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According to Jon Paul Morosi of the Detroit Free Press, the Tigers continue to have interest in Rangers catcher Gerald Laird. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News says the Tigers "seem to have the most ardent interest" in Laird, and a trade could save Texas nearly $3MM. Grant believes the Reds are another possibility; would they trade Homer Bailey for him? Laird, a Scott Boras client, is under team control for two more seasons.
Morosi says the Tigers also like Miguel Montero of the D'Backs, but the teams don't seem to match up well. Another note - Morosi says the Tigers are not interested in Padres shortstop Khalil Greene.
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Can anyone name any reasonable deal these two teams could work out? The Rangers can't really take on money, so adding to Laird and trying to get Bonderman is out. Obviously the Rangers can't ask for Porcello. But the Tigers farm system has nothing of any real value after that.
Posted by: clark | December 03, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Tigers don't have crap for pitching to offer.
Posted by: kinsler5 | December 03, 2008 at 10:41 AM
I love how now moving Laird is just a salary dump. Laird was actually in demand after his solid first half last year; but Daniels is such a moron he held on to him instead of trading him at the deadline.
Posted by: kinsler5 | December 03, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Remember a couple of years ago when Hicks was going to money-whip Zito away from the Mets only to have the Giants money-whip Zito away from the Rangers? My how times have changed if the Rangers can't afford $3M for Laird.
The Rangers also need a 3B but Inge is suck-worthy and not an option at his salary. I'd have to think that if the Tigers had a quality 3b right now they would be using him. The only other thing the Rangers are looking for is a relief pitcher, preferably a lefty. A loogy plus another prospect might be enough to get Laird.
Posted by: DerekSTheRed | December 03, 2008 at 10:52 AM
If Laird for Homer Bailey is a rumor, then the Tigers have little similar to Bailey to offer the Rangers.
BTW, if I'm the Rangers I take Homer Bailey immediately. Yeah, he's been terrible, but Laird is very expendable. Perhaps the Rangers can duplicate Edinson Volquez, just to their benefit.
I'd like the Tigers to offer one of Hessman, Clevlen, Larish, and Joyce to the D'Backs for Montero. The Tigers would likely have to throw in something extra.
Posted by: scottiedawg | December 03, 2008 at 10:52 AM
>>Tigers don't have crap for pitching to offer.
Heh...heh...the Tigers indeed have a VERY crap pitcher. His name is Dontrelle.
How about a 3 way trade?
Red Sox get: Teagarden
Tigers get: Lugo
Rangers get: Dontrelle
Now that's more like it! ;)
Posted by: el clash combo | December 03, 2008 at 10:57 AM
I wonder if Detroit would be willing to part with Zach Miner.
Another guy I'd be interested in is Rodney, although I doubt Detroit wants to move him.
Kinsler5: I don't think Laird is a salary dump. JD said yesterday that if no one offers fair value, they'd definitely keep all 4 catchers going into next season. I think JD is just trying to get the most he can for Laird.
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | December 03, 2008 at 10:57 AM
1225 career at bats 25 HR'S plus not that good defensively, about .970, that's why Red Sox did not want that trade. Lugo is still avaiable. hahahha
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 03, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I'm not particularly high on Bailey, but Laird for Bailey is an awful deal for the Reds. Hanigan should be adequate behind the plate next year. If the Reds are going to use prospects to acquire a catcher through trade, then he at least ought to be a significant upgrade. Otherwise, the Reds are better off just plucking someone off the FA market (like Bard) and using him in a platoon with or as a backup to Hanigan.
Posted by: AlphaZero | December 03, 2008 at 11:03 AM
"Remember a couple of years ago when Hicks was going to money-whip Zito away from the Mets only to have the Giants money-whip Zito away from the Rangers? My how times have changed if the Rangers can't afford $3M for Laird."
I doubt that the Rangers are actually trying to move him as a salary dump. He's still regarded as a good catcher and he's under control through 2010 so someone will give up something to get him.
I seriously doubt that the Rangers are trying to move Laird because of money. I'd argue it's probably because they have three MLB-ready or near MLB-ready catchers that could easily man the job in 2009 for minimum salary.
These two teams really don't match up at all though. The Rangers could have some interest in Casey Crosby, but he's coming off of surgery, or maybe Guillermo Moscoso, but he doesn't have nearly as much upside.
"BTW, if I'm the Rangers I take Homer Bailey immediately. Yeah, he's been terrible, but Laird is very expendable. Perhaps the Rangers can duplicate Edinson Volquez, just to their benefit."
I'm not sure I get this though.
Obviously if you're Texas and you get offered Bailey for Laird you make that deal before Cincinnati can rethink it. Bailey is a Texas native with a massive arm and ace potential, although he's really fallen apart in the last year.
What I don't get is that supposedly the Reds were talking about sending Bailey and a prospect to the White Sox for Dye, but instead they'll deal Bailey for Laird?
If Bailey still retains enough value to be the centerpiece for a player like Dye, then why waste his value by dealing him for an average catcher like Laird?
Unless the Reds can pry a top notch hitter or a good young catcher away, I don't see why moving Bailey at such low value makes any sense.
I could see a Bailey for Max Ramirez swap, but I doubt the Rangers would even consider moving either of the other two for Bailey.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 03, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Can anyone name any reasonable deal these two teams could work out?
Posted by: clark | December 03, 2008 at 10:40 AM
No.
I'd think a 3rd team would have to be involved for Texas to get the pitching they desperately need as Detroit has little to give.
Otherwise, I just can't see the Tigers finding a more appealing offer for Laird then the Red Sox could put together.
I know Laird isn't the Sox top target of the Texas catchers but if thats all Texas will give up, then I'd think the Sox can beat the Tigers offer given the amount of cost controlled pitching they could offer.
Only other way I see Texas dealing Laird to Detroit is if they feel Max Ramirez could be their backup catcher next year; in which case they would still be looking to trade Salty or Teagarden for the pitching and could deal Laird for salary relief instead. That seems like a bad idea to me though.
Posted by: KangarooBoxer26 | December 03, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I have read countless bloggers propose the Laird-for-Bailey deal, but I haven't once ever read anything that suggests Cincy would ever consider such a deal. All I've read from them is that they are planning to hold onto Bailey - that trading him now when his value has declined sharply would be stupid, since he is a first rounder.
Probably about 90% of what we read on this site is utter bull crap. Nonetheless, I still check Tim's page religiously, ever single day. :)
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | December 03, 2008 at 11:16 AM
let me clarify....having Max Ramirez as the backup catcher next year is a bad idea from a business point of view.
Why start the clock on his arbitration/free agency to sit him on the bench.
He could also use some time to develop at AAA as he hasn't spent much time above AA yet, but regardless, why start the clock on this kid if he is just going to sit the bench.
Posted by: KangarooBoxer26 | December 03, 2008 at 11:19 AM
I do think Texas will try very hard to move Laird, and not for the salary dump. He was quite vocal last season about not getting enough playing time, and he was not on board with a catcher platoon. I don't think Texas wants to hear his moaning all season long again.
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | December 03, 2008 at 11:19 AM
cincy would never trade bailey for a backup catcher in laird id rather roll with hanigan than deal bailey for an overweight backup
Posted by: redsfan | December 03, 2008 at 11:19 AM
I must not understand the "clock" rules, since didn't Texas already "start the clock" on him by promoting him last season - twice? Please explain.
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | December 03, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Huh? Laird wasn't overweight last year. He actually showed exceptional speed for a catcher. He was bunting for hits last season. And he's definitely not just a 'backup' catcher. He has proven he can hit for a decent average, and he's a top 10 catcher defensively if only because of his throwing arm.
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | December 03, 2008 at 11:23 AM
"cincy would never trade bailey for a backup catcher in laird id rather roll with hanigan than deal bailey for an overweight backup"
Totally agree that Hanigan deserves a spot over some mediocre veteran.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 03, 2008 at 11:31 AM
scribble: In fantasy baseball, Laird is definitely a "mediocre veteran." But in real baseball, Laird is a very good defensive player who can hit for average, who has good doubles power, has good speed for the position, and is one of the best in throwing out base stealers in all of baseball. That's not "mediocre."
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | December 03, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Yeah that was poor phrasing on my part.
Laird is very good behind a plate but he really isn't that much of a hitter. A career OBP of .306 and an OPS+ of 79 is not good. Now I know he's better than that but he's really not going to give you more than a .280/.340/.440 line. He's a fine player but you don't use prospects or block younger players with a guy like him.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 03, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Wow - fair-mindedness in a blog comment! I'm impressed, scribble. You've restored my faith in humanity at least for today. :)
Yeah, I think you're right. He's (Laird) the kind of guy who can help you, and if he can stay healthy, could be a solid complimentary player. If you're counting on him to hit a bunch of homers, it isn't going to happen. He doesn't have that kind of a swing.
And as you can see above, I don't believe that the Bailey for Laird rumors are grounded in any reality whatsoever. Cincy would be really foolish to sell low on a guy (Bailey) with that kind of an upside.
Sadly, Laird would probably be a great fit for Detroit, since they have a full cache of strong offensive players, and they wouldn't have to count on much from Laird. Too bad they can't spare any pitching. Maybe, like someone above posted, it'll be a 3 way deal.
Should be an exciting next week!
Posted by: J the Dizzolla | December 03, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I know this has nothing to do with his catching abilities but I went to high school and played little league with Laird, and let me tell you the guy is a complete narcissist, so it doesnt surprise me that there are rumors that he whines about playing time.
Posted by: RAWbert | December 03, 2008 at 01:52 PM
If the Reds are going to go hard after a Catcher then why not Bengie Molina?
He is better than all the other Cacthers mentioned and he has value on Offense AND Defense.
If they don't go after Molina then they should just sign David Ross and be done with it.
Posted by: ctownboy | December 03, 2008 at 04:13 PM