Mets Sign Tim Redding

at least he can beat the phillies.

i def think if they sign redding that they will get perez and let off lowe. its been said that they want a lefty and a righty so redding plus perez or they go redding plus wolf which would be kinda crazy since thats basically two #5 pitchers.

only other thing is if they are planning to move maine or pelfrey to the bullpen or something because of their injuries but who knows

Guess he was too expensive for the Rangers, thankfully.

Very interesting. They have a righty now and suposedly Omar wants a lefty... so Redding and Perez it is? Looks like Lowe might be a Brave after all.

Signing Tim Redding doesn't mean the Mets won't sign Derek Lowe...

As a Braves fan, I hope the Mets do sign Redding. Sure, he won 10 games for the Nats last year. But he posted a 4.95 ERA and a 1.429 WHIP. And his career WHIP is 1.501.

Looks like an OK No. 5 starter, at best.

Nowhere have the Mets said anything that suggests that they want both a Righty and a Lefty.

I think that is more media speculation since the Mets lost Perez, a lefty. But keep in mind they also have Johan Santana, and their top near-ready pitching prospect is Jonathon Niese, a left-handed starter. Adding another lefty is optional.

Really, Redding is your prototypical #5 starter, and they're not paying much for him. I say it's a nice little deal if it goes through.

I think Perez and Lowe go to the Braves and Mets (in either order) and as a Braves fan I wouldn't mind that. Lowe is obviously the better pitcher and a TOR guy but Perez is a lefty who can handle the Phils. Vazquez, Jurrjens, Campillo, Hanson, Morton, and Parr (perhaps Kamakawi) are all righties while our only servicable (maybe) lefties are Glavine and Reyes. So its likely we get the best pitcher on the market or a solid young lefty which we need.

$2.5 million is hardly too much recognition. In fact, that's about right if Redding really is 25% of Marquis.

AdropOFvenom i totaly agree, redding could also be a number 4 starter he had a very good 1st half until leg injury..

sighing wins is not a valid argument. you have to look at the team he played on. if he played with the cubs and they won 100 games and he started 30 and only won 10 then thats an issue. he played for the nationals a team that barely cracks 70 sometimes and last year they won 59 so for him to get those 10 wins is harder than some teams

If they look to limit the innings on anyone it's Maine.

Manny/Abreu/Dunn would be great additions, but if we can pencil in castillo for 135 starts this season and murphy in left field we can generate enough offense. Signing lowe is the priority, with him and Johan we have 2 well above avg sps and then 2 good pitchers in maine and pelfrey and in our #5 spot somethign reliable. With a dominant Pen we can shorten games like we did when Duaner and Wagner were great that one season. Things are looking good for us this season. I cant wait to have shake shack in citi field this season.

Yeah I don't think they'll be protecting anyone's innings except for Niese. I don't think there's a ton of concern over an innings increase for Maine. If he approaches 200 IP, it will be because he's more efficient with his pitch counts, and it won't mark nearly as big a workload increase as the IP totals suggest. He pitched through pain last year, his command suffered, and he had plenty of 100 pitch count 5 inning starts. Plus he's 27 and threw 191 IP in 2007.

Pelfrey threw 200 IP last year, and a huge increase from that is unlikely anyway, especially if last years jump effects him. I don't think the Mets will have to start holding him back once he gets to the 180 territory because he won't get there until Sept. anyway.

mets arent getting lowe either.and krods arm will fall off.

People need to stop with the "Perez dominates the Phils" junk. He was good against them LAST year..they shelled him in '07, shelled him in '06, shelled him on '05...there's no way to know how good or bad he'll be against them looking forward.

I dunno Muggi, Perez dominates left handed pitching, that's why he owned the Phils last year, and if anything replacing Ibanez with Burrell makes them more left hand dominant. I know Ibanez hit lefties last year, but Ollie is an absolute nightmare on any left handed hitter, I don't care how well they hit other lefties.

"mets arent getting lowe either.and krods arm will fall off.

Posted by: cubbie75"

And Rich Harden and the DL will reunite for a nice long party.

As a Braves fan, I hope the Mets do sign Redding. Sure, he won 10 games for the Nats last year. But he posted a 4.95 ERA and a 1.429 WHIP. And his career WHIP is 1.501.

Looks like an OK No. 5 starter, at best.

Posted by: ink-stained scribe | January 09, 2009 at 01:27 PM

as a Nats fan, I can confidently say that our fanbase does not miss Redding one bit.

This guy can only go through the batting order once then he usually self implodes and turns really RED. Maybe its just his beard. Still a great signing for a team like the METS. Redding did have an overall decent year last year. He's not Latin though Omar.

He's not Latin though Omar

hahaha

Redding does fit the mets mindset...he melts down in the last few months of the season...Enjoy

I am so thrilled right now, I can hardly speak. In fact, I am so excited I am hyperventilating and can't even breathe.

melonis rex,you are dead wrong.harden will be just fine.what team do you root for anyways?always see you on cubs posts,yanks post.lol.

"How is it "too much recognition" when he's close to signing a deal similar to those of pitchers like Chan Ho Park, Mike Hampton, Carl Pavano, ect."

Those guys were all actually good at some point in their career.

"Well, if Pedro's health wasn't in constant question, you might be right. However, Pedro has been unable to stay healthy and, when he has recently, the results haven't been that much better than a guy like Redding."

Pedro hasn't been healthy since before he was a Met. So I'm not sure what you are basing your opinion on. I agree, if this prevents them from signing Pedro, it is a horrible a horrible deal, in which case, I hope Tim Redding slips and breaks his arm in 70 different places.

i will admit 2.5 is a steal.but this redding guy blows.matter of fact,other then santana,mets team puts 0 fear in any good n.l. club.

Yeah Redding isn't the best option for 2.25 milion dollars, but he doesn't necessarily have to be a starter. There are tons more relievers making more than him anyways. I still think its a decent signing, and I'm not a mets fan. It's called being honest.

"After signing Lowe or Perez the Mets may have the luxury of using Mike Pelfrey in the #5 role to limit his innings slightly."

I guess Tim isn't aware of the season Pelfrey had last year. Even if the Mets sign Lowe, Pelfrey is their #3 guy. If anyone's innings are going to be limited if Redding's.

There's a very good chance Pelfrey, Maine and Niese all make the Mets' rotation-- that's a lot of potential production for not a lot of money. Redding is there for depth. I'd be very surprised if the plan is for Redding to take the hill for 30+ starts.

If the Mets add one of Lowe/Perez and another bat, I'll be very happy with the offseason.

Atleast us Met fans don't have to worry about giving Redding 3 years 24 million like your moron Hendry did for Marquis. This isn't a Cubs thread, so get the hell out of here with that crap. Not everything has to be about the Cubs. They have made some very bad moves this winter already so go worry about your own team.

I'm with JK47 here. There is no reason to expect 30+ starts from Redding. The dollar commitment is essentially what we saved when we traded Sho. If Niese has a good spring, Redding is the seventh man in the bullpen and depth in case we need a spot starter. Odds are he's the #5 on opening day, but he doesn't stay there all year.

I hate to say it nrmax, but your dreaming with Pedro. The risk is so much more inflated just because he's Pedro, and I don't think Omar and the Wilpons would have the nerve to cut him if he tanks. From a pure baseball standpoint, it does make a lot of sense, but I couldn't stand to watch Pedro chug through 5 innings giving up 3-4 runs every fifth day. I prefer Redding. Pedro's upside is overrated at this point, and at least you can reduce Reddings role or cut him from the roster if he stinks.

You bet me? You bet me? Hahaha, okay, now that is convincing stuff. Memo to self: Don't use numbers to support your, just say I bet you! Yes, Pedro was paid a lot of money in his last contract and it didn't end well. What does that have to do with anything? We are talking about 2009. Not 05-08. Pedro would cost about the same as Redding, as is obviously the much better value. Lets see. Injury prone pitcher who has never once even pretended to be a good pitcher. A guy nobody would ever mistake for a pitcher of value. Or, another injury prone pitcher, this one going into the hall of fame on his first ballot, a guy who has been pretty much dominant his entire career minus the last season he pitched. They are coming at the same price. Hmmmm, big fuckingg decision there.

why does everyone think that this means the mets want perez? the mets are hoping that niese pitches well enough to take the fifth spot and be the second lefty in the rotation. at his price its not a bad deal for a sixth starter and a long man in the bullpen, if they try to stick in him the rotation instead of lowe, they're a joke.

I'm not dreaming with Pedro. I know he won't be back. It doesn't mean he shouldn't be and I don't care what anybody says. He isn't done. I watched Steve Trachsel, and a a hundred other pieces of garbage "chug through 5 innings" every 5th day and somehow they survived, because 5th starter are supposed to suck.

He didn't start well in the contract. Stop trying to back Pedro. I don't even need numbers to back my claim. Pedro is a has been. Just because you don't know what to do with your Pedro jersey, doesn't mean you have to cry about it. You seem pretty mad. I want you to breathe and realizes that times change. Pedro isnt going to sign for 2.25 million this year. Dude, where are your numbers, since you are mister know it all.

Boy is this is true, we should have got Marquis when we had the chance. I doubt Redding will even last in the rotation. He may turn out to be an expensive long-man in the pen. Hopefully we can get Lowe, but if it hasn't happened by now...c'mon Omar.

Pelfrey is awesome when he gets in his zone.

Pedro started the contract amazingly well. It was actually the best season by a Mets starting pitcher I can ever remember being alive for. I don't even own a Pedro jersey. And yes, I am mad, because Tim Redding sucks. I would prefer just letting Niese go ahead and have the 5th spot.

Good point, maristmetsfan. If Niese pitches well, he can enter the rotation. Redding would be a solid long reliever. I am happy to see that the Mets got Redding for only one year. Two years would have been too risky for a guy coming off one okay year. This is a small step in the right direction for the Met's rotation, and now they need the big leap, AKA Derek Lowe.

Yeah, the number 5 spot is so damn important. Its not like the Mets won 97 and games and won the division by like 15 with Steve Trachsel, Jose Lima, Geremy Gonzalez and these other superstars pitching almost all of the games out of the 5 spot in 2006.

"Pedro started the contract amazingly well. It was actually the best season by a Mets starting pitcher I can ever remember being alive for. I don't even own a Pedro jersey. And yes, I am mad, because Tim Redding sucks. I would prefer just letting Niese go ahead and have the 5th spot."

Pedro was very good in 2005, but not nearly as good as Santana was in 2008. Pedro had one good season and then two good months in a Mets uni. I thank him for it, but its time to move on unless you can get him to agree to a non-guaranteed deal. Some sort of minor league contract, where if he's not on the big club on opening day, he can opt out. Otherwise, he's just not worth the risk of committing to a crappy starter for the whole year. And I highly doubt he accepts a deal like that.

Lowe over Ollie for sure. Lowes sinker was sick in the playoffs.

"Yeah, the number 5 spot is so damn important. Its not like the Mets won 97 and games and won the division by like 15 with Steve Trachsel, Jose Lima, Geremy Gonzalez and these other superstars pitching almost all of the games out of the 5 spot in 2006."

I was a big fan of that point going into 2007 and 2008. Now, not so much. The Mets had a deeper and more efficient lineup and a dynamic bullpen in 2006, that's what won them 97 games, and until they prove they have those elements, there's no reason to concede any other part of the team.

And yes, I keep making the same point over and over, because I think its important, and no one's said anything to convince me its not.

"Otherwise, he's just not worth the risk of committing to a crappy starter for the whole year. "

Funny, I thought that was precisely what we just did by signing Redding. Pedro is a crappy starter coming off of a surgery into his second full year back with the potential to bounce back. Redding is a crappy starter who has been nothing but awful for the duration of his career. And he is also injury prone. But hey, it is a good signing because according to you, atleast they can cut this guy if he stinks.

Your right, I do sometimes forget how good Pedro's #s were in 2005. I just always had this sense that he wore down though as the season wore on, while Santana had the most dominant stretch I can ever remember watching a Met pitcher have from June through the end of the season in 2008. Just based on the #s though, you're right, you can make a case that Pedro in 2005 was better.

Yeah or don't commit money to Pedro that you might be able to commit to Lowe. This isnt monopoly money. Even though it has been since 1913. Don't get me started on the Federal Reserve lol

"But hey, it is a good signing because according to you, atleast they can cut this guy if he stinks."

Yes, that is precisely what I'm saying. Just because you can make a sarcastic quip about it doesn't make it any less true or relevant. The commitment here is marginal, and that's the key to me.

Although I will say this: Redding doesn't look like any better a bullpen option than Pedro. His first inning numbers are equally atrocious, which definitely takes away a bit of the value I assumed might be there. Still though, if Redding stinks, its 2.5 mil of sunk cost. If Pedro stinks, its a bad starter all year.

You assuming the Mets would be to afraid to cut Pedro is he stinks is the same thing as me assuming Pedro is going to win the CY Young. You have no idea whether that is the case. But hey, Cerrone says it, so......

"You assuming the Mets would be to afraid to cut Pedro is he stinks is the same thing as me assuming Pedro is going to win the CY Young. You have no idea whether that is the case. But hey, Cerrone says it, so"

Just because its an obvious concern and other people recognize it doesn't make it any less relevant. I've had this concern since long before Cerrone said it.

Look, maybe your right, I don't think we really disagree here. We both feel that IF you can get Pedro into a competition for the 5th spot, and not guarantee that he'd be locked into it all year, that he's a solid value. But I'm just not sure that's true, and if Omar won't have the balls to cut him later, I want him to be straight with himself about that right now, and pass on him. If he would have the balls, great, go for it, but just knowing Omar and the organization, I have a feeling they wouldn't. Thats IMO though, not fact, obviously.

And for the record, I think Cerrone does a solid job, he's realistic and he keeps his finger on the team's pulse much better than most of the mainstream NY media (excluding some of the beat writers, who are also pretty solid)