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3:58pm: Joel Sherman says the Red Sox were at eight years, $168MM, so the Yankees outbid them by $12MM.
3:38pm: The contract does not include an opt-out clause, according to Danny Knobler. Knobler agrees with Olney that the Red Sox fell about $10MM short. He says the Sox are not inclined to react by "stepping up their pursuit of Derek Lowe or any other top starting pitcher."
2:55pm: Olney now agrees it's an eight-year, $180MM deal ($22.5MM per year). Bill Madden says Teixeira told the Yankees he preferred them all along, after the Angels and Red Sox backed off. Ha. Joel Sherman says the Yankees made this decision with the 2010 season in mind, given the weak free agent market. He says they'll now attempt to trade one of Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nady, and Nick Swisher.
2:26pm: Buster Olney says the Yankees have reached an agreement with Teixeira on an eight-year deal worth more than $170MM.
Aside from the Red Sox, the Brewers and Blue Jays also lose here. Each team's draft pick from the Yanks is pushed back one round - the Brewers get a second-rounder from them for C.C. Sabathia, the Jays get their third-round pick for A.J. Burnett.
2:17pm: According to Jon Heyman, the Yankees are on the verge of signing Mark Teixeira to an eight-year, $180MM deal with a full no-trade clause.
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Midtown:
Only Brandon Webb has a better GB/FB ratio to Wang. That's how he does it, and how he continues to do it.
Not that he'll ever be a Cy Young like Webb, but he'll always be a GREAT #2. He's also not a soft tosser - mid 90's. He has the fastest sinker in the majors.
You asked who came out of the farm system in the last few years, and the Yanks have had Cano, Joba, and Wang. Better than MOST teams have done in terms of young talent in that time frame. And by the end of this year, we'll be saying Hughes, "oh yeah, how's we forget Hughes?"
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 06:23 PM
ANOTHER THING I HOPE CASHMAN SIGNS MANNY TOO... JUST TO MAKE SURE WE WIN!!! 09 YANKS 160-2 LOL BOSOX *****!
Posted by: rdd27yanks | December 23, 2008 at 06:21 PM
I love it. 2009 is already shapping up as a season where the Yankees will have a huge target on their backs - despite having not won the World Series in 10 years.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:24 PM
Wow this makes for some rediculous meltdown opportunities if the Yanks fail. Hank's implosion is predictable, Hal's is questionable. Bowie Kuhn's prolly trying to crawl out of his grave to void the Yankees' whole offseason, but what about teams like the Rays that gotr there with a roster purchased at Big Lots? Anyway, fun to be had by all in 2009! =)
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | December 23, 2008 at 06:25 PM
The Yankees farm system hasn't been highly rated in ages for one simple reason - they are always signing free agents, which results in a loss of top draft picks. In 2009, they will be without their top 3 picks.
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Seiously dude...you need to bone up on your facts. The Yanks have a 1st round pick this year (from not signing Cole last year) and I think either another 2nd or 3rd for not signing another pick last year. Both pick are protected so while they lose their additional 1st, 2nd and/or 3rd they will still pick in the 1st round. Also, the Yanks, despite all the FA signings have had a 1st round pick every single year except for 2000. Please get your facts straight.
Also these signing, shall in no way hinder the Yanks from continuing to grow their players.
As of now the Yanks only blue-chip position players in a level higher than high A are:
Jesus Montero, 19 (C/1b/DH), Austin Romine, 19 (C), Austing Jackson, 21 (CF)
How are they being blocked?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 06:25 PM
You asked who came out of the farm system in the last few years, and the Yanks have had Cano, Joba, and Wang. Better than MOST teams have done in terms of young talent in that time frame. And by the end of this year, we'll be saying Hughes, "oh yeah, how's we forget Hughes?"
Posted by: cdg02001 | December 23, 2008 at 06:23 PM
How many starts you figure Hughes is going to get considering he'll be blocked by Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, Pettitte and Joba? Even the Yankees front office has lost faith in the kid. At best, Hughes gets a shot in 2010. As for Ian Kennedy, he's already a has been.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:26 PM
160-2? Girardi fired if that happens, for having the ballz to think about using a 5th starter.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | December 23, 2008 at 06:26 PM
That's being short-sighted? Whenever other franchises talk about their World Series wins, its being short-sighted but when the almighty yankees want to talk about how many they've won, its time for everybody else to listen. I for one am absolutely sick to my stomach at the yankees' and their fans' thinking that they are better than everybody else and should be given absolute respect because they won in the past and have the money that they do to buy individual performers who don't truly function as a team.
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I haven't heard one Yankee fan infer that we are entitled to anything. Stop being such a loser. Even with the additions nothing is guranteed. At least they have the money and balls to extend themselves. I'm so sick of these lame attacks. So what they spent money. Doesn't gurantee anything. At least they (Yanks FO) are committed to doing what we can do to put a good team out there.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 06:29 PM
hatred for the yankees aside, it is bud seligs responsibility to step in and do something here. You dont have a team come in and sign the top 3 free agents on the market for a combined 420 million dollars. thats just not right and horrible for the sport of baseball. I for one will not be watching any games this season and will follow baseball only in the newspaper to watch the sox take the division again. I refuse to give a sport another dollar of my money that allows stuff like this.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 23, 2008 at 03:44 PM
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So funny coming from a Red Sox fan. You poor, poor guy.
Posted by: brewtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:30 PM
F.UCK THE YANKEES.
Posted by: johansantana17 | December 23, 2008 at 06:31 PM
hatred for the yankees aside, it is bud seligs responsibility to step in and do something here. You dont have a team come in and sign the top 3 free agents on the market for a combined 420 million dollars. thats just not right and horrible for the sport of baseball. I for one will not be watching any games this season and will follow baseball only in the newspaper to watch the sox take the division again. I refuse to give a sport another dollar of my money that allows stuff like this.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | December 23, 2008 at 03:44 PM
A hard cap of $200 million does make sense. Baseball is currently the only major U.S. sport without a hard or virtually hard (basketball) salary cap.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:33 PM
I pray for a strike and a salary cap. Fans of small market teams should stop supporting their team. No other major sport operates without a salary cap. This signing proves that a salary cap is needed.
I won't give a dime to MLB (either merchandise or game attendance) until they get a salary cap.
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Will it make you feel better wehn you realize that our payroll will be the same it was last year?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 06:35 PM
That is just ridiculous. I'm glad he didn't come to Boston. We already have 3 gold glovers in our IF and we don't need him. It's funny that I remember the Yankees trying this before and it hasn't worked. It still won't work. It's a good thing the game is played on the field and not on paper (see seasons 2001-2008 foe examples). Congrats Yanks, Yankee fans I'm sorry that you probably won't be able to afford to go to as many games as you'd like to now.
Posted by: BosoxRule08 | December 23, 2008 at 06:38 PM
TO: johansantana17....
WONDER WHY U GO OUT OF UR WAY TO POST THAT... PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS HATE THE BEST... SO KEEP HATING FROM A FAR... WE'LL BE CELEBRATING IN OCT... WHILE U SIT THERE AND WONDER HOW THIS HAPPENED... SRY BUT DON'T SEE HOW THE YANK'S CAN'T WIN THE NEXT 5 WS...
Posted by: rdd27yanks | December 23, 2008 at 06:38 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The yankees are not a real baseball team. They think they can just buy their way into the world series, they're such a joke now. Its gonna be so hilarious if they don't even make the playoffs this year. F*ck the yankees! I hope they don't win another world series for a hundred years.
Posted by: williams411 | December 23, 2008 at 06:39 PM
I've never respected George Steinbrenner and I certainly have no respect for his sons. I hope they all die before the Yankees ever win another pennant.
It will be hilarious to watch while that clubhouse explodes from the ego-overload and listen to all the wailing when CC and Burnett pull up lame. Tex? I don't care about him... he may be the best young player available as a FA, but he's far from the best player in baseball... certainly not worth the money spent on him. Just another bad contract 3 years from now.
Now, do us all a favor and sign Manny, too, will ya?
Posted by: JimCrikket | December 23, 2008 at 06:40 PM
I haven't heard one Yankee fan infer that we are entitled to anything. Stop being such a loser. Even with the additions nothing is guranteed. At least they have the money and balls to extend themselves. I'm so sick of these lame attacks. So what they spent money. Doesn't gurantee anything. At least they (Yanks FO) are committed to doing what we can do to put a good team out there.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 06:29 PM
Yeah right. Your typical Yankees fans couldn't walk a mile in a Red Sox fan's shoes. Their team has half the budget and their stadium is a dinky little toilet (albeit a baseball shrine).
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:41 PM
Wang. How could I forget Mr. Soft Tosser? He's got a nice career record. But, it'll catch up to him, considering that he give up more hits than innings and strikes out about 4 per inning.
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Haha...Mr. Soft Tosser? Maybe you don't watch Yankee games or don't understand baseball. Wang has a 95 mph fastball. His sinker is in the low 90's. He pitches to contacts and the sinker is his out pitch, therefor sinkerballs = groundballs and not ko's.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 06:44 PM
If the Yankees do win, nobody is going to "wonder how this happened". We'll all know. The Yankee front office admits they have no clue how to develop talent so they use the money their geographical advantage gives them to buy anyone they can get who has ever had success anywhere else. It's not like it takes any talent to run the Yankees.
Hopefully, they'll have the same luck with that philosophy that they've had the past 8 years.
Posted by: JimCrikket | December 23, 2008 at 06:45 PM
Thanks. Is it an extra premium channel or part of the regular package?
i believe it is part of a premium pack, i was looking at it, but it was the only other channel i wanted that wasnt with cable for less. you may be able to add it though
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | December 23, 2008 at 06:45 PM
the same annoucement was made last night with the sox signing him to a contract. i think this may be a ploy to get the boston red sox to up their offer. here is a link to last nights story. http://mlbtradedeadline.com/?p=233
Posted by: Shipshape | December 23, 2008 at 06:46 PM
the same annoucement was made last night with the sox signing him to a contract. i think this may be a ploy to get the boston red sox to up their offer. here is a link to last nights story. http://mlbtradedeadline.com/?p=233
Posted by: Shipshape | December 23, 2008 at 06:46 PM
You may as well wait for an announcement that Roger Clemens is returning to the Red Sox. Ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:48 PM
"Wang. How could I forget Mr. Soft Tosser? He's got a nice career record. But, it'll catch up to him, considering that he give up more hits than innings and strikes out about 4 per inning."
Ill take 4 strikeouts an inning.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 23, 2008 at 06:48 PM
Congratulations Yankee's, you have successfully ruined baseball. Not only do you sign the top 2 pitchers available, but you also throw out $180mm for a firstbaseman. i dont see how a team could spend almost half a billion dollars on 3 players!!!!!! not to mention the sh*t ton of money owed to A-Rod and Jeter. I guess winning a game a run or two isnt good enough is it? it always needs to be a 6 run blowout, right?
Posted by: EPraider17 | December 23, 2008 at 06:49 PM
Merry Christmas ho ho ho, how do you like the Yankees now Boston? ho ho ho looking real good aren't they
Posted by: mdmonline | December 23, 2008 at 06:50 PM
The Yankees can afford what they do because they have a great revenue stream. That stream, however, is generated by fielding teams that win and especially by colorful teams that win. Both TV revenue and merchandise revenue are driven by this. Plug Manny into that picture and he will probably pay for himself. Add in the idea that next year will be weak for FAs and that the stars are alligned now to create a lack of competition for his servises and there it is. A bold move, with massive reward.
It's not a dream...it's strictly business.
Posted by: paxterj | December 23, 2008 at 06:51 PM
What happened to the Teixeira / Varitek package deal theory? Hey Yankees, you can have Tek too. He's old and he sucks. He'll fit right in.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:52 PM
the yankees haven't officially signed teixeira yet so the sox could up there offer. the teixeira to the yanks offer is only a preliminary agreement. so who knows if it will get finished. smells a lot like the furcal to the braves story to me.
Posted by: Shipshape | December 23, 2008 at 06:52 PM
Another ridiculous Yankee factoid - they already have $168 million committed in 2010 (not 2009) and that number represents salaries for only 11 players.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 06:56 PM
I want to say great job to Brian Cashman for not tipping his hand and allowing Boras to use the Yankees interest to drive up the price even further. This yankee fan believes you are doing a great job. And thanks for keeping your mouth shut long enough to get this deal done Hank.
Posted by: kwhitey | December 23, 2008 at 06:58 PM
Let me tell you all something, please if I may...
Derek Jeter is not going anywhere - fact
He is the true face of this franchise, he sells more jersey's, drink's, paraphernalia, you name it, than just about anybody in the league. He is an all class player, and a role model for the game, or for that matter any professional sport.
Out of contract after 2010 at age 36. So? Anyone remember Luis Sojo? He was their utility guy until 40-41 no?
Jeter sells tickets - fact
You're are not compromising the integrity of the team in the least bit by having him on payroll or the active roster for eternity.
The Yankee's extend Jeter with perpetual options btw $8-$11 until he either passes from this earth of until he walks away and retires. Likely 39-40. Not so far fetched. Then what, he becomes third base coach, Girardi's future bench coach, who knows, maybe take Cashman's job (although Cashman is a genius, and I tip my hat business man to business man)
You all need to get that straight. I'm proud to know we were born in virtually the same neighborhood..
Argue you may...
Posted by: yankee77 | December 23, 2008 at 06:59 PM
the yankees are scary next year. can't deny it.
i am actually scared that they may not be done. a package of kennedy + nady could bring back something useful. i read a cardinals fan talking about dealing for ankiel... is that something st. louis people are hearing??
Posted by: i_spit_hot_fire | December 23, 2008 at 06:59 PM
not dealing for ankiel.. i meant dealing him to the yankees for a trade package centered around kennedy
Posted by: i_spit_hot_fire | December 23, 2008 at 07:00 PM
and midtown stop - try to rationalize some of what you are offering to the discussion. Ryan person too...Jeez.
Posted by: yankee77 | December 23, 2008 at 07:02 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove08/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=3789788
Great piece of writing by Stephen A Smith. The Yankees although they have A Rod and Tex need Manny Ramirez as a presence in that lineup. It is a must. The acquisition of Manny to the Yankees will entrust them with arguably the best lineup in the history of their franchise...
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 23, 2008 at 07:03 PM
lol, Notice how almost all of the commenters saying to stop whining about a salary cap are Yankees fans? Seriously, obtaining the entire top of the free agent class is a little obnoxious, over the top even. I will be laughing if they can't win in the playoffs in 11 games after winning 100+ regular season games. Anything less should be considered a failure after spending so much money.
Posted by: rip | December 23, 2008 at 07:10 PM
Well, I'm pretty happy the Nats didn't get him. That $20 million is better spent elsewhere. I don't understand why everyone's hating on the Yankees, though...I mean, if the Red Sox had signed Tex then I think it would be the opposite, but with less hate. Geez guys, lay off a bit. If your team had signed Tex then most of you would be celebrating as well (although I won't deny some Yank fans are taking it over the edge)
Having said that, the Yanks have a killer lineup now. Trade Swish to the Nats, we could use him at first.
I hope we sign O-Hud as well. He'd be great at the top of our lineup.
GO NATS!
Posted by: DCSportsGuy | December 23, 2008 at 07:11 PM
A line-up consisting of
Damon
Jeter
Tex
A-rod
Cano
Nady
Posada
Matsui
Garnder
Is still pretty solid without Manny.
Posted by: YankeeFan4life | December 23, 2008 at 07:19 PM
That Stephen Smith is a great piece. Says is all.
Yanks needed two starters and got them. They lost Abreu and Giambi and replaced one of them. Manny is the logical conclusion. Might as well put the big pot on this hot stove.
And everyone else can stop howling about how the Yanks have to be stopped. This won't guarantee a WS, since the games have to be played and the five game ALDS is always dependent on a few plays or at-bats beyond anyone's control. What it will guarantee is a really exciting team with mega marquee names. And having that in the media capital of the world will help the global expansion of mlb. I am not a Yankees fan; I just see the effect on the sport will be bigger interest. And wow will that make NY-Boston games the best ever or what?!
Posted by: paxterj | December 23, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Well...looks like the Yanks are spending close to 500 mil this offseason to come short yet again. They have not figured it out yet...money don't get you championships. And for all of you who think the Yanks just won the series...wasn't the same thing being said about Detroit last offseason. Hilarious! Getting CC, AJ and Tex might make you better...but they are replacing Giambi, Andy and Mike who were not too bad either. So the improvement is not as astronomical as everybody is making it out to be. Better...probably. Champs...I have my doubts. Enjoy the lux tax though...
Posted by: hombrej | December 23, 2008 at 07:27 PM
yank spending in the 21st century is beyond gluttony and ridiculousness. Any yankee champioship team led by Arod and Sabathia and/or Burnett and Texiera will be truly HOLLOW. They will not be a true team - but just an assembly of All-stars. MVP's, Cy young winners who all made their name on OTHER TEAMS and then were BOUGHT by the yankees. They are pathetic.
24 big name acquisitions in a 9 year period - All either gigantic bloated long
>term deals, salary dump pickups, aging star signings, or contract
>extension deals. yankee gluttony is sickening.
>2001 Mike Mussina (88.5 mill)
>2002 Ja$on Giambi (120mill), David Wells (7mill)(pt. 2), Jeff
Weaver(22mill)
>2003 Hideki Matsui (21 mill), Jose Contreras (32 mill),
>2004 Gary Sheffield (39mill), Alex Rodriguez (70 milll), Kevin
Brown(33mill), Javier Vasquez(30mill)
2005 Randy Johnson(38mill), Jaret Wright(17mill), Carl Pavano(40mill)
2006 Johnny Damon(52 mill), Bobby Abreau(37mill
for 2.5 yrs), Hideki Matsui Pt.2 (52mill)
>2007 Andy Pettite(32mill), Mike Mussina Pt.2 (23mill) , Kei
Igawa(46mill), Roger Clemen$ (28 million [18 mill pro-rated])
2008 Alex Rodriguez pt. 2 (minimum 300 mill)
2009 CC Sabathia (161 mill), A.J. Burnett (82.5 mill), Mark Texeira (180 mill)
TOTAL = 1.54 BILLION not even counting luxury tax.
Posted by: G.H. Hecks | December 23, 2008 at 07:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove08/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&id=3789788
Great piece of writing by Stephen A Smith. The Yankees although they have A Rod and Tex need Manny Ramirez as a presence in that lineup. It is a must. The acquisition of Manny to the Yankees will entrust them with arguably the best lineup in the history of their franchise...
Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | December 23, 2008 at 07:03 PM
This would be hilarious for two reasons:
(1) If Bud Selig's head hasn't popped off already, it most assuredly would then.
(2) Aside from being a one man wrecking crew with the bat, Manny can also single handedly wreck the morale of any crew.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 07:28 PM
Seriously...can I ask an honest question and get an honest well thought out response. The Yanks just turned over 1/4th of their 2008 roster by letting Giambi (starting 1B), Abreu (starting LF), Mussina (20 gm winner), Pavano (SP), and quite possible Pettitte (SP w/ 2nd best record) walk. Are we suppose to leave those holes unfilled when you have $85 million in salary coming off? I can understand being frustrated if you're a small market team, but if you are a small market team you will almost never have to replace those caliber players all in one off season. Furthermore, we're not doing anything illegal or immoral to you or the game. Can we stop with all the stupid hate? Hate us because of a rivalry or something and not what 1 billionaire out of 28 pays to a bunch of millionaires on his team.
Also, there are so many variables that exist between MLB and all the other sports that make a salary cap almost impossible to institute.
Keep in mind that with a salary cap comes a salary floor. There's no way the Players Union would concede to a salary cap w/o the following changes as well:
a) Salary floor of at least 80-100 mil which is double the existing payroll of the Rays, Marlins, Twins, Nationals, Pirates, etc.
If the Rays, Marlins and Twins could draw, even with their teams contending for a championship then how will those franchizes fair if they were forced to double their payroll? Do you sunscribe to the theory that if you spend it then they shall come?
b) Less years under control. Why should a rookie player have to wait 6 years to become a free agent?
c) Minor league contriction. If there's less financial growth regarding the salries then they would want to limit the amount of players that vie for those dollars.
And then compare the real facts between the sports:
NBA, NHL and NFL teams are allowed to trade their picks prior to the draft.
NFL contracts are not completely guaranteed which allows a team to cut a player to get under the cap. Would the players union agree to that?
MLB teams would have to do an incredible job at drafting. Look at the Pirates who've had a 1st round pick every year since 1980 and have only Bonds ('85) and Jason Kendall (92) that have turned into stars for them. W/ a salary cap how would a bad team turn things around (maybe that's a good thing)?
It's much easier to "pick" a star player in the NBA, NHL and NFL than it is in the MLB. A salary cap punishes teams that make long-term commitments to it's players because it punishes those teams that choose to lock down their stars. So what you will have is more turn over in player personnel than you do now.
I know I'm dragging on here but to simply say we should have a salary cap w/o considering the variances between the mlb and all other sports is silly. There are tons and tons of issues that would have to change and be reconstituted. A salary cap does not hurt the Yanks. It hurts the players and it hurts the small market teams/fans who are not draws. What the Yanks spend in payroll in no shape or form effects what the smaller market teams spend. The Rays went to world series last year. How much more profitable were they and how much more can they spend next year and the year after? Their attendance went up 5,000 people per game whic still ranked them among the bottom 5 teams.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 07:31 PM
The Yankees now have more money committed in guaranteed contracts (nearly $1 billion) than all other major league baseball teams combined.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 07:34 PM
Im wondering if Boras would have made more money selling Tex's services on ebay ?
Food for thought :)
Posted by: TripleHHH | December 23, 2008 at 07:34 PM
For all you Yankee haters isnt that the whole point.... isnt it better that you have someone to hate...someone to compete against...doesnt it make you love your team more... the Yankees are good for baseball... if your team goes to the world series and beats the Yankees is it better...doesnt it taste sweeter... do you think when Boston won in 04 it would have been as epic, as sweet if they hadnt gone through the Yankees to win it... Last years World Series would it have been better if it was Yankees - Phillies and the Phillies won... or course it would... it's always better when its David vs Goliath... Thank the Yankees...
Posted by: cary | December 23, 2008 at 07:36 PM
Wow, thats the only thing I can say right now. 10MM why cant Theo give 10MM more to get this guy? I've never seen a team get so many players just to keep other teams away from them. BTW Nick Swisher, yeah he just lost about 200 AB. F U C K !
Posted by: redsoxbaseball | December 23, 2008 at 07:37 PM
80mil?
the salary floor will never be that low. the average mid-market teams arent that high.
more realistic floor would be 35mil-40mil
and if the marlins cant afford that they the marlins will moved to portland, las vegas
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | December 23, 2008 at 07:38 PM
I can see a lot of fastballs being thrown high and tight on Yankee batters this year.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 07:42 PM
"I've never respected George Steinbrenner and I certainly have no respect for his sons. I hope they all die before the Yankees ever win another pennant."
Posted by: JimCrikket | December 23, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Are you kidding me? Really? You hope someone dies before achieving a goal? Are we maybe taking this a tad too seriously? Let's step back, take a deep breath and remember, this is just a game...nothing more.
Posted by: Just another idiot | December 23, 2008 at 07:45 PM
To everyone who is disgusted by the Yanks signing these big name guys, spending all this money, etc....PLEASE SHUT UP! Enough is enough already. If you are a small-market team, and dont have the money to pull this off, thats your own teams problem. They would have more money if they went and got TV deals, and invested their money smarter. Just cause teams like the Yanks, Red Sox, Mets, Dogers, and Angels actually have a lot of money is no reason for you to hate them. Plus any small market fan who is pissed really shouldnt be....The Nationals ( a team who has sucked since forever ), offered him about the same amount of money and years. But Tiex decided to play for a WINNING TEAM.
As for pissed off Red Sox fans, cry all you want. Because you would be celebrating and carrying on if you landed Tiexera. You never had a place to put him, so there was no need for you to be in it.
Let the Yanks get all their big name guys and spend their money. It doesnt mean the Yanks will win the WS just yet. Look at the Rays. They led the AL East last year.
PS: To everyone who is so sick of baseball because of the Yanks spending, and say they are not gonna watch baseball til theres a salary cap....I'm glad your not watching anymore. Cause that just proves you are not a real fan of the game.
Posted by: Johnny O | December 23, 2008 at 07:47 PM
i am not a fan of New york, but let's not hate yankees now. Just be patient and wait for about 10 more months. If what they have done can't bring them the world series championship, then we can just lol x 10000 times. If they can't make it to out of ALCS, then we can go lol x 1000000, if they miss playoff, the whole world will be laughing LOL! now, every team else is the underdog. Pressure is on New york. Let's just enjoy the ride and be ready to laugh~!
Posted by: Stevie | December 23, 2008 at 07:48 PM
Put another couple of baseball teams in the New York metro area (one in Brooklyn and one in New Jersey) and force the Yankees to share their ad dollars. That would screw with them pretty hard.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 07:53 PM
Who else can pay manny what he wants, and a place where he wants to go.....
Posted by: YankPhan420 | December 23, 2008 at 07:55 PM
YFS78, you make some legitimate points but your contention regarding a salary cap hurting small market teams falls apart for one reason. A salary cap (and, yes, a floor) works in conjunction with something called revenue sharing.
It's true that a small market team could not afford a 80-100mm minimum payroll UNLESS their revenues are also comparable to the large market teams.
MLB is the only major sport that allows such a huge disparity in revenues based on nothing more than geography. Teams in other sports share the TV and merchandising revenue much more fairly.
When revenues and expenses have minimums and maximums that put franchises on more equal footing, then teams compete based on the abilities of their front offices to develop talent and put competitive teams on the field based on comparable resources.
The only reason there hasn't been an uprising among other owners that would force revenue sharing and payroll equity is that the ineptitude of the Yankees front office has allowed other teams to field championship level teams without having to resort to such measures. If/when the Yankees are ever successful at putting together another string of purchased championships, it will result in other owners waking up and forcing a change.
If Cashman and the Steinbrenners keep making dumb decisions, it won't matter to the other owners how much they spend. Right now, there are half a dozen other owners out there thankful that the Yankees overpaid for CC, Burnett and Tex... because it gives them an excuse for not having shelled out the money to get them.
Posted by: JimCrikket | December 23, 2008 at 07:57 PM
I'm as much for a good rivalry as much as the next Sox fan. I am also a proponent of the salary cap in baseball, but that's another story.
On top of that, I'll admit that Teixeira was the marquee offensive catch this offseason and, even though we didn't need him, a team (well just about any other team than the Yankees and a few others) could build a franchise around him.
On that level, I thought he'd be a great pickup for the Sox even though there wasn't a blaring need for him.
But for those thinking most Sox fans are upset about this, I'd beg to differ. See, we've been through this before with a little guy named A-Rod and so far it's Red Sox - 2, Yankees - 0. And now the pressure is even greater, as great as it's ever been for the Yanks to win a championship with the new stadium and about $450 million in newly committed money (don't forget about Swisher).
I mean, good luck and all that, but we're a long way from October.
Posted by: Bloody Sock | December 23, 2008 at 07:57 PM
I was surprised considering that I thought the Yanks were out of the picture. I seriously thought Teix was going to the Sox and the Yanks could sign manny. If anything, they should get rid of Nick Swisher. While he's a decent player, I don't think that he can put up good contact numbers. Next would be Damon to go, even though his contact is up and is still probably one of the best lead-off hitters in the game. I don't want the Yanks to trade away Nady or Matsui, both can put up fantastic offense and at least Nady put up decent defense.
Posted by: Matt | December 23, 2008 at 07:58 PM
With any luck, this salary bloated Yankees squad will turn into the baseball equivalent of the Knicks.
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 08:00 PM
yankees are classy
Posted by: YankPhan420 | December 23, 2008 at 08:01 PM
yankees are classy
Posted by: YankPhan420 | December 23, 2008 at 08:01 PM
So is San Diego. But, remember what Ron Burgundy told the people of San Diego to do with themselves?
Posted by: midtown | December 23, 2008 at 08:04 PM
Just another idiot: "Are you kidding me? Really? You hope someone dies before achieving a goal? Are we maybe taking this a tad too seriously? Let's step back, take a deep breath and remember, this is just a game...nothing more."
I don't think I'm taking anything too seriously and I certainly don't take the Steinbrenners seriously. I didn't wish death or injury on them... I merely stated that I hope they pass on without ever reaching their "goal"... because I have no respect for them or how they go about achieving that goal. You really think seeing that family never hoist another championship trophy in their lives is going to disappoint ANYONE who isn't a Yankee fan him/herself?
Posted by: JimCrikket | December 23, 2008 at 08:08 PM
Congratulations to the yankees on their 2009 world championship.
Posted by: G.H. Hecks | December 23, 2008 at 08:11 PM
What would be really stupid is if they trade swisher like that one fool said they might.
Posted by: yanksfan4ever | December 23, 2008 at 08:19 PM
In what is officially the signing of Manny Ramírez with the New York Yankees, the team's captain, Derek Jeter, and he welcomed the "bombers" of the Bronx, according to MLB.com reported Tuesday.
He said that while he had no close relationship with Manny, Ramirez thinks fit with the club.
"I do not think that his personality can create problems and I think that will help improve the alignment of the Yankees," said Jeter.
He added: Manny has been successful wherever he has played. "
Clearer ...
Posted by: YankPhan420 | December 23, 2008 at 08:20 PM
from impacto deportivo
Posted by: YankPhan420 | December 23, 2008 at 08:21 PM
Yankee fans shouldn't forget how they won those last championships so long ago. Their core guys were homegrown (Jeter, Rivera, Pettite, Williams, Posada, etc.) with a few pieces added. Now most of them are gone or close to it. You can't buy a championship. Does everyone think that they are going to win 140 games? Every great team on paper is one or 2 injuries away from mediocrity.
Should make for some more good drama next season though.
Posted by: BosoxRule08 | December 23, 2008 at 08:29 PM
haaaaaaaaa Teixeira isint that good
Posted by: Jack | December 23, 2008 at 08:32 PM
The Yankees had to pay 100 mil into the revenue sharing pot in 2007 and a luxury tax of 27 mil. How much more do they need to pay?
Here's an interesting article that can be found here:
http://www.bnet.com/2403-13502_23-210897.html
Potential Winners and Losers
Revenue sharing makes some franchises significant payers and others recipients. For example, in 2005, the Yankees reportedly paid out about $76 million. Meanwhile, the Tampa Bay Rays, Toronto Blue Jays, Florida Marlins and Kansas City Royals each received $30 million or more, according to the Wall Street Journal.
Under the first version of revenue-sharing (from 2002 through 2006), some low-revenue teams seemed to be gaming the system. While revenue-sharing money is supposed to be used to improve on-field performance, some teams appeared to be using the shared revenue to enhance profits while failing to invest in higher payrolls. Last year Forbes reported that from 2002 to 2006, the Royals’ revenue-sharing dollars doubled to $32 million, while their player costs increased only 6 percent. Likewise, in 2006 and 2007, the Florida Marlins reportedly received more than $60 million in revenue sharing, according to The Hardball Times, but the team had opening day payrolls totaling $45.5 million.
Indeed, for low-revenue teams, there was previously a disincentive to fielding a better team and raising revenue — under the 2002–2006 revenue-sharing plan, more money coming in from tickets meant less money coming in from the shared pool of MLB revenues. Lower-revenue teams paid a marginal rate of 48 percent of local revenues into the shared pool, while high-revenue teams paid 40 percent. The current deal seeks to fix that disincentive, with all teams contributing 31 percent. Lower-revenue teams will keep more of the money they’ll make if they field a stronger team.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 08:41 PM
Nobody responded to this question so I'll ask it again:
Seriously...can I ask an honest question and get an honest well thought out response. The Yanks just turned over 1/4th of their 2008 roster by letting Giambi (starting 1B), Abreu (starting LF), Mussina (20 gm winner), Pavano (SP), and quite possible Pettitte (SP w/ 2nd best win record) walk. Are we suppose to leave those holes unfilled when you have $85 million in salary coming off?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 08:45 PM
YanksFan78, ill answer. Yanks are not suppose to leave those holes unfilled. Signing CC, AJ and TEX helped them fill these holes. You have to spend money to make money. People keep complaining that the Yankees are spending too much money, but guess what? It's not the Yankees fault or the Yankee fans fault that other teams dont want to spend money! And for those small market teams, do you really expect someone to NOT sign players they need to make it an "even" playing field? Get real people, you all just hating. If your team had the ability to put a great team on the field, you would want the same thing. So stop bitching
Posted by: jman120 | December 23, 2008 at 08:55 PM
Seriously...can I ask an honest question and get an honest well thought out response. The Yanks just turned over 1/4th of their 2008 roster by letting Giambi (starting 1B), Abreu (starting LF), Mussina (20 gm winner), Pavano (SP), and quite possible Pettitte (SP w/ 2nd best win record) walk. Are we suppose to leave those holes unfilled when you have $85 million in salary coming off?
Yanks78,
the point is that you don't need a 208 million payroll to win. The Rays and Phils proved that. its overkill, unnecessary. Are you allowed to do it, sure, there's no cap. There is such a thing as a "team" concept though. how is this team going to mesh? Also there was talk that Posada would have to move to 1B at some point soon becuase at his age likely catching 120+ games will be near impossible. How's that going to happen now? Damon and Matsui are getting older too. How will Giardi be able to deal with the EGO'S that will be out there? They need Torre's personality back to deal with that. What many Yankees fans don't realize is that your team was best in the 90's with Brosius at 3B and not a slugger like AROD. With Tino Martinez's everyman approach as opposed to Teixeira. With Paul O'Neill as opposed to Manny(when that happens) I said it before and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Yanks don't win it all. In fact in such a tough division. i wouldn't be surprised if only one team made it out of the AL East to the playoffs because you'll be beating up on each other and the teams from the AL Central get to play against KC a lot.
ALso in a short series anything can happen. IF the Yanks have a $220 million payroll and don't win it all??? Heads will roll.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 23, 2008 at 09:02 PM
Yankee fans shouldn't forget how they won those last championships so long ago. Their core guys were homegrown (Jeter, Rivera, Pettite, Williams, Posada, etc.) with a few pieces added. Now most of them are gone or close to it. You can't buy a championship. Does everyone think that they are going to win 140 games? Every great team on paper is one or 2 injuries away from mediocrity.
Should make for some more good drama next season though.
Posted by: BosoxRule08 | December 23, 2008 at 08:29 PM
They tried homegrown players last year: Hughes (flopped), Kennedy (flopped), Wang (injured), Cano (flopped), Rasner (was never that good anyway), Melky (flopped)
All teams are filled with FA/traded players.
Would Boston have won the WS without Beckett/Dice-K/Drew? Maybe.
Plus they did practically win 2 WS's with Reggie Jackson.
The Yankees will never get high picks anymore so what's the point? Wait for the Rays to just keep winning with their #1 draft picks. No.
The fact that the Yankees even making the postseason for so long is based on FA. They need to sign even more because there are not just 2 competitors in the AL East. The Rays and their draft picks will continue to be trouble for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: strikethree | December 23, 2008 at 09:14 PM
phew~ I'm glad that boston did not sign him. Trade for Roy halliday and get Miguel caberra next year. i think it is a bigger improvement than signing Tex. Boston has enough of power in the lineup currently. Just need to get healthy M. Lowell back and that is all.
Posted by: Stevie | December 23, 2008 at 09:16 PM
"the point is that you don't need a 208 million payroll to win. The Rays and Phils proved that. its overkill, unnecessary."
Oh please. The Rays and Phillies were crap before this year. That's why they won. They get draft picks for being crap for so long. The Yankees can't lose. They can't just lost 100 games for the next 5 years to gain high picks. That's why they're so financially successful because they always make the postseason. They need to get back on track especially for the first year at new Yankee stadium. It was just an embarrassment not making the postseason in the last year of Yankee Stadium.
Posted by: strikethree | December 23, 2008 at 09:20 PM
Ok for every red sox fan they need to shut the fuxk up cuz i bet u if the redsox ended up wit Tex they would be jumping up and down like crazy
Posted by: Andrew Concepcion | December 23, 2008 at 09:33 PM
strikethree,
actually you're wrong on the Phils part. The phils have won in the last several years:
92 games
89 games
85 games
88 games
86 games
86 games.
So now they haven't been crap. They just have developed their own talent and sprinkled it in with FA acquistions. The yanks now choose to forgo their kids for $20+ million options. And stop giving that crap about draft picks. Everyone knows that a Boras client or two per year will fall to the Yankees who will pay ridiculously over slot to get him (Brackman). Heck even this year COle didn't want anything to do with you guys. So stop using that excuse because its BS. Just admit that you're trying to buy a championship and have that be that. In the end, IF you win the 2009 WS, I'll have enjoyed mine much more in my opinion becuase it would have been won with mostly homegrown players as opposed to high priced free agents.
And I love this "embarassment" crap. You do realize this isn't hockey? That only 8 teams per league out of 30 make the playoffs, right? Teams shouldn't be ASSumed to make the playoffs. Some of you need to remember the GLORY YEARS of the 80's a little more often, but I'm guessing that many of you either weren't alive then, or weren't fans of a LOSING team.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 23, 2008 at 09:34 PM
oh and their financial success has almost NOTHING to do with a winning product on the field today. It has to do with three little words, "YES" The YES Network and the billions that it makes. That's it, end of story. The other parts are nice and if not for yes they'd still likely be the highest generating revenue team, but it'd be a heck of a lot closer.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 23, 2008 at 09:36 PM
I don't like the Yanks, but good for them. If they want to go around over the salary cap signing everyone possible, then power to them. We all know that they are gonna finish in the cellar anyway.
Posted by: Giantsfan17 | December 23, 2008 at 10:39 PM
You people are truly over valueing the whole home grown thing.
1999 Yanks home grown players:
Jeter
Williams
Posada
Rivera
O. Hernadez
Pettitte
Spencer
Leyrits (left in 96 came back in 99)
Soriano
Mendoza
Total of 10
2009 Yanks home grown players:
Jeter
Posada
Rivera
Wang
Cano
Melky
Gardner
Pettite/Hughes
Veras
Robertson
Ramirez
Coke
Total of 12 including 3 or 4 from the 1999 team
Other '99 stars
O'Neil (trade winter 92)
Martinez (trade winter 95)
Brosious (trade winter 97)
Cone (trade 95)
Clemens (trade winter 98)
Knoblauch (trade winter 97)
So the only difference that insted of trading for their non-drafted players they signed them as FA. So what's your next arguemtn? That traded players are better than FA?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 10:44 PM
People are never going to cut the Yanks slack so f*ck trying to get them to understand. They still don't get that we're not spending anymore than we did last year or that we replaced several starters. They're acting as if we're adding salary or adding players in addition to what we had last year.
Also, aside from drafting, who cares whether it's via trade or FA?
Boston Redsox: Ortiz, Ramirez, Martinez, Schilling, Lowell, Drew, Bay, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Damon, Millar, Cabrera, Roberts, Menkeweitz, Mueller, Wakefield....none of those integral parts of their WS teams were homegrown.
Pedroia, Lester, Youks, Lowrie, Paps, Varitek, Ellsbury
vs
Rivera, Jeter, Posada, Joba, Wang, Cano, Cabrera, Gardner
Only difference is that your latest infusion of young players have acclamated themselves to mlb play vs some of ours.
Stop being such hypocrites,
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM
JimmiCrikket - Yes you are taking things too seriously. There is a BIG difference between having "no respect" for someone, and wishing death upon them.
If you don't see that, especially during the holidays, I feel sorry for you.
Posted by: Just another idiot | December 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Congrats to the NY megalomaniacs. Im a Baltimore fan (yes, sad) and actually I am happy that we did NOT get Teixeira, which now probably means goodbye to Brian Roberts, unfortunately.
The Yankees (right OR wrong on the spending spree) are a d@mn BROADWAY SHOW. That's it. Sure there are true die hard Yankee fans, but a Yankee game in NY is the tourist equivalent of seeing a musical or play. Any other team are the evil leeches (that is until they change uniforms) - reminds me of the Harlem Globetrotters. Can't the other teams just give the luxury tax back to make a trophy for them and the rest can play out the season while the NY brass hit the clubs and play the stock market?
All the money that is spent will buy them no more than 7 wins MAX. Then they may make it past the first round only to fail in the next.
They lost grasp of the pennant when the salary ballooned and year in and out the results will be the same.
But what the he11 are you going to do 3 years from now with 4 first baseman? Okay, realistically 3 first baseman and one DH?
Posada can't catch now, Jeter is probably better suited at 3rd (not yet but REALLY close to it) and you can't realistically see ARod as a $28,000,000 DH.
I guess this will continue with the Steinbrenners hoping their old man will see one more win before he passes away, but doesn't the past, oh EIGHT years shown you that it DOESN'T work? That wont change the big headded "hahahah!" NY fan though. Well there's always next year and another $400 mil to shell out.
Posted by: kilby | December 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM
"People are never going to cut the Yanks slack so f*ck trying to get them to understand. They still don't get that we're not spending anymore than we did last year"
I keep hearing this, and not trying to yell and argue, but seriously - when i looked at the salaries they ARE spending more unless I am missing something (which i could be).
Is Farnsworth still on their staff at $11 million?
I could be wrong and im not trying to start a pissing parade... I just trying to figure what I am adding wrong here. I got them over but only over by around 9-11 mil.
Posted by: kilby | December 23, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Hey Yankee fans have fun blowing the cash and the season! Talk about disappointing. Still have to play them games.
Posted by: HE GONE!!! | December 23, 2008 at 11:38 PM
kilby,
The Yanks are still under what they did last year. Remember that Farnsworth(less) was traded to Det for Pudge. We have Abreu, Giambi, Pudge, Pavano, Pettite, etc coming off the books. Thats a good $85M or more coming off our books. With CC at 23M/yr, AJ at 16.5M/yr, and Teix at 22.5M/yr...thats still putting us under what we did. So you might be adding it wrong or forgetting players. Just double check.
And to everyone else, I'm sick of hearing the complaints. You just hate the Yanks, and always will. Thats all. It has nothing to do with us signing players, having money, Winning or not winning. We heard so much about us spending money on big names and not relying on the farm-system. So we skip on Santana (best pitcher in MLB period), and as we get injuries in the season, we miss the playoffs. And now that we actually see how that sucked and want to better our team, you want to complain again?? Oh please, go cry about it somewhere else. Its a done deal, just grow a set and get over it.
Posted by: Johnny O | December 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Not to mention that next season we'll have Matsui & Damon coming off the books. We're gonna be paying a lot less than we have been and yet everyone will still cry about the Yanks spending. Just shut up already.
Posted by: Johnny O | December 23, 2008 at 11:56 PM
We had about 88 mil coming off the books:
CC = 23 mil
AH= 16 mil
Tex= 22 mil
Swish= 4 mil (minus Bettemit's salary)
Wang= 1 mil salary increase
Arod= 5 mil increase
Other arb increases = 10 mil
That's roughly 81 mil w/ Pettitte the only real question. Regardless of what we do we will probably trade one of our OF (hopefully Matsui), so we should be under or right at last years payroll. However we do save money from a revenue share reduction this year because of the stadium so that's like another 30 mil, from what I read, to spend this year even though it obviously has nothing to do with the payroll budget.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 24, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Johnny Q -
yeah thats a big one, couldn't remember the Farnsworth deal. Still, being a nit picker (and yeah i hate the Yankees more than i should - not a $$ thing, but the immature hatings of Mr. Maier, even though Benitez would have blown it anyway) you guys have to push higher salarywise.
I got my info here...
http://mybaseballbias.com/09-payroll/
which could be wrong, but at $190 Mil (after Tex)with 12 players left on the roster to fill.
And yeah, Im being an ass. but you know how we all can get. Man is the first couple series against boston going to be so overhyped on sportscenter, and thats not an anti-Ny thing.
Posted by: kilby | December 24, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Oh geez... I thought '08 was lower than $209 (i thought it was right at $200. You will crack it close but be should be just under (unless theres another big signing anway)
Posted by: kilby | December 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM
strikethree,
actually you're wrong on the Phils part. The phils have won in the last several years:
92 games
89 games
85 games
88 games
86 games
86 games.
So now they haven't been crap. They just have developed their own talent and sprinkled it in with FA acquistions. The yanks now choose to forgo their kids for $20+ million options. And stop giving that crap about draft picks. Everyone knows that a Boras client or two per year will fall to the Yankees who will pay ridiculously over slot to get him (Brackman). Heck even this year COle didn't want anything to do with you guys. So stop using that excuse because its BS. Just admit that you're trying to buy a championship and have that be that. In the end, IF you win the 2009 WS, I'll have enjoyed mine much more in my opinion becuase it would have been won with mostly homegrown players as opposed to high priced free agents.
And I love this "embarassment" crap. You do realize this isn't hockey? That only 8 teams per league out of 30 make the playoffs, right? Teams shouldn't be ASSumed to make the playoffs. Some of you need to remember the GLORY YEARS of the 80's a little more often, but I'm guessing that many of you either weren't alive then, or weren't fans of a LOSING team.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 23, 2008 at 09:34 PM
Any team who spends any money on FA is trying to buy a championship.
And before 2007 the Phillies hadn't won a postseason appearance for more than a decade.
Here were the contributing players:
Utley - 1st round 15th pick
Howard - 5th round
Hamels - 1st round 17th
Myers - 1st round 12th
Rollins - 2nd round
How will the Yankees ever draft picks above 20th in the first round? Answer: They can't because they always have a competitive team on the field.
I can list about 20 other teams that have mostly homegrown players and didn't win. Many of these teams NEVER win.
And the competition between the AL east and NL east is just not the same. The Mets choked (twice). The Rays and Red Sox were and will actually be competitive.
Of course you can draft good players without having a top 10 pick. However it depends on scouting and luck. Just ask the other 15+ teams that have mostly homegrown players. The Phillies had the scouting and a lot of luck.
And exactly what's wrong with spending when you have money to spend? What's wrong with a team that's taking money that would otherwise go to an owner's pocket and spending it on players?
If you enjoy your team (even after sign Ibanez) to continue with their "homegrown" strategy then fine. Good luck with that. Even though Lidge, the number 1 reason the Phillies won it all, wasn't homegrown. I would rather see a team do whatever it costs to put up a competitive lineup.
Everyone criticizes Yankee spending but where else would this money go? Would you rather have it stuffed into an owner's pocket or into putting up a winning team?
Posted by: strikethree | December 24, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Right now we are at 199 w/ Tex and all the 09 increases in signed players. Give Nady a 4 mil increase, Cabrera a 2 mil increase and Bruny a 2 mil increase that's 207 and let's assume that Coke, Hughes, Gardner, Ransom, Ramirez, Robertson (instead of Albalajedo), Chamberlain, Veras make $500,000 or less. That would bring it to 2011, and that's assuming they pass on Pettitte.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 24, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Yeah, Kilby, we'll be either at or just below our payroll mark last year. As much as I love Pettite, idk if we'll sign him. Anyone who reads this will think I'm stupid, and frankly thats fine...
But I think the Yanks (having a lot more money to spend because of the new Stadium might still go after Manny. They might not, but its a possibility. And then with having too many OFs, you can shop Damon, Matsui, or Melkey. Infact, they can even make a trade of Damon, Matsui, and Ian Kennedy (or Hughes) for Jake Peavy?? Would never happen, but its always funny to think about it.
Posted by: Johnny O | December 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I dont get what fans are so upset about. The rays just went to the WS without spending 200 million. You can still build a team and win. Plus the Yanks have to replace Mussina who had a great year, Petitte who wasnt anything special, and Abreu. Plus they still have bullpen issues.
Also the salary cap will never work. Teams like the Cubs, Yanks, Red Sox, Mets and Angels (to name a few) would have to stop doing business for 4 or 5 years to get the big contracts they already have off the books. You would have to start all over or something which isn't going to happen. Plus then the owners would just keep getting richer.
Posted by: chicubs25 | December 24, 2008 at 01:08 AM
i have nothing to say
just wanted to make it an even 600 posts
Posted by: Boston Belongs To Me | December 24, 2008 at 01:39 AM
Wow. There should be a salary cap in baseball.
The Yankees are a freaking joke.
Posted by: Joshua Herberger | December 24, 2008 at 02:04 AM
As a Royals fan, I knew this would happen. You small market fans like myself, the Yankee's are not killing MLB. This is the way it has been and will always be. Teams like KC, Pit, Cin, will just have to find other ways to win. The Yanks spending all this money has nothing to do with your farm systems, and front office situations.
I hate the yankees, but if the royals were spending this much money I would crap my pants with joy, and so would you if your team did. It's funny to see you Red Sox fans now suddenly saying Tex sucks and you wanted nothing to do with him. It's downright laughable that you claim the Yankees are buying a WS, just a couple years after you paid 50 Million just to talk to Dice-k. Get a life!
Posted by: AbusementPark5 | December 24, 2008 at 04:45 AM
Of course you can draft good players without having a top 10 pick. However it depends on scouting and luck. Just ask the other 15+ teams that have mostly homegrown players. The Phillies had the scouting and a lot of luck.
And exactly what's wrong with spending when you have money to spend? What's wrong with a team that's taking money that would otherwise go to an owner's pocket and spending it on players?
That's a load of crap. Scouting and luck. It takes what the Yankees have and that's $$$. You just have to let it be known that you're willing to go over slot for the right player. How do you think Brackman landed to them and Cole this past year? Here's the salaries for MLB draft picks in the first round in 2006 (Ian Kennedy Draft).
1. Kansas City — Luke Hochevar, RHP, Forth Worth Cats (3,500,000)
2. Colorado — Greg Reynolds, RHP, Stanford (3,250,000)
3. Tampa Bay — Evan Longoria, 3B, Long Beach State (3,000,000)
4. Pittsburgh — Brad Lincoln, RHP, University of Houston (2,750,000)
5. Seattle — Brandon Morrow, RHP, University of California (2,450,000)
6. Detroit — Andrew Miller, LHP, North Carolina(3,550,000)
7. L.A. Dodgers — Clayton Kershaw, LHP, Highland Park, H.S., Dallas (2,300,000)
8. Cincinnati — Drew Stubbs, OF, Texas (2,000,000)
9. Baltimore — William Rowell, 3B, Bishop Eustace Prep, Pennsauken, N.J. (2,100,000)
10. San Francisco — Timothy Lincecum, RHP, University of Washington (2,025,000)
11. Arizona — Max Scherzer, RHP, University of Missouri,
12. Texas — — Kasey Kiker, LHP, Russell County H.S., Phenix City, Ala.(1,600,000)
13. Chicago Cubs — — Tyler Colvin, OF, Clemson (1,475,000)
14. Toronto — — Travis Snider, OF, Jackson H.S., Everett, Wash. (1,700,000)
15. Washington — Chris Marrero, OF, Monsignor Pace H.S., Opa Locka, Fla. (1,625,000)
16. Milwaukee — Jeremy Jeffress, RHP, Halifax County Senior H.S., South Boston, Va. (1,550,000)
17. San Diego — Matthew Antonelli, 3B, Wake Forest (1,575,000)
18. Philadelphia Kyle Drabek, SS/RHP, The Woodlands (Texas) H.S. (1,550,000)
19. Florida — Brett Sinkbeil, RHP, Missouri State (1,525,000)
20. Minnesota — Chris Parmelee, OF, Chino Hills (Calif.) H.S.(1,500,000)
21. N.Y. Yankees -Ian Kennedy, RHP, Southern California (2,250,000)
22. Washington Colton Willems, RHP, John Carroll H.S., Fort Pierce, Fla. (1,425,000)
23. Houston — Max Sapp, C, Bishop Moore H.S., Windermere, Fla.(1,400,000)
24. Atlanta — John Johnson, OF, Crawford Mosley H.S., Panama City, Fla. (1,375,000)
25. L.A. Angels -Hank Conger, C, Huntington Beach (Calif.) H.S. (1,350,000)
26. L.A. Dodgers — Avery Morris, RHP, Motlow State CC, Tennessee (1,325,000)
27. Boston — Jason Place, OF, Wren (S.C.) H.S.(1,300,000)
28. Boston — Daniel Bard, RHP, North Carolina(1,500,000)
29. Chicago White Sox — Kyle McCulloch, RHP, Texas (1,050,000)
30. St. Louis — Adam Ottavino, RHP, Northeastern
(950,000)
Look up the 2007 draft (Andrew Brackman) and here's what you get:
1 David Price Tampa Bay Devil Rays LHP $5,600,000 $3,600,000
2 Mike Moustakas Kansas City Royals SS/3B $4,000,000 $3,150,000
3 Josh Vitters Chicago Cubs 3B $3,200,000 $2,700,000
4 Daniel Moskos Pittsburgh Pirates LHP $2,475,000 $2,475,000
5 Matt Wieters Baltimore Orioles C $6,000,000 $2,250,000
6 Ross Detwiler Washington Nationals LHP $2,150,000 $2,160,000
7 Matt LaPorta Milwaukee Brewers OF/1B $2,000,000 $2,070,000
8 Casey Weathers Colorado Rockies RHP $1,800,000 $1,980,000
9 Jarrod Parker Diamondbacks RHP $2,100,000 $1,890,000
10 Madison Bumgarner San Francisco Giants LHP $2,000,000 $1,800,000
11 Phillippe Aumont Seattle Mariners RHP $1,900,000 $1,710,000
12 Matt Dominguez Florida Marlins 3B $1,800,000 $1,620,000
13 Beau Mills Cleveland Indians 3B/1B $1,575,000 $1,575,000
14 Jason Heyward Atlanta Braves OF $1,700,000 $1,530,000
15 Devin Mesoraco Cincinnati Reds C $1,400,000 $1,485,000
16 Kevin Ahrens Toronto Blue Jays SS/3B $1,440,000 $1,440,000
17 Blake Beavan Texas Rangers RHP $1,500,000 $1,417,500
18 Pete Kozma St. Louis Cardinals SS $1,395,000 $1,395,000
19 Joe Savery Philadelphia Phillies LHP $1,372,500 $1,372,500
20 Chris Withrow Los Angeles Dodgers RHP $1,350,000 $1,350,000
21 J.P. Arencibia Toronto Blue Jays C $1,327,500 $1,327,500
22 Tim Alderson San Francisco Giants RHP $1,290,000 $1,282,500
23 Nick Schmidt San Diego Padres LHP $1,260,000 $1,260,000
24 Michael Main Texas Rangers RHP $1,237,500 $1,237,500
25 Aaron Poreda Chicago White Sox LHP $1,200,000 $1,215,000
26 Justin Simmons Oakland Athletics RHP $1,192,500 $1,192,500
27 Rick Porcello Detroit Tigers RHP $3,580,000 $1,170,000
28 Ben Revere Minnesota Twins OF $750,000 $1,080,000
29 Wendell Fairley San Francisco Giants OF $1,000,000 $990,000
30 Andrew Brackman New York Yankees RHP $3,300,000 $945,000
You can't tell me that this coming year that a big time player won't see $$$ and conveniently fall to the Yankees, or Red Sox or Tigers or any team willing to go over slot. I"M NOT SAYING ITS WRONG, but don't assume you have the best scouts because you don't!
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 24, 2008 at 08:50 AM
in the 2007 draft listed above the first number is the actual signing amount and the second is the amount if they followed the recommendation of the commissioners office in terms of slotting. Every year its the same teams when you get later in the draft. Yankees, Red Sox and Tigers. So don't go thinking that Porcello wouldn't have been picked in the top 5 because he would have but his AGENT (Boras i beleive) let it be known that he wouldn't accept less than a set amount that the other teams before him wouldn't go over. If the Yanks picked before the Tigers I'd bet he'd be in pinstripes right now.
And in the years prior to these two the Yanks draft have been absolutely horrible. The only things of value you've gotten were Austin Jackson (8th round 2005) and Phil Hughes 1st round 2004).
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 24, 2008 at 08:57 AM
I was just going to comment on this:
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Boston Redsox: Ortiz, Ramirez, Martinez, Schilling, Lowell, Drew, Bay, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Damon, Millar, Cabrera, Roberts, Menkeweitz, Mueller, Wakefield....none of those integral parts of their WS teams were homegrown.
Pedroia, Lester, Youks, Lowrie, Paps, Varitek, Ellsbury
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I think you can't put all those guys acquired by the Sox in the same boat. It's one thing when you're spending top dollar for a confirmed superstar in FA, and when you get them on the cheap and develop their talent on your own and/or make a trade and give up your talent to get something.
This is why no one complains (except for perhaps Pirates fans) about the Nady trade.
So Ramirez, Martinez, Schilling, Drew, and Matsuzaka are really the only "Yankee type" signings of note.
Ortiz was still developing and blossomed with us.
We traded our top prospect in 5 years and one of the top young players of the decade in Hanley Ramirez to get Josh Beckett. Mike Lowell was a 'dump' off that we took that many people laughed at us about at the time.
Wakefield, barely proven youngster.
Oh and Varitek was not homegrown. He came over from Seattle.
Of course, we aren't adverse to throwing money to a situation if we think it'll make things better. But frankly, I was totally against the signings of Drew and Lugo. Both were a waste of money. But with the departure of Manny, I thought Tex was perhaps the best FA option out there, but even that was a luxury based on our current needs (not to mention having a great first baseman already).
The difference is, with the Sox it's management, making trades in situations to help your team, risking giving away your young talent in the process. With the Yanks it's just outbid everyone and hope it sticks.
Posted by: Bloody Sock | December 24, 2008 at 10:04 AM
philliews:
Are you crazy??? Are you trying to say players slip down the draft because they want to sign w/ the Yankees? You do know that NO player has any control over where they are drafted right? The only reason why Brackman dropped down to the bottom of the round was beacuse he had arm troubles and need to have TJ surgery. Every team knew that and every team had a chance at drafting him. How can you blame the Yanks for that? Keep in mind how that was a huge risk Cashman took and may still back fire on him as well.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 24, 2008 at 10:44 AM
phillswschamps:
What is your point? We all know that the Yanks have done a horrible job of drafting prior to Cash taking over in 04-05. That was the whole point of him demanding that he have the power to overhaul the scouting system before signing his previous contract. Since taking over the scouting department the Yanks system has been in the top5-10 in the last 3 or 4 years. What's your point?
If you want to really look at horrible systems look at the Pirates. They've had a #1 pick every year since 1980 and have only produced 2 major stars (from their 1st rnd picks) in Barry Bonda and Jason Kendall.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 24, 2008 at 10:49 AM