White Sox Have Inside Track On Abreu?

"He adds that Johan Santana is pushing the Mets to sign Abreu."

Doubt it. Mets already have Church in RF and he's much better defensively. He's not afraid to go to the wall.

Maybe Kenny wants a left-handed bat in the middle of the line-up? But I see what you are saying about Dye and Abreu bein similar players.

I love you Johan but your by yourself on this one

I agree with striker. If the Sox get Abreu with a 3 year deal, they only have 1 extra year (compared to Dye's deal) and could potentially use Dye to pick up some pitching.
Abreu + prospects > Dye

Oh for the love of god let the Mutts sign Abreu. He would fit right in. He is a dog.

Abreu in Chicago...no problem if it is the south side.

"Doubt it. Mets already have Church in RF and he's much better defensively. He's not afraid to go to the wall."

Or run into it.

Rather have Abreu than Church.

Dominican Yanks obviously wants the Mutts to win....NOT!

"Just curious, why are there so many Abreu haters out there?"

I wouldn't say I'm a hater but I'll just say that Abreu wasn't one of my favorite Phillies.

He doesn't play with much desire and his work ethic is questionable. His biggest upside as a Phillie was his high OBP (he takes walks) but even that has slipped a bit lately. He is a butcher in RF and won't make a play on anything hit over his head. He's not a guy that's going to deliver a big hit. His production would be fine for a second baseman but you would expect more from a RF.

Why the Sox would sign Abreu and then trade Dye:

1) Abreu would be signed through 2010 or 2011, Dye is only signed through 2009.

2) Abreu is left-handed and the Sox expect to lose Thome after 2009.

3) Sox can get a pitcher (maybe Homer Bailey) for Dye, so they are essentially getting Abreu + pitcher in place of Dye.

4) Abreu could potentially bat 2nd, and the Sox currently have NOBODY suited for that spot in the order.

So, there are a lot of good reasons for the Sox to do this.

a #2 hitter? what about a leadoff hitter. We need a guy with speed that can get on base for all the power hitters.
i hope we keep dye and use him as a DH after thome is gone.
we need a cf, solid 2b, and another good starter.

It doesn't make sense to keep Dye as the new DH, then we would have 9 right handed bats in the lineup. Kenny knows we need a CF, 2b and a starter and he can get that starter by trading Dye and replace him with Abreu who brings a higher OBP and speed. This move makes complete sense for next season and the seasons to come.

Who ever is playing 2nd will be in the 2 hole in the batting order -- or A.J Pierzynski is a good candidate

Abreu has 318 career SB's. Konerko has 7.

Palehose*

he probably meant a power hitting lefty after thome leaves... If we can get a good return for dye then so be it. when is lance berkman a FA? that'd be a dream come true.
I just really hope the whitesox get a furcal type guy (say we got furcal, keep alexei at 2nd for now or move him to center)

I like baseball-

if you think those guys are in our future then you are mistaken. Getz will get his shot in 09, then he is replaced by Beckum. Jerry Owens will not be a starter in chicago. He lacks every baseball skill except speed. AJ is getting old and is on his way out. Now I was referring to the 2010 season when saying Dye would be the DH and I don't think any of these players will be in the lineup then. So relax there buddy, I am well aware of who the White Sox employ I just don't think any of those guys are in the white sox 2010 plans...

First of all it's Beckham not Beckum

Seondly, I don't know if you are aware that Getz was in the Futures game, you are counting people out with out having a chance yet -- some fan you are.

Thirdly, how quickly you forget what Owens showed at the end of '07, lacks every baseball skill huh? Tell me, what does he lack? I'm in dire need to know

Then you go off and say that "A.J is getting old" you really don't know your team too well, A.J is but 31, just because he's been around on the Sox now for some time doesn't mean he's "old"

You also don't know your front office too claiming that Getz, Nix, Owens and every other young talent the Sox have aren't going to be around for the 2010 season hahahaha

So I suggest you relax pal, you are ignorant about the whole situation for the Sox right now

Do some research please

I like trading Dye if and ONLY IF we can be certain that Abreu will sign with us. Abreu has had 20+ SB for the last 10 seasons. His HR could improve because of hitting in U.S. Cellular. His 100+ RBI total 7 of the last 8 seasons replaces Dye's easily.

Granted he is 34 but he isn't the same 34 as Dye... if that makes sense to all of you.

Abreu, Pitcher, Prospect > Dye

I'm all for it

Tough! I didn't know you were a Sox fan too, right on

But yea, that deal would be greater for the Abreu side

I'd be all for it too
Dye isn't to limber out in the field and Abreu can run faster

Tough, Owens is terrible. Juan Pierre and Willy Taveras are also terrible. That comparison really shows he lacks all baseball skills besides speed.

Also - saying Getz won't be in the lineup in 2010 is NOT ludicrous (not like the rapper, sorry) - he's unproven, and I'm not sure the power spike in 2008 was a sign of things to come rather than a fluke. I hope that he does well, but definitely wouldn't be on it. Of course, I felt similarly about Alexei.

A lot to respond to here.

"You also don't know your front office too claiming that Getz, Nix, Owens and every other young talent the Sox have aren't going to be around for the 2010 season hahahaha"

Every other young talent or did I refer to 2 players, getz and owens? I'm not sure how that led you to assume I have no faith in the young talent, I just don't see these guys making a consistent effort in our starting lineup.

By 2010 I believe that Viciedo, Ramirez and Beckham will be playing 3rd, ss, and 2nd. That's not to say that Getz doesn't have enough talent to contribute as a utility player, I just believe that Beckham will have more talent and take that job from him. I'm counting him out because I think we have a star in Beckham in the minors.

How does that make me a bad fan?

I don't have much faith in Jerry Owens and I don't see him making it in the big leagues. First he is in his late 20's. If he hasn't been good yet what makes you think he will peak once he turns 30. Second, he has a low OBP(.321) a low avg(.268) and 69k's compared to 27 walks, which is not good for a potential leadoff hitter looking to get on base. (all career numbers).

In regards to AJ and getting older: Catching is a tough position on the body and I think there are signs of AJ's body wearing down, which in 2 years may affect his production. It was seen this year when he tailed off at the end of the season with a dramtic drop in production. I think in 2 years it will only be worse and maybe Flowers will be up and ready to have the torched passed on(assuming his defensive questions are answered)

I don't think I am ignorant to this situation at all. I believe that Kenny is making some great moves right now to build up the farm system, while also making this team able to compete for the division title in 2009. Personally I think that moving Dye for prospects+Abreu is a perfect fit for the sox and i think many agree. Abreu gives the sox an increase in OBP and speed that dye lacked while providing a similar average and RBI total. Abreu also provides that lefty bat when Thome is gone to keep the oppostions pitching staff off balance. On top of that we would get 2-3 prospects which would continue to build up our farm system and help for the 2009 season and on.

I hope i made myself "more clearer" on what i was referring to.

KSWISSREJECT -

Pierre is not terrible - 5 out of his 8 full-time seasons he has hit over .290

He averages 54 SB a year and his walk / K totals equal each other.

Like I said before he may not be an all-star caliber player but he certainly is an average player that brings the element of speed with a decent BA.

Defensively Pierre has a 99% career fielding percentage in CF.

If Owens could hit 280 with 50+ SB and play almost perfect defense he will be on this team.

I retract my comparison to Taveras because he is terrible, I just threw him out there because a lot of Sox fans wanted to trade for him early this off season.

Making you a bad fan was a bad choice of words, my bad, you're just a fair weathered fan

"but palhose, i will respond to your entirely later, for what i read, owens and getz + pierzynski in there too, you can't go off claiming that young players won't prosper with out giving them a full season, it's just not how it works"

It is my opinion that Beckham will take getz's 2B spot in 2010. It is my opinion that a 28 year old CF who has proven nothing will not prosper for the white sox. If you read my posts, which i am starting to think that you aren't, then you will see that I never said Getz will be a bust I merely said that I think Beckham will be better. I'm not sure how this makes you vehemently angry that I would take such an outlandish position as that Beckham might be better than Getz, but for some reason it does and it just points out further what i said in my previous post illustrating your arrogant nature on this message board.

Oof, this Jerry Owens stuff is brutal. I Like Baseball, I get that you like baseball and all, but I'm pretty sure that (1) Jerry Owens is not getting any better considering he'll be 28 when '09 spring training rolls around; (2) Jerry Owens is not going to play "perfect" defense, because he has the arm of a 9-year old girl and has to rely on his speed to make up for terrible reads; and (3) you're talking up a guy who went .276/.346/.316 (.316!) in one of the easiest little ballparks in which to hit in all of pro ball. And who had nearly 400 PA's in '07, and sucked in those, too. We have seen what he can do at the major league level, and I have no idea why anyone would want to see him do it more.

Why do my fellow Sox fans think leadoff hitter is a position? IT IS NOT. I could give a crap how many bases Jerry Owens steals since his complete inability to hit anything other than a single washes out any tangible benefit the swipes provide. Yeah, the Sox are old and slow, but that doesn't mean you give the most PA's on the team to a guy with no OBP skills who can't hit the ball out of the infield or play a decent CF.

Sorry if the fact I understand why Jerry Owens is terrible makes me "fair-weathered," but the guy's simply not an everyday major league baseball player.

Palehose -

I absolutely agree with you that Beckham will be better than Getz. However if Getz pans out the way I think he will, he becomes one of those players the Sox need to find a position for.

As far as Owens goes, His speed is irreplaceable. We all know that we need speed, Owens is the only viable source that we have in the majors or minors, therefore he will have a job until something better comes along.
In the meantime, he will have a shot, two, or three, to prove he is worthy of playing time even if something comparable comes along.

Who is that something better? I am not seeing anyone. Most of the speedsters out there are costing millions of dollars and teams are reluctant on trading young speedsters because we all know that baseball is making its way back to the quicker game rather than the big boppers.

alvaldes44-

I'm not sure what you are saying...

"its not with i like baseball for a sox player to be great at every position, i didnt get that from what i read"

What does that even mean. Then you go on to say that I Like Baseball has presented FACTS??? Really what FACTS has he presented to us. In all his posts all I have seen are STATEMENTS and OPINIONS.

He has said...
First of all it's Beckham not Beckum
Seondly, I don't know if you are aware that Getz was in the Futures game, you are counting people out with out having a chance yet -- some fan you are.
Thirdly, how quickly you forget what Owens showed at the end of '07, lacks every baseball skill huh? Tell me, what does he lack? I'm in dire need to know
Then you go off and say that "A.J is getting old" you really don't know your team too well, A.J is but 31, just because he's been around on the Sox now for some time doesn't mean he's "old"
You also don't know your front office too claiming that Getz, Nix, Owens and every other young talent the Sox have aren't going to be around for the 2010 season hahahaha
So I suggest you relax pal, you are ignorant about the whole situation for the Sox right now
Do some research please

AND this...
now, cutting to the chase -- since when does minor league success guarantee a good MLB career? since when do they make call ups for kids that hit .250 and no run production, everyone starts somewhere so that was totally irrelevant, how do you think all these super stars made it? hitting .260 in the minors and high K rates didn't get 'em there.
I like JD too although it looks as if he's barely running when he chases down a fly ball or one hit to the corner
as for the Danks and Floyd situation, yes, they have proven themselves, trust me, trust ozzie and williams
but palhose, i will respond to your entirely later, for what i read, owens and getz + pierzynski in there too, you can't go off claiming that young players won't prosper with out giving them a full season, it's just not how it works
so far what i've read is still not making sense
and who ever said that Juan Pierre sucks along with Willy
do you follow baseball?
Pierre, averages 50SB and has a career BA of .300..........which Juan Pierre are you lookin at
for Willy, the 'kid' is but 26

These are his opinions and I fail to see what you read here that provided facts to agree with him. When I Like Baseball says what I said 'doesn't make sense' that translates to me as not agreeing with my opinion. He for some reason doesn't understand that difference but I do. I am pretty sure everything is clear and easy to follow as everyone else has had no issues understanding it. So I Like Baseball i accept that you disagree with my opinions but I will not listen to your arrogant responses aimed at me being a 'bad' or 'fair weathered fan' because using your opinions against mine doesn't win an argument, it just shows arrogance.

Alvaldes- I think you should read what you type before your post and make sure it makes sense because the 'reality of facts' you are pointing out don't exist. You may agree with his opinion on the 2010 lineup but that is it there are no facts here. And the sox aren't going after Manny, as he is still seeking a 6 year deal, his agent is Boras who Reinsdorf hates and we haven't signed a 20 million dollar man for over a decade...

jneely77 -- case of the Hawk Harrellson disease huh? no, i just think it's a little out of proportion to claim that young players won't be in team's plans and to go ahead and presume that they won't when they haven't played a season is completely absurd -- now, i ain't claiming Getz and Owens will be substantially good, I'm just simply saying that you can't go ahead and say they aren't going to pan out, Owens is going to be 28, yes, i know, look at Anderson... Owens has the speed, he can flash some leather too, he's a lefty (for politics) Owens had 2 ERORRS! in '07 that was in 709 innings 208 put outs, you tell me, what's wrong with that? he also played another 39 innings in Right which he had none -- i'm stating stats right now, something PALEHOSE forgot to check it seems, now if you comeback saying, "duhh oh, well, that doesn't mean he's gonna be good" then that shows just how much of a hypocrite you are and how arrogant you are, he didn't get the chance last year cause if you forgot he was injured at the start of spring training and they acquired Swisher before hand just in case Owens shot when down the drain, now he gets that shot again, hopefully, if he doesn't repeat last year,
so that statement was completely "irrelevant" as for you PALEHOSE

remember, fellow ally here, sox fans, vehemently angry? nice vocab by the way but i'm not "FIERCELY" angry, it's just putting opinions on facts and stats that aren't there yet is inadequate. For what is set in stone right now, Owens is going to platoon with Anderson in Center -- you still haven't stated what is wrong with Owens as to why you think he lacks baseball "skills" for the minor leagues -- what does this make you? a almanac/dictionary on baseball? i don't know how many times i could have read the word arrogant in the post about me having 0 sense and having little intelligence on the game of baseball, your personal PECOTA doesn't have any support to it either, you wrote two paragraphs just enhancing the same thing over and over again to try and put yourself out as someone that thinks they are superior, yet you call me the arrogant one?

For the baseball part though -- you "contradict" yourself too much, you haven't said anything on the Owens topic of him being horrible, you haven't stated why you would think Beckham will be better than Getz, which i mean, he could probably, but Beckham hasn't even played a full season of professional baseball yet, so logic is lacking behind that, yea you can say, "oh well he hit .310 with 3 HRs and 13 RBI's" but see, consistency, playing triple digit games plays a factor in that -- you can't go off claiming, "oh he showed signs of superiority over Getz" when the guy has only played 14 games of Short A ball

Oh and as far as the whole walking around and contradicting what i said.... where did you connect superstars and having great minor league numbers?? it gives them a chance, i'm not quite sure if you know the meaning of irrelevance
So before you go off writing pointless rants on someone's "baseball intelligence" which i'm pretty sure you felt good about your post, you should try and not make yourself out to be this hypocrite and please support what you're saying with Beckham over Getz and how Owens has no baseball skills

PALEHOSE

You think you have a fan base of some sort, talking so highly and trying to sh*t on everyone's thoughts, for you say you have facts, they are all opinions, stop thinking like you're a baseball goddess

you give the Sox fans a bad rep

I only said I had opinions A1Steak5 and I am only targeting I Like Baseball for the reason you are attacking me, read the thread, all i did was have an opinion and he verbally attacked me, I'm not allowed to respond??? Please...

hahahahahaha PALEHOSE, that is the first time you even referred to Owens' offense let alone just how he plays, .286 in 90 games are poor huh?

yea
go ahead and judge him some more with his 16 AB numbers

hahaha, you are the biggest hypocrite, you dug yourself a hole
but it's alright, i forgive you

like an* intelligent

sry, i had a tran. in thought

i sure as h3ll hope so

i wish Rocco Baldelli would come to the Reds

powerful and young

I didn't like the idea of trading Dye for prospects...til today! I'm feeling pretty good about the Sox if they can sign Abreu and Move Dye for a Bailey + ...I want to stress the plus! Gotta be a Dickerson or ? But the Sox have the money right now to sign Furcal! Thay ditched Swisher, Cabrera, and Vazquez! Now go sign Furcal, move Ramirez to center and trade Thome...Him and Broadway should bring Roberts! Sox would have to eat some salary probably, but look at that line up!

more like before PALEHOSE decides to post his stupidity again, i'd like to say he is just a flaming idiot

on topic now.. rfro, youre idea is perfect...in a perfect world, keep dreaming about that though n alexei ramirez is the SS for years to come, he doesnt want to play center and Ozzie's plan is to keep him at short. as for the inside track on Bobby boy id love to acquire him, thatd make me smitten, Abreu over Dye

this whole Abreu + prospects > Dye is really how it should be looked at, thatd give Kenny a lot more respect

Oh, to respond to your "4)" no, you're being a pessimistic homer about Beckham and Flowers, Tyler Flowers isn't even most likely going to catch when he makes it to "the show" you really need to do research, cause you set yourself out to be not only a hypocrite, but a homer as well

As for you ChicagoWhiteS0xFan, explain what you disagree with me about, everything you said in your post is what I said earlier, I agree 100% about the abreu deal. Now if you disagree on getz, owens and AJ then thats a different story but it doesn't seem unreasonable that they won't all be starting in 2010, but that may be just my stupidity, only time will tell...

honestly it is ridiculous you to dragging this on lets get serious abreu would be great .300 BA 100+ rbi we dont have that really with anyone legitly in out line up except Q who can do that and you know his HR are gonna go up in the cell and as for Getz hes just keeping the spot warm for Beckham and if he preforms well find some where in the infield for him i think this is a great move and if owens is half as good a pierre was during his time with florida we really have something because honestly we need some one who can lead off and get on base once we get the log jam out of the middle either thome or konerko perferrably konerko out of there we would be good even though i was one of those people who was calling for the konerko deal at the time, but did any one see him dropping off this much?

lol well there's a fine line between player predictions and future plans

and youre flirtin' with it
sorry youre actually not, i just said that cause its a quote from Remember the Titans

you dont know the difference
which makes you a raging idiot

XD hahahahahaha

i rest my case

I like how he stopped posting
XD

You have to be one of PALEHOSE's bum fake account or something

no one can be this stupid