the two please.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 07, 2008 at 04:48 PM
''can someone tell me the numbers on castillo's and jones' contracts?''
Well Castillo's contract is 2 years longer but Andruw is owned $9 million more than Castillo next year. I still think Omar is stuck with Castillo and he's going to have to keep him. Andruw Jones is finished. One could only hope that Castillo will at least stay a pesky hitter and come into next season healthy (maybe with that horribly overpaid contract of his, he could buy two new knees?).
I think everyone should pump the brakes on Daniel Murphy. His numbers were trending down at the end of the season and he was starting to come down to earth. Platooning him with Tatis and seeing if he continues his development is probably the best bet before we retire his number.
Posted by: MattyMets | December 07, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Rosenthal must not have listened to Doug Melvin when he repeatedly said he would not be spending money on a big-name closer...
Posted by: MrQuestions | December 07, 2008 at 04:52 PM
By the way, I meant to say that Castillo's contract, with 3 years left, is 2 years longer than Andruw Jones' one-year deal, not that Castillo has two years left on his contract.
Posted by: MattyMets | December 07, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Seriously, anyone calling Hudson a "poor defensive 2b" did you take one second to look anything up?
Obviously there are a variety of metrics but could you point to some that indicate he is anyway a consistent poor defender?
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 07, 2008 at 04:53 PM
MattyMets- I'm not saying the Mets shouldn't have a backup option. If the Mets are going to pursue a 2B, why not sign Ray Durham or someone else to be a bench guy, and let Murphy take the reins. I'm not saying "Murphy will be awesome at 2B". I'm saying the reward is high enough that the Mets should give him a shot, with a backup option ready. That backup might end up being Castillo, if the Mets end up having to keep him. If Murphy ends up being a problem, move him back to the OF or send him to AAA, and trade for a 2B at the deadline.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Kenan and Kel-
Hudson is rated at -9.1 UZR/150 (ultimate zone rating per 150 games). 15th out of 16 MLB qualified 2B.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 05:03 PM
Hudson has also been in the negatives since 2006 (he was really, really good in 2004 and 2005, which could lead to the misconception that he's been really good defensively).
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Last season should be discounted. Three years in the top 5 in plus or minus is not a fluke. Same with range factors and field percentage (yeah I know) consistently above league average.
Maybe he isn't the amazing defender some believe is, but he's not a poor one either.
OPS+ of 102, 106 and 108 in the last three years doesn't indicate a light hitting Luis Castillo in my opinion. But that is another story.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 07, 2008 at 05:10 PM
thanks mattymets for the contracts. look, the mets are shedding a bunch of money off their payroll. obviously theyre not going to try and be the twin of the yankees and spend all their money on FA but if you have the money and the players to fill your needs, go for it. without a doubt hudson is a better 2b than castillo. murphy hasnt completely proved himself in the mlb. all hes done is show his POTENTIAL (keyword to describing murphy). like everyone has said, he hasnt started an mlb game at 2b so who knows what can happen there. now that i know the contracts, i say just trade castillo for jones just becasue you'll only have jones for one year at 9mill. but another question that comes up is what are the chances f-mart will be ready for the next season at all??
sign hudson and as a back-up to hudson have murphy as well as having murphy platoon with the corner LF.
trade heilman and ???? to rays for sonnanstine or jackson. (street is just a younger heilman)
sign K-Rod
...... comments?
Posted by: clos79 | December 07, 2008 at 05:11 PM
"trade heilman and ???? to rays for sonnanstine or jackson. (street is just a younger heilman)"
Nick Evans or Murphy has to be in that deal. Rays won't hand over a starter unless a team hands them an OF.
"what are the chances f-mart will be ready for the next season at all??"
There is a 0.00001% chance F-Mart will be ready for MLB. He hasn't put up dominating numbers at A-ball yet, he is NOT ready for MLB.
"i say just trade castillo for jones just becasue you'll only have jones for one year at 9mill."
You have Jones for 1 year at I think 20MM.
And, you'll need a LOT more than just K-Rod to fix that pen. Trust me. Wagner was a top closer, and the Mets pen was bad with him in it. Same will go for K-Rod.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 05:22 PM
Martinez is in AA, so it might be hard for him to put dominating numbers in A ball.
But yeah it'd be ridiculous to count on him for anything.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | December 07, 2008 at 05:29 PM
without a doubt it takes more than just k-rod, im just saying sign him. im not saying that by signing k-rod the pen will be fixed. i just dont know where we can get many relievers after trading heilman. i mean you can package feliciano or scho with someone but dont know how that would hold up. so its between trading for a starter or a reliever and personally, i would choose starter considering that the starters in FA are going to go fast as hell. plus there are plenty of releivers to choose from out of free agency that wont be ridiculous with their contracts
Posted by: clos79 | December 07, 2008 at 05:34 PM
and if they were planning on signing releivers out of FA then dont trade castillo. whats he at? about 6mill a yr? for 3 yrs
Posted by: clos79 | December 07, 2008 at 05:36 PM
No, you misunderstood the contracts. Jones is making $15 million next year, Castillo $6 million. Hence the $9 million difference.
Melonis - As for Murphy, I just feel like Omar is obligated to play Castillo if he's on the team. Aside from the fact that he will force Jerry Manuel to give him the opportunity to bounce back, he would be getting paid a lot to rot away on the bench. I just think people heard that Murphy was playing second in the AFL and they were automatically jumping at the idea of having Murphy become the team's second baseman without seeing how he'd play there. This is without even thinking about the idea that Murphy might not be the player he was when he was batting .450 his first month in the majors.
However, I DO like the idea of having Murphy being a more versatile player and interchanging between second and left whenever it is suitable. While it would be nice to get rid of Castillo and have Orlando Hudson playing second next year, it's not a plausible idea, especially since the Mets have so many other holes to fill.
Posted by: MattyMets | December 07, 2008 at 05:40 PM
MattyMets-
No.Take into account the signing bonus, and Jones has 17.1MM owed to him in 2009, along with 5MM in deferred signing bonus money owed to him in 2010.
6MM for a bench player is steep, but if it benefits the team more that Castillo sits, he should definitely languish on the bench. Castillo should see a few ABs in the beginning of the season to see if he can bounce back, but if he can't (which is the more likely outcome), he should be relegated to the bench.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 05:51 PM
In Dewan's +/- rankings he was Hudson was the 4th best 2B from 2006-2008. The Fielding Bible voters had him 5th overall last season with guys like Dewan, Neyer, and James all voting him in their top 7's. Those are some pretty smart guys who all seem to think Hudson is still well above average defensively. I'm inclined to think he's been elite defensively until this past season and will slip to average over the course of this next contract.
Posted by: nixa37 | December 07, 2008 at 06:05 PM
"No.Take into account the signing bonus, and Jones has 17.1MM owed to him in 2009, along with 5MM in deferred signing bonus money owed to him in 2010. "
Exactly. Andruw Jones is due 22.1 million over the 2 years, 17.1 million of which is paid in 2009.
No chance in HELL the Mets make that deal, even for Luis Castillo. Financially speaking, the Mets would be better off outright releasing Castillo, since there's little chance Jones will be worth even just the difference in salaries.
That's like suggesting the Mets should take on Carlos Silva, or Barry Zito, or whatever else (extremely) bad contract you want to name. Castillo's deal is bad, but not THAT bad.
Frankly, if the Mets want Orlando Hudson that badly, then perhaps they should start treating the Castillo contract as a sunk cost and just sign Hudson anyways. Stick Castillo on the bench, release him, whatever it takes. It's bold, but no less bold then when the Angels did with Gary Matthews Jr last year when they signed Torii Hunter (Yeah, like him moving to Left Field was ever a good idea).
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | December 07, 2008 at 06:11 PM
''No.Take into account the signing bonus, and Jones has 17.1MM owed to him in 2009, along with 5MM in deferred signing bonus money owed to him in 2010. ''
Yuck. I knew that the contract was $36 million over 2 years and the $15 million figure wasn't adding up right. It's even worse than I thought.
Posted by: MattyMets | December 07, 2008 at 06:27 PM
AdropOFvenom- Exactly. If the money owed was even, I'd say do it, simply to get the money out of the way and free the Mets from the commitment. However, with Castillo owed less money than Jones, the Mets are best off holding on to Castillo, whether it be a release or simply paying him to sit on the bench and fill in when needed.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 07, 2008 at 06:41 PM
The thing about signing a guy like Orlando Hudson that attracts me so much isn't just his abilities as a player. One, he is a very media friendly person, so David Wright could take a little more time before becoming the official "spokesman" so to say of this team. Two, he is YEARNING to play for this team; he cried last year supposedly when hearing about Castillo getting an extension, something all Mets fans cried with him about. Do whatever needs to be done to dump Castillo and get Hudson, he's the perfect fit for us right now.
Posted by: Vinny | December 07, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Ken and Kal
"OPS+ of 102, 106 and 108 in the last three years doesn't indicate a light hitting Luis Castillo"
Where did you get these numbers for Castillo. Baseball-reference has him at 91, 93 and 77 the last three years.
Posted by: WillieMaysField | December 07, 2008 at 09:25 PM