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3:58pm: Joel Sherman says the Red Sox were at eight years, $168MM, so the Yankees outbid them by $12MM.
3:38pm: The contract does not include an opt-out clause, according to Danny Knobler. Knobler agrees with Olney that the Red Sox fell about $10MM short. He says the Sox are not inclined to react by "stepping up their pursuit of Derek Lowe or any other top starting pitcher."
2:55pm: Olney now agrees it's an eight-year, $180MM deal ($22.5MM per year). Bill Madden says Teixeira told the Yankees he preferred them all along, after the Angels and Red Sox backed off. Ha. Joel Sherman says the Yankees made this decision with the 2010 season in mind, given the weak free agent market. He says they'll now attempt to trade one of Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nady, and Nick Swisher.
2:26pm: Buster Olney says the Yankees have reached an agreement with Teixeira on an eight-year deal worth more than $170MM.
Aside from the Red Sox, the Brewers and Blue Jays also lose here. Each team's draft pick from the Yanks is pushed back one round - the Brewers get a second-rounder from them for C.C. Sabathia, the Jays get their third-round pick for A.J. Burnett.
2:17pm: According to Jon Heyman, the Yankees are on the verge of signing Mark Teixeira to an eight-year, $180MM deal with a full no-trade clause.
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i cannot see how any yankee fans can defend this move.
Posted by: Ivdown | December 23, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Defend what?? That our owners dont pocket the money they make but are dedicated to winning.
Posted by: Dynasty26 | December 23, 2008 at 04:40 PM
Baseball is a great equalizer in things like this. Look at the Rays last year. You still have to go out and perform.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 23, 2008 at 04:42 PM
The Yankees were responding to the Red Sox signing Tazawa to a 3 yr 3 million dollar contract.
Posted by: SierraM | December 23, 2008 at 04:42 PM
YanksFanSince78,
You gotta have DirecTV to get YES Network outside of the NY area.
Posted by: C.K. | December 23, 2008 at 04:43 PM
Moves like these make me appreciate what the Rays did last year with their small payroll....even though I hate them too, lol
Posted by: Cinco Ocho | December 23, 2008 at 04:44 PM
whitesoxfan424 -
"I think seattle giving up ichiro for melky, swish and a SP would be a great haul, considering all are young, talented and under control for years"
You must be nuts. Ichiro is not going anywhere. He is basically the only draw for the Mariners and if they did trade Ichiro, there attendance would rival the Marlins and Rays. He puts butts in the seats, period!
Posted by: dpncharge | December 23, 2008 at 04:44 PM
This was a great move by Ca$hmoney.
Swooping in from nowhere and stealing Tex from the Sox makes this so much better
Posted by: Dynasty26 | December 23, 2008 at 04:44 PM
yankees should bail us out of this economic crisis if the can throw money like this
Posted by: gmac | December 23, 2008 at 04:45 PM
This is awesome! As a Cleveland fan who loves soaking in the misery of obnoxious NY fans, this could not have worked out better! With the highest expectations ever, we get to watch as they, the Yanks, fall on their faces. Then we get to watch them get their hopes up with Lebron as he toys with them over the next 2 years, only to see those dreams crushed too! As a consolation to you Yanks fans, this should ensure at least a wild card...Tex, CC and Arod are GREAT regular season players.
And to those bi*ching about the cap, buying a championship via free agency has generally been an unsuccessful strategy. Enjoy it, it will make it all the more fun when these Yankee "fans" are on this board calling Cashman an idiot 8 months from now.
Posted by: wimbley95 | December 23, 2008 at 04:46 PM
All I can say its about time the Yankees signed someone.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 23, 2008 at 04:46 PM
Rumor Central on ESPN.com now says sources are indicating Andy Pettitte is considering re signing with the Yankees. Not a surprise since he will be pitching 5th in the rotation and has a shot at twenty wins pitching against the other teams number fives.
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 23, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Hey Ross, how do you subscribe to the Yes channel? I'm in Cleveland and have been trying to do the same but don't find it listed on any of my cable providers? If you can point me in the right direction I woul appreciate it dude.
i have been trying to find it in CA, and the only way is with direct TV
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | December 23, 2008 at 04:47 PM
I agree that the fan attendence would go down with an ichiro trade. But what are the mariners playing for? They might as well trade some bigger players (beltre/ichiro), and restock the organization with young mlb ready talent and start building for 2010/2011. With those two guys alone, they'd be able to get a pretty great return.
Posted by: whitesoxfan424 | December 23, 2008 at 04:48 PM
"Not unless the Reds are willing to give up Bruce or Volquez, which I doubt."
Uh, the starting price for Xavier Nady, Hideki Matsui, Nick Swisher, or Damon would not be Bruce or Volquez.
Posted by: CubbyFan23 | December 23, 2008 at 04:51 PM
they will make the playoffs. if thats what you want all that money to buy you. but to win the world series you need unity. unity of the team and unity of the press to the team. as soon as they start to slide in a game the press are gonna rape the team for it. causing a downfall.
Posted by: gmac | December 23, 2008 at 04:59 PM
I guess Boston doesn't want to win next year :(
Posted by: theillien | December 23, 2008 at 05:00 PM
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Beautiful.
All the mindless masses croning on about their hatred for the Yankees all over again. And the totally ironic thing, their payroll will still be equal to, or less than last years.
Top notch move. I love it.
And to the guy who said,
"If the yankees dont win the world series they will be the laughing stock of the mlb..."
Money does not win games.
All money does is give you a good collection of players who give you a good chance. So many people say that 'oh the yankees will buy another world series' and it's the stupidest thing they could say! It only proves they know zero about baseball.
Posted by: lekman | December 23, 2008 at 05:12 PM
I guess the Yankees want to win next year =)
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 23, 2008 at 05:12 PM
"Smart move for the next four years while Jeter and Arod are still in their primes. Swisher was never a legit option.
Manny is a must-have now, since the same upgrade at DH over Matsui applies.
Eat Matsui's contract and have a beast for the new stadium.
And then you can lowball Pettite into joining for one more ride."
You don't even deserve to live.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 23, 2008 at 05:13 PM
Seriously can I laugh now at you people? I'm not being a jerk or anything but this is laughable. The Yanks have lost:
Starting 1B-Giambi
Starting RF-Abreu
SP/20 gm'er: Mussina
SP : Pettitte (I think they will go with a rookie).
Designated DL Pitcher: Pavano
And we're not suppose to replace them? It just so happens that they all came off the books at the same time, but we're only doing what any other team would do just on a larger financial scale.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:14 PM
For all those who say that the Red sox are like the yankees and buy everyone just look at this. the sox havent signed a big free agent in one and a half offseasons.
Posted by: Reality Check | December 23, 2008 at 05:15 PM
YanksFanSince78,
You gotta have DirecTV to get YES Network outside of the NY area.
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Thanks. Is it an extra premium channel or part of the regular package?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:16 PM
Awww. Boo Hoo. Poor Red Sux.
Posted by: dpncharge | December 23, 2008 at 05:17 PM
cant lie, i did want tex, ive always admired him and how good he is. kinda makes sense he signed here cuz the sox offer wasnt as good but i guess we dont really need him that bad. I guess time will tell which team will be better built for the future. good financial work by the yanks tho, no denying it. just kinda boring knowing they will sign every big name guy but owell, sum stuff never changes
Posted by: GoSoX | December 23, 2008 at 05:18 PM
"For all those who say that the Red sox are like the yankees and buy everyone just look at this. the sox havent signed a big free agent in one and a half offseasons."
And before this off season who was the last big free agent the Yanks signed?
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 05:19 PM
For all those who say that the Red sox are like the yankees and buy everyone just look at this. the sox havent signed a big free agent in one and a half offseasons.
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Obviously the Red Sox aren't putting their money back in to the organization like the Yankees. Unless you have a payroll of 200 million you aren't trying, right Yankee fans?
Posted by: SierraM | December 23, 2008 at 05:22 PM
im gonnna laugh soooooo hard when the yankees suck next year. that would be soo funny.
Posted by: brewers19101 | December 23, 2008 at 05:23 PM
This is awesome! As a Cleveland fan who loves soaking in the misery of obnoxious NY fans, this could not have worked out better! With the highest expectations ever, we get to watch as they, the Yanks, fall on their faces. Then we get to watch them get their hopes up with Lebron as he toys with them over the next 2 years, only to see those dreams crushed too! As a consolation to you Yanks fans, this should ensure at least a wild card...Tex, CC and Arod are GREAT regular season players.
And to those bi*ching about the cap, buying a championship via free agency has generally been an unsuccessful strategy. Enjoy it, it will make it all the more fun when these Yankee "fans" are on this board calling Cashman an idiot 8 months from now.
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I will say this. THANK YOU Brian Cashman. He's done this year, the same thing he's done always. Put great players on the field. If the Yanks fail to make it to the playoffs (OMG) or to the WS then the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the players and not the GM. Even with failing to win a championship since 200, I honestly do not blame him for any of that. Damon, Matsui, Mussina, GIambi, Pavano, Wright were all deals done with the intent of winning. Beltra and Guerrero were all overruled. Any Yank fan who bashes Cashman for this...I just don't know what to say. He's done a great "job" of acquiring good players this year, and the Tex deal was a major coup, as no one, including me, thought we were in the hunt for him. I really think Boston thought they were out of the hunt as well. I can't imagine them walking away from Tex over 12 mil (1.4 per year).
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:23 PM
Teixeira must have really wanted to be in New York. The Yankees offer ($180 million) exceeded the Red Sox offer ($168 million) by $12 million. Apply the Massachusetts income tax of 5.3% and Tex would have paid $8.9 million in state income tax for the duration of the Red Sox contract. In New York, he gets to pay a combined 10.5% state and city income tax that will result in a total tax hit of $19 million. So, at the end of the day, net of taxes, he'll get about $2 million extra to play in the Bronx.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:24 PM
"""2009 will not be the first world series bought because the Yankees aren't gonna make the playoffs... like i said earlier.. its going to be hilarious when the Yankees dont make the playoffs again!!!! They are going to receive even more crap because of how much money they spent. Yanks have too many individuals on the team... this is why the YANKEES ARE NOT GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS IN 2009!!"""
Do you have a Link, by any chance?
""wow.... yanks version of the 09 tigers anyone""
Yea sure, the 08 tigers with a rotation of CC, CMW, AJ, Joba and Hughes. nice try though.
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | December 23, 2008 at 05:25 PM
"Smart move for the next four years while Jeter and Arod are still in their primes. Swisher was never a legit option.
Manny is a must-have now, since the same upgrade at DH over Matsui applies.
Eat Matsui's contract and have a beast for the new stadium.
And then you can lowball Pettite into joining for one more ride."
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Heyn dude...I think this is where we thank everyone for the good meal and slide away from the table and sit back with the remote and watch the others play. Ramirez is not coming to NY now. If so, even as much as I love the Yankees, I would publicly admitt that we've gone completely crazy.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:26 PM
The Sox have more championships???? Now I have heard it all.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 05:28 PM
He's just taking the Billy Beane formula and applying it to an organization with some money
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How is Epstein taking the Billy Bean formula when his team had the 2nd highest payroll in baseball for about 5-6 years until last year?
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Reality Check:
The reason the Red Sox havent signed a big named free agent in 1 and a *half* offseasons is because last year there were no good players available for any team (i mean carlos silva was the best pitcher available, come on) and this year they completely choked and over played their hand with Teixeira.
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 23, 2008 at 05:28 PM
The Sox have more championships???? Now I have heard it all.
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He's right, because 7 > 26
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:29 PM
In baseball, its about putting butts in the seats and getting the most bang for your buck. The Red Sox have more championships, broke the sell-outs record, have one of the best farm systems and win more games almost annually now, than the Yankees do for about 2/3 the cost. I don't even see how you can possibly compare it. The Yankees have deep pockets sure. They have a tradition that's unmatched. But RIGHT NOW, its not even close.
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More championships??? Did I fall asleep and wake up in opposite land? Is up now down and right now left???
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:30 PM
I could even understand the Yankees going after Manny. What I can't wrap my head around are the number of complete boneheads that still aren't satisfied and call Manny a "must have".
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 23, 2008 at 05:31 PM
For all those who say that the Red sox are like the yankees and buy everyone just look at this. the sox havent signed a big free agent in one and a half offseasons.
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Obviously the Red Sox aren't putting their money back in to the organization like the Yankees. Unless you have a payroll of 200 million you aren't trying, right Yankee fans?
Posted by: SierraM | December 23, 2008 at 05:22 PM
Dear Jesus, did we all forget the DiceK deal SOOO quickly? More than 1/4 what we're paying Tex over 8 years just to TALK to a man who hadn't ever pitched in the USA?
I agree though, it was a shrewd signing - offering essentially the posting fee back at him, knowing he would dishonor his team not to take it. But any honest Red Sox fan will HAVE to admit the Yanks outplayed them for Tex this year. The Yankees didn't blow ANYONE out of the water this year - they were within a million per of any other team's offer. They just did it silently and played off of everyone's "well, they just lost $88MM per off the books and opened a revenue generating stadium, but won't try to approach last year's payroll" attitude.
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 05:31 PM
I only shake my head reading some of these stupid replies.
Money is a non-issue for the Yankees. They dumped a boat load of salary this year and are simply replacing it. They're salary as it stands now, will be no greater and might be less, than last year.
The Red Sox were stupid. That's the end of it there. They let themselves be one-upped by a mere 12 million.
That's nothing in baseball terms.
It was a dumb move.
Boston fans....be angry at your GM and management. I would be if I were you.
Posted by: lekman | December 23, 2008 at 05:31 PM
Towney007 And you guys only have 1 more than the Yankees for crying out loud...
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 23, 2008 at 05:32 PM
The pressure's really going to be on Lars Anderson now.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:32 PM
Relevant times?
Give me a break. Life didnt start in 2001, baseball didnt start in 2001 and unless you are 8, you have all seen the Yanks win more than any other team.
Modern game started when the Sox won for the first time in 86 years...thanks for the laugh.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 05:32 PM
So if Boston lost:
Beckett
Daisuke
Wakefield
YOukilis
Bay
to free agency/retirmenet they would be wrong for taking the same money and replacing them? All the Yanks have done is replace 6 players with 3. Why are people so blind to this fact?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:33 PM
Excellent non-move by Theo Epstein and the Red Sox front office.
This guy isn't that good. Overrated and overpaid. Lowell is healthy and will have a monster season in 2009, as will Youkilis again.
Posted by: Ryan | December 23, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Yankees offense will be better.
Sabathia and Burnett are no sure bets. Sabathia's weight will lead to breakdowns. Burnett pitched well during his contract year. Mark my words, Yankees pitching will suck and pitching wins in the playoffs not hitting.
Yankees STILL suck! Being te richest doesn't make you the best.
Posted by: Ray | December 23, 2008 at 05:35 PM
Keep telling yourself that Ryan...
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 23, 2008 at 05:37 PM
The Sox have more championships???? Now I have heard it all."
In this century, you know.. relevant times. Modern Game. Not part of a cranky movie.
I mean god, you guys only have one more championship than the Pirates for crying out loud...
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So by your reasoning then the Marlins are better and more succesful franchize than the Dodgers. Talk about being short sighted.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:37 PM
I pray for a strike and a salary cap. Fans of small market teams should stop supporting their team. No other major sport operates without a salary cap. This signing proves that a salary cap is needed.
I won't give a dime to MLB (either merchandise or game attendance) until they get a salary cap.
Posted by: MaxAMillion | December 23, 2008 at 05:37 PM
If you're going to argue whose got the better organization... right now its not even a comparison, I'd say the Sox in a runaway. This coming from a Pirates fan.
In baseball, its about putting butts in the seats and getting the most bang for your buck. The Red Sox have more championships, broke the sell-outs record, have one of the best farm systems and win more games almost annually now, than the Yankees do for about 2/3 the cost. I don't even see how you can possibly compare it. The Yankees have deep pockets sure. They have a tradition that's unmatched. But RIGHT NOW, its not even close.
That being said, Epstein's no genius or anything. He's just taking the Billy Beane formula and applying it to an organization with some money... but they're still run all the way down the line better and more efficiently than the Yankees are, IMO.
Posted by: Towney007 | December 23, 2008 at 05:26 PM
The Sox have the record for sellouts because their stadium houses about 7/10 what Yankees stadium does. Despite their losses, the Yanks have smashed season attendance records in the previous years.
The Yankees also happen to be top 5 in projected farm system, as the Sox do.
The Sox do have more championships in the past 5 years than the Yanks do - but the Yanks have more in the past 10, they're both arbitrary numbers.
I will say the Sox made WAY better decisions at the start of the millenium than the Yanks did (thanks for overriding Cash, Big Stein). But not this year. And don't kid yourselves into thinking the Sox couldn't afford to do what the Yanks did. They were trying to be slick and got caught with their pants down.
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 05:38 PM
MaxAMillion
I said it once and I'll say it again, a salary cap will not work without a salary floor
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:39 PM
The Yankees don't have a top 10 farm system. The only significant position player they've produced in the last decade is Robinson Cano.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:43 PM
What is with everyone saying "the yankeees this century bla bla"
FYI, the Red Sox won 5 of the first 15 World Series. It took the Yankees until 1923 to win their 1st World Series. Need I remind of you the history from 1923 to 2000 of the Yankees and Red Sox? That's 77 years there....Yet somehow, it seems when people say "the Yankees haven't wont his century", that's basically saying the century is coming to in end, well it is 8% over
I just find it funny, that is all....Oh btw, 22 Major League Teams have won the same amount of World Series' this century as the Yankees, so if you laugh at the Yankees, laugh at them then
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:43 PM
A fact that will be replayed throughout the season. NY will have 5 of highest contracts on their roster next year.
Posted by: SierraM | December 23, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Seriously, if all you're going to say is "you can't buy championships" which is obvious since we haven't won since 2000, "the Yank are runing baseball", reference the Zito, Tori Hunter, Vernon Wells, Soriano, etc deals, and "Yanks suck and will finish in last place", why because you say so, then pease don't bother making a post. At least state a logical reason as to why you don't think they can make the playoffs next year? I won't even say make the WS, because in the playoffs it all comes down to who' hot over a small 7 game stretch. Grow up people. You need the Yanks, you need people like them, so you can point your fingers and say "There goes the bad guy".
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 05:45 PM
midtown, you are an idiot
The Yankees farm system is ranked 6th in baseball. You are probably a Muts fan, and FYI, the Mets farm system is ranked 26th hahaha
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/621317/baseball_ranking_mlbs_farm_systems.html?cat=14
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:45 PM
A fact that will be replayed throughout the season. NY will have 5 of highest contracts on their roster next year.
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No it will be 4, unless they got Manny
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:46 PM
Mike923, you're the idiot for referencing an article from last February. Since that time, the Yankees traded away Tabata - who was their highest rated position player. They are no longer Top 5. Deal with it.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:50 PM
"Keep telling yourself that Ryan..."
I will. Because paying Lowell/Youkilis combined a fraction of what Teixeira makes is the wise decision.
Lowell was pretty damn good in his limited action last season and was MVP of the World Series in 2007. Youkilis finished third in regular season MVP balloting in 2008. The team finished one game from the World Series with a bunch of injuries and the Ramirez distraction in July.
They'll be fine.
Posted by: Ryan | December 23, 2008 at 05:50 PM
"This guy isn't that good. Overrated and overpaid. Lowell is healthy and will have a monster season in 2009, as will Youkilis again."
By that right, You are essentially saying that every player that exercises their right to reach free agency is overrated. good job.
btw, i don't get the sox only offering 168mil when boras wanted them to up it to 195. can someone clear that up for me.
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | December 23, 2008 at 05:52 PM
Mike923,
Here's some more fact to refute your preposterous claim of the Yankee's having a top farm system. This is from Baseball America:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267148.html
"Despite their willingness to spend on draft and international talent, the Yankees have not developed any recent impact players beyond Chamberlain. (Cano would have counted before he regressed offensively and defensively in 2008.) They failed to sign two of their top three picks in the 2008 draft, including first-rounder Gerrit Cole—considered the most electric arm in the class of prep pitchers."
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:53 PM
midtown, you are an idiot
The Yankees farm system is ranked 6th in baseball. You are probably a Muts fan, and FYI, the Mets farm system is ranked 26th hahaha
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/621317/baseball_ranking_mlbs_farm_systems.html?cat=14
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:45 PM
That surprised me. Last year Prospectus ranked us 4th. People fail to see that Cashman took over the reigns three years ago and the most immediate effects are the ones you don't see - in the minors. Did you all really think the Yankees were going to be perennially overpaid AND underperforming?
I suppose our minors ranking dropped as a result of being one dimensional - great pitching but no real position prospects (aside from AJax and Jesus). But no worry, we can trade one of those pitchers to get a young SS in time to fill Jeter's shoes when he moves to LF.
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Okay sorry, but just because you trade away a player doesn't make a farm system necessarily drop
It has the same change effect on a farm system for when a guy joins a major league team
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:55 PM
The Yankees farm system hasn't been highly rated in ages for one simple reason - they are always signing free agents, which results in a loss of top draft picks. In 2009, they will be without their top 3 picks.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Towney..no, it became a joke when you were called out on it.
YOU go bake a cake...sweetheart.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 05:57 PM
cdg,
Don't be surprised by it. Some of the good farm systems on that list were much worse a year ago. And some of the bad ones on that list were good a year ago.
I'll check for the 2007 rankings
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:57 PM
Directly after Midtown stopped quoting:
"The Yankees did see significant progress from high-dollar investments such as Austin Jackson, who could claim their center-field job at some point in 2009, and catcher Jesus Montero, a $1.65 million bonus baby who had an all-star season in low Class A. Righthander Andrew Brackman, who got the largest draft bonus in club history ($3.35 million) as part of a big league contract that could reach $13 million with incentives, finally got on the mound in Hawaii Winter Baseball. He had Tommy John surgery shortly after signing in 2007 and an appendectomy this July."
And then there's BP ranking each teams system against the other, Yankees at 6:http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7204
"6. New York Yankees
Last Year's Ranking: 3
Why They're Down: The performances of Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy, along with Austin Jackson's breakout, were offset by Philip Hughes' graduation to the majors and injuries to Humberto Sanchez and Dellin Betances.
Strengths: Pitching, pitching, and more pitching; high-ceiling outfielders; big investments in Latin America.
Weaknesses: Infielders and catchers.
Outlook for 2009 Ranking: Down a bit, as Joba and possibly some others will lose eligibility."
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 05:57 PM
Your thoughts are obviously a failure at this midtown
Someone is jealous because the Mets farm system is terrible
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 05:58 PM
The Yankees don't have a top 10 farm system. The only significant position player they've produced in the last decade is Robinson Cano.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:43 PM
Where did Jeter, Rivera, and Posada come from? O yea thats right there home grown. If your going to bash the Yanks, atleast get your information right.
Posted by: YankeeFan4life | December 23, 2008 at 05:58 PM
Midtown, they were highly rated as recently as the beginning of the 2008 season. If it feels better to call that "ages" so be it.
Their farm is still rated higher than most people want to think, including you.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 05:58 PM
"btw, i don't get the sox only offering 168mil when boras wanted them to up it to 195. can someone clear that up for me."
Because he wasn't worth that kind of money.
Posted by: Towney007 | December 23, 2008 at 05:55 PM
Scroll up and you'll see where I explained the state income tax differential. The Red Sox could have paid Tex approximately $10 million less and still had their offer be comparable to a Yankees offer. What this really boils down to is that he wanted to be a Yankee.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 05:58 PM
All this haggling over where our farm systems' rank is meaningless, however, since the Yanks are clearly (and have been for three years) ranked top ten by all the ranking agencies (and top 5 in a few of them).
It's like kids from Princeton and Harvard arguing which school is better.
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 06:00 PM
Nothing boneheaded about imagining Manny in NY now. Angels say they are out and signed Rivera, no NL team would really go all out for him, Red Sox are obviously out. Who's left who is going to bid high? It might be the right time to run the table.
Posted by: paxterj | December 23, 2008 at 06:00 PM
Yankees have a decent farm system because in the MLB draft they can pluck anyone they want and pay their ridiculous bonuses which a lot of clubs can't do.
Posted by: Ryan | December 23, 2008 at 06:01 PM
Towney:
I really thought Lowrie was going to be awesome. I don't watch the Red Sox as often as others, but I wouldn't say he can't be great yet...
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 06:02 PM
Jeez Mike, how old is that ranking?
If that's the best you can do, you'll need to do better.
Posted by: Devlsh | December 23, 2008 at 06:02 PM
Midtown, they were highly rated as recently as the beginning of the 2008 season. If it feels better to call that "ages" so be it.
Their farm is still rated higher than most people want to think, including you.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 05:58 PM
This quote from the 2007 Baseball America assessment of the Yankees farm system:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/262804.html
"The Yankees farm system, which ranked among the worst in baseball in both 2004 and 2005, had reason to be proud during the 2006 stretch run."
The Yankees farm system is by no means anything to be proud of.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:02 PM
the dodgers need pitching!!!! if we can sign manny then great. pitching wins titles! i just dont want a 42 year old manny patroling left field at chavine ravine. this is why i hate the skankees!!!
Posted by: dodgerblue1988 | December 23, 2008 at 06:03 PM
The Sox have more championships???? Now I have heard it all."
In this century, you know.. relevant times. Modern Game. Not part of a cranky movie.
I mean god, you guys only have one more championship than the Pirates for crying out loud...
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So by your reasoning then the Marlins are better and more succesful franchize than the Dodgers. Talk about being short sighted.
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That's being short-sighted? Whenever other franchises talk about their World Series wins, its being short-sighted but when the almighty yankees want to talk about how many they've won, its time for everybody else to listen. I for one am absolutely sick to my stomach at the yankees' and their fans' thinking that they are better than everybody else and should be given absolute respect because they won in the past and have the money that they do to buy individual performers who don't truly function as a team.
Posted by: rhynorampage | December 23, 2008 at 06:04 PM
I don't get how the Yankees weakness for 09 farm system is in catching
Have they not heard of Jesus Montero?
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 06:04 PM
It's from this year Devlsh....Do you consider that to be very old?
We'll see how it ranks at the beginning of next year
Nontheless, I lol at Mets fans who think they're farm system is better
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 06:06 PM
""A fact that will be replayed throughout the season. NY will have 5 of highest contracts on their roster next year.""
Settle down, Jeter, Posada and Mariano will only lead their respected positions in salary for a bit longer.
If y'all researched some of the players in the Yankee system, you'd probably get even more pissed at the world. because I'm such a nice guy, I'll give you some names to search for prospect profiles because everyone is so obsessed with the Yankees already
for SS: Carmen Angellini, Garrison Lassiter, Corban Joseph.
CF: If you are on this site, you already know his name; Austin Jackson Eduardo Sosa in the DSL, RF Kelvin DeLeon, TBattle's still str8
C: JESUS!!! Austin Romine, Kyle Higashioka.
Pitchers: Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman, Zach McAllister, Angel Reyes, Wilkins De La Rosa, Manuel Banuelos, Jairo Heredia, Arodis Vizcaino, Brett Marshall.
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | December 23, 2008 at 06:06 PM
You give us 2004-05 and say ages?
2008, they were #5 in many rankings. Here is one
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/pneumonia-pony/137824
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 06:08 PM
The Mets farm system blows even worse than the Yankees farm sytem. In terms of near major league ready talent, the Red Sox are very near the top. Lars Anderon (who's been compared to Justin Morneau), Michael Bowden and Daniel Bard are all set to make their debut in 2009.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:10 PM
1B-TEIXEIRA-THRU 2016
2B-CANO-THRU 2011 (2012 & 2013 OPTIONS)
SS-JETER- THRU 2010
3B-ARPD-THRU 2017
C-POSADA- THRU 2011
RF-NADY-THRU 2009
LF-DAMON- THRU 2009
DH-MATSUI-THRU 2009
SP-SABATHIA-THRU 2015
SP-BURNETT-THRU 2013
CL-RIVERA- THRU 2010
OTHERS-SWISHER-THRU 2011
COMING OFF THE BOOKS:
2009-31 MIL++
2010-36 MIL
2011-30 MIL (IF CANO'S OPT IS DECLINED). MORE IF SABATHIA OPTS OUT AND ISN'T RESIGNED.
Posada and Rivera would be close to retiring at the time their contracts expire. Jeter will be 36 when his contract expires. He's the only player I'm concerned about bringing back. We all want him to retire as a Yankee but how much do you pay him and where would he play now? If he's too old to play SS then he most certainly is too old to play CF and if Cano is playing well then I wouldn't move him either.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 06:10 PM
"I don't get how the Yankees weakness for 09 farm system is in catching
Have they not heard of Jesus Montero?"
Montero is still two years away. You fail.
Posted by: Ryan | December 23, 2008 at 06:11 PM
I'm aware the Red Sox farm system is better
But A- It is not better by a whole lot, and B- Even if it is, that doesn't mean the Yankees farm system isn't good
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 06:11 PM
Yankeegirl,
You're rapidly losing credibility. Name the recent products of this vaunted Yankee farm system to which you refer. Outside of Cano and Joba, who's made an impact in the last decade?
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:12 PM
Awesome! 3 great players and farm system wasnt touched.Sure they had the money to spend and they did and for all you jealous cry babaies out there they are still under what they spent last year and dont compare them to the the marlins either these guys are all multi year signees.See you in Oct.
Posted by: Turnkey | December 23, 2008 at 06:12 PM
Midtown:
I don't get it. We've shown you that the Yanks have been ranked top 10 for the last three years in both BP and BA (top 5 in both before 08). I've also admitted the Yanks were run horribly the first 5 years of the decade and only began focusing on the minors again last year. And yet still you come out, quoting 2005 rankings to prove your point and say "they're nothing to be proud of?"
Are you mental? You. are. wrong. Factually wrong. Go to both the BA and BP website and tell me they're not top 10.
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 06:12 PM
midtown:
Wang. In the last three seasons he's the 3rd in the majors in terms of win total. And he didn't play more than half the 08 season.
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 06:13 PM
I'm aware the Red Sox farm system is better
But A- It is not better by a whole lot, and B- Even if it is, that doesn't mean the Yankees farm system isn't good
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 06:11 PM
Prospects are so speculative to begin with that there is actually a HUGE difference between a Grade A prospect and a Grade B prospect. Grade A prospects often end up being only platoon players. For Grade B prospects, it's not unusual to never even reach the majors.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:14 PM
Montero is still two years away. You fail.
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Which means he is still in the farm system, and is highly ranked by scouts. You fail.
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 06:15 PM
It doesn't matter where the Yankees minor league system are ranked because they are clogging their major league team with these bloated, asanine contracts.
And they better not bring back Jeter. His defense has become laughable.
Posted by: Ryan | December 23, 2008 at 06:15 PM
"Which means he is still in the farm system, and is highly ranked by scouts. You fail."
You were talking about the 2009 season. Yankees won't touch Montero until 2010 or 2011.
Posted by: Ryan | December 23, 2008 at 06:16 PM
I'm aware the Red Sox farm system is better
But A- It is not better by a whole lot, and B- Even if it is, that doesn't mean the Yankees farm system isn't good
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 06:11 PM
Wang. How could I forget Mr. Soft Tosser? He's got a nice career record. But, it'll catch up to him, considering that he give up more hits than innings and strikes out about 4 per inning.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:19 PM
in a counter move, the red sox have revealed that they are targeting joe mauer in 2011.
Posted by: i_spit_hot_fire | December 23, 2008 at 06:19 PM
THIS IS FOR ALL U HATERS....
F U ! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GO CRY TO UR OWNERS...
VIVA YANKEES AND CASHMAN....
Posted by: rdd27yanks | December 23, 2008 at 06:19 PM
YanksFan:
Jeter will play LF.
Everyone else:
The Yanks didn't give up a single prospect. Their farm system is #6 in all of the majors. Their payroll is LESS than last years. Their payroll next year will be LESS than this years.
Get used to it.
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 06:20 PM
Exaclty Ryan, that was my point...If he was activly on the team, he is not in the system then, which is why I don't understand why they said their system is weak in catchers, when it clearly isn't
Their infield is not strong though I will admit
Posted by: mike923 | December 23, 2008 at 06:21 PM
ANOTHER THING I HOPE CASHMAN SIGNS MANNY TOO... JUST TO MAKE SURE WE WIN!!! 09 YANKS 160-2 LOL BOSOX *****!
Posted by: rdd27yanks | December 23, 2008 at 06:21 PM