Cardinals Outfielders Speak

Why are these guys charging for autographs? Don't they get paid enough money even with the millions they are paid? Even if you're a guy making the league min of $400k you should be living pretty comfortably.

anyone know if there has been any further talks of Ludwick/Ainkel to the Braves

Winter Warm Up was a fundraiser for the Cardinals Care charity. The players made absolutely nothing for participating, all proceeds went straight to the foundation.

Oh, and I scored some good autographs myself: Brett Wallace, David Freese, Rasmus, Jess Todd, Bryan Anderson...all of these guys were free.

BravesFan, I was always under the impression that they had asked for KJ and a prospect. I'd part with Soriano, but not Gonzalez. I really hope the Braves do score a good bat, I love what they've done with the rotation, but I'm still a little leary of the offense.

how about a ludwick + ankiel + prospects to san diego for peavy?

sounds good to me.

If Escobar + Hernandez+ Morton + Locke woudlnt get it done, I doubt that either of those packages would get it done either /end sarcasm

What is wrong with Gonzo for Ludwick?

Gonzo can be pretty good when healthy, but he's just a closer and he's pitched sparingly in the past 3 seasons. I'd think a middle of the order bat is much more valuable.

FlaBravesFan,

I meant to say the Cards wanted Gonzo for Ankiel and ur right they wanted KJ and a prospect,probably Todd Redmond or Gorkys Hernandez

I agree that i would not give up Gonzo, especially for probably a one year rental in Ankiel, so i'd rather deal Soriano, but he probably doesn't have any value, So i'd take my chance on Swisher/Dunn

I would not trade wainwright for peavy straight up.. waino is younger and has way better stuff.. sounds like another haren/mulder trade.

I still think a KJ/prospect for Ankiel of Ludwick makes the most sense. It fills a need for both teams. If the cards want pitching instead, they could have Reyes or Morton/prospect. WE NEED A BAT

Kelly Johnson, Jo-Jo Reyes, Blaine Boyer for Ryan Ludwick and Joe Mather?

"I wish we still had JD."

I wish we still had Polanco and Haren. But trades and free agency happen...

That 2003 season, Sheff was a beast.

Charlie Morton?

To the guy that said Gonzo for Ludwick: you're clinically. Giving up a guy that hit .300 with 30+ hr and 100+ rbi for an oft-injured mediocre closer is crazy

Some of you people need to understand that teams trade contracts for players, not just players.

Ludwick and Ankiel aren't interchangeable. One of these players is much more valuable than the other, and it would be stupid to trade him for a reliever that will be a free agent after next year.

catch212 - Ludwick hit 30 HR in one season, just as Gonzalez was significantly injured in 1 season, with TJ surgery.

If anyone should be labeled "oft injured" in the discussion, it's Ludwick.

That said, I do think Ludwick for Gonzo would favor Atlanta a bit.

Wainwright has "much better stuff" than Peavy?? I think Wainwright is going to be a stud one day, but come on.

Peavy's stuff is better than Wainwright. Wainwright is 27 years old - there is no "one day;" what you're seeing now is probably his prime. He's a terrific pitcher in his own right, but Peavy is better.

"Luddy for escobar would have been "fair", tilted slightly to ATL"

There is no way I would even consider trading Escobar for Ludwick.

Ludwick is coming off a career year and is alot older than Escobar.

The Fielding Bible has Escobar as the 2nd best fielding SS in the majors last season.

Plus I'm not sure when Ludwick will be eligible to become a FA but I know it's before Escobar will and I believe probably atleast 2 years before him but I'm not 100% sure on that off hand.

The only reason Escobar was in the Peavy talks was because that was for an elite pitcher.

Escobar is not getting traded for a LF. Escobar's value is getting that this position than Ludwick as an OF that just put up good # once in his career.

Morton/JoJo + Gorkys + Soriano = Ludwick + Perez + Todd

I left out KJ

KJ + Morton/JoJo + Soriano + Gorys = Ludwick + Perez + Todd/Motte

Hey Jeff and Eric, they charge for autographs because all proceeds from the Winter Warm-up go to Cardinals Care. Thats a community organization that helps kids, you should look into it before making dumb comments...

"I would not trade wainwright for peavy straight up.. waino is younger and has way better stuff.. sounds like another haren/mulder trade."

The two trades are not even close.

Haren was younger and much more unproven than Wainwright when traded (24). And, Barton also had (and still has) plenty of value at the time, albeit a prospect still in rookie ball.

Mulder was also two years away from free agency, as opposed to Peavy, who's under control for 4-5 more years. And Mulder had more injury problems before the trade than Peavy.

It doesn't matter. Bottom line is the Cardinals line-up is set. They would trade an outfielder for pitching only.

I still say to bad the Cardinals didn't get a chance to trade for Nate McClouth ,he would have given Pujols protection and add some speed as well.
Can't forget that glove of his the Braves made a good deal,now Card will have to keep looking for another bat.