Edwin Jackson Traded For Matt Joyce

Dang. Looks like the Bucs won't be getting him.

Tigers really need pitching. Is Joyce going to replace Baldelli?

I think the rays could get more. Heck if I was Doug Melvin I would give up Lorenzo Cain straight up for Jackson if that is all it will take.

good stuff, command is an issue at times.

Good deal for both clubs- Detroit gets a middle of the rotation starter and Tampa gets a RF ...

Not bad.

STEAL for the Tigers.

Man, Jackson for... Joyce??

I mean, I thought Jackson would worth more than that

Jackson looks pretty smoke and mirrors to me. With that high a whip and low strike out numbers he ERA should have been higher then it was. Joyce is a solid young OF. Don't think they would have gotten much more with the current market. Add to the fact that the Rays probably have three or four arms that are better then Jackson in the minors to replace him and its a easy deal to make.

Its a good deal for the Tigers, and it fills the major need for the Rays, without adding payroll. I like it from both sides.

I think they could have gotten more for Jackson, but remember they basically had to deal one of their starters, they didnt have room, nor did they want to pay the money he had coming through arb.

Looks like the Tigers are going to overpay yet again for another overrated Florida pitcher. Maybe they'll be smart this time and not instantly give him an undeserved extension.

Edwin Jackson is not a good pitcher.

"glad to see tampa sell out on the young arms that made them so successful in the first place"

Except for the fact that their rotation is still filled out, and Jackson was their worst starter last year AND arbitration eligible.

Unless you REALLY think Matt Joyce is a bust, this is a stupid deal for the Tigers.

edwin has the stuff but no control. would have like them to at least get platoon guy who could hit lefties as it was one of their biggest holes. holding out hope they find a way to sign milton bradley.

For all of you saying it's a steal for the respective teams-

remember there could always be another piece involved.

"For all of you saying it's a steal for the respective teams-

remember there could always be another piece involved."

Oh yeah. Absolutely. We have to wait and see. But the way the deal is constructed now, its called a steal.

They couldve gotten J Dye!!

This years E Volquez and J Hamilton?

I would say it's a steal for both teams

The Rays give Price an opportunity to start at the Major League level as well as receive a cheap solution for the longterm in RF

The Tigers get a durable middle of the rotation starter who has good stuff and only have to give up one of their many OF's.

So awesome we got a RF. I didn't really want Nando and Gross to platoon all season.

Now we can have Aybar at DH or sign Bradley/Giambi/Abreu/Ibanez

"Now we can have Aybar at DH or sign Bradley/Giambi/Abreu/Ibanez"

Aybar at DH and Joyce at RF is a horrible idea in terms of offensive production. IT just won't cut it in the AL East. The Rays have about 15MM to spend. Unless they're planning to spend most of it on Fuentes and the bullpen, they should go out and sign a DH. Especially in this market.

im not a fan of either team but ithink this is a pretty even trade. the rays get a RF which is probally there biggest needs and the tigers get a solid consistent pitcher in the middle of there staff

Well....we competed and won the AL East with a worse offense last season. Plus, I don't think we have 15 mil to spend but if we do then I would love Aybar at DH and a stud reliever sighed.

"Well....we competed and won the AL East with a worse offense last season. Plus, I don't think we have 15 mil to spend but if we do then I would love Aybar at DH and a stud reliever sighed."

Or Fuentes and Juan Rivera, who is an improvement over Aybar.

How much do the Rays have to spend, if not 15MM. Jackson would free up more payroll (about 1-2MM). Not a Rays fan here, so don't know.

Man I can remember the summer of '05 getting back from Iraq and visiting family in Vegas and checking out a game at Cashman Field---Edwin got absolutely RAKED by the Sacto Riverdogs (Dioner Navarro eventually caught that game as a defensive replacement in something like a 22-9 loss) and I was convinced he was pretty much done, and soon he left in one of those multiple Dodger/Rays trades that took place those couple years. But between then and now he's added a 3rd pitch (changeup? haven't been paying that close of attention) and he's been coming back. He's still young, and expectations may have been too high after dominating Randy Johnson in his debut in '03; but if this goes through and you're a Tiger fan, you'll probably be happy with this deal.

the rays will fill the pen with their starting surplus.

they should sign giambi for a year..

Good deal for both teams. Tigers have plenty of offense and managed to pick up a young SP with upside who's inexpensive. Rays pick up a potential 20 hr guy to answer their RF needs.

No this does not address the Tigers need for a closer
This is a good trade for both teams
Each player has a decent ceiling they could reach
However, the Tigers still need to solidify the bullpen
Sign Fuentes or Lyon somehow
Hesitant to sign Cruz, and Cordero would be interesting

Chastain is making me worried.

Watch this trade be debunked/called BS.

Jackson will regress to a high 4s ERA this year. Don't like this for Detroit.

it says the Rays added an outfielder to the deal save a few million. I checked the payroll for the Rays and the only OF making over 1 mil is Carl Crawford..could he be the guy??

Smoltz on a one year deal would be interesting for the Tigers.

Hoffman also would be a nice stop gap to see if Zumaya can regain the form that made him the closer in waiting back in 06.

Fifth outfielder???

LMAO.

actually, Matt Joyce is/was my second favorite Tiger (Granderson being the first) He'll be my favorite Ray now.

and yes Joyce is a fifth outfielder...at least he would be on the tigers with Thames being the fourth.

i like Joyce, but we desperately need pitching...and we will when the deal is final. i guess Robertson or Bonderman is headed to the Pen?

Great deal for the Rays.

Anyone saying the Rays got fleeced... how so? Jackson's about as inefficient headcase as you can come by. On top of that, he's arbitration eligible, while Joyce is just 24 and under control for the next six years.

Jackson's mustered a sub-5.00 ERA once, has massive control problems (108:77 K:BB ratio), and is moving to an inferior defensive team which will only hurt him.

Rays get the better end of this one.

Sign Cruz, Beimel and Cordero(Minor League Deal).

the thing that no one ever mentions is that what happens if the tigers pitchers have bounce back years. If knapp can get our pitchers back to throwing strikes we got a pretty solid rotation. Verlander going back to his 06 07 form. Bonderman coming back healthy with 2 to 3 mph added to his stuff, galarraga continuing where he left off. Then we have jackson, robertson who you never know, can regain some of his old form and throw his slider again. Then you have dontrelle, another option to bounce back. The tigers will sign a veteran pitcher no matter what. And add a good closer, no top of the line closer, because we havent spent much this offseason. We need a good closer thats proven he can close games. And what if zumaya comes back and stops hurting himself. Rodney is a lost cause. We have a pitchers that have shown they can be amazing at times, just lost their game. If we can have bounce back years, dont count us out. If we dont have bounce back years, well then lets get ready for another 08.

"Sign Cruz, Beimel and Cordero(Minor League Deal)."

Beimel was awesome in LA, still has the knack of limiting the long ball but gave up some key hits. If he can regain the consistency, he'd be a great pickup. Juan Cruz, my opinion is everybody has keyed in on his two-seamer, he hasn't been fooling anybody. Cordero is a sleeper if he's healthy. Ya'll know the capital "IF" thang.

i totally agree. i just gotta think positive. we need to dump sheff. and thames can hit the ball, but did you see him at the end of the season in left field, he makes carlos look like a gold glove. leyland should have never shifted the d around. i believe carlos could play ss still. they all talk about his bad knees, but if im not mistaken, wasnt it his horrible back and hemerhoids that kept him out for 1/4 of the season? Jair should have been in our rotation for 08. no question about it. We need a good closer, and two or three pitchers in the pen. I believe they kept larrish as either more trade bait or to replace inge when his horrid contract expires.

I want to have hope that this new pitching coach can really help out our pitchers. he worked with the twins minor leaguers and the only thing twins have besides m and m is a solid solid pitching staff that throws a ton of strikes. All our pitchers, and i mean all couldnt throw strike, or throw a strike for a strike out.

people complain about our new signings, but who cares if evrett cant hit, and who cares if they say laird gave up on texas and complained. both have been proven players for their defense. we dont need 9 players who hit 25 hr 75 rbi each. thats why we have grandy, maggs, and cabby. if guillen can stay healthy and sheff can stop complaining and is actually as healthy as he says, we get to see one guy come back from a crappy year and another guy hit his 500 hr.

but now im just rambling. i dont get to talk baseball much.

to see joyce go i mean

Woah, I'm shocked at this, but I love this deal. Even though Jackson pitched a little above his peripheral stats, he gets out of the AL East into the biggest ball park in the AL Central. Joyce looked like a pretty good player (he almost slugged .500), but you always trade hitting for an equal amount of pitching.

Out of the box thought, the Tigers should try and make him a closer, a lot of his problems have always come when trying to get the line up a second time. If he only had to throw 1 inning, 96-97mph could easily become 100.

Potential wise, steal for the Tigers. But if that potential goes to waste, Rays win.