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Odds and Ends: Putz, Mitsui, Varitek

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I love how the poll on whether or not people like the idea for the new system has one choice... "yes"

dammit schilling, SHUT UP!

The only way to fix the MLB free agency is to Install a Hard Cap... Unfortunately this looks like it will never happen. The only other option is if a player is type A, the team should get a 1st round pick no matter what. So the Jay's would get the yanks 2011 first Rounder and this year's 3rd.

Funny how Schilling didn't list the 4th possibility: Tek hits .187 all season, like he did after May last year.

Please stop writing the "shut up Schilling" comments every time I link to something he wrote. I don't care what team you root for or what you think of Curt Schilling. I am going to link to him, get over it and stop leaving that type of comment every time. Not talking directly to 04Forever, but in general.

purple-i didn't notice that the first time i read it, but that's pretty funny.

that was a good read and some good ideas (the jackson piece i mean) but i'm a little confused. in jackson's scenario, he has 30 total picks in the compensation/sandwich round, and at first glance it would seem to be one for each MLB team. but that's not the case since it would (hypothetically) involve tex's last team (the angels) getting 3 picks that round, the brewers getting 3 picks for CC, and so on. if there's only 30 picks in that round, not every team is going to be guaranteed a compensation pick, am i right? i mean, the brewers certainly deserve their compensation for losing CC, and in jackson's scenario they do, but by losing him they suck up 3 whole picks in that round, and there's only 30 total picks, and the especially high priced guys will soak up draft picks in that round pretty quick. there won't be very many picks to go around. i say extend it so that every team gets some kind of compensation for losing their better players to bigger contracts. please correct me if i'm missing something here...

The suggestion for fixing compensation is interesting. A few big problems though.

What about a deal with vesting options or incentives. I could see someone offering a 5/$39 deal (to stay under his hypothetical $40m threshold) to a guy like Burnett. Then tack on absurd absurd incentives that would push the deal to where is should be (i.e. $40m more for staying at a good playing weight, or appearing in "x" number of games).

I also think that the team signing a player needs to feel some pain. The threat of losing picks keeps some teams from spending wildly.

Finally, I agree that a salary cap is the only true way to handle this.

Honestly, if a teams pick gets bumped to second round or lower (due to previous signings, not protection based on the teams performance) they should tack on an extra pick. Maybe make it something like 1st, or 2nd and 7th, or 3rd and 6th or 4th and 5th. If a team goes out and signs 3 Type A free agents...it SHOULD really hurt. If they're giving up type A free agents of their own, they'll obviously be compensated in return. As for teams with a protected first round pick, just bump everything down a round, so: 2nd, or 3rd and 8th, 4th and 7th, or 5th and 6th.

I'm not saying exactly this set-up, but the current system is too easily exploitable by just loading up on free agents in a single year.

good non-move by the Rays here, Crawford will be gone after '10, Perez if he continues to progress won't be Crawford but will still provide the speed and defense that made Crawford so valuable last year even with the negative value his bat added.

a problem with that system.. say the Yankees and Teixiera had a grudge with the Angels and wanted to screw them... they could work out a contract for 1 year $5 million with 7 options for $25 million each that become active if Teixeira hits 10 homeruns in the first season.

Now the Angels get zero compensation because its only based on guaranteed money in the contract.

A better system is doing something along the lines of the NFL and not award compensation until after the season and base it on performance in the first season of the contract.

I do like the idea of all compensation coming in a sandwich round between the first and second rounds.

I like the Jackson article but I think this is how you approve the system:
1) Make it a 2 rounds and 60 picks so more teams can get compensation, but set the number of free agents who qualify at say 40.
2) Then the top 5 earners (1st tier) are worth 3 compensation picks, next 10 are worth 2 (2nd tier) and next 25 1 (3rd tier). (40 FAs, 60 picks)
3) The compensation should go in this order (using Jackson's model and his conditions)
Teixeira - worth three picks to the Angels - #31 overall, 36, 51
Sabathia - #32, 37, 52 to the Brewers
Burnett - #33, 38, 53 to the Blue Jays
Lowe - #34, 39, 54 to the Dodgers
Ramirez - #35, 40, 55
Dempster - #41, 56
K-Rod - #42, 57
Rafael Furcal #43, 58
Milton Bradley #44, 59
Raul Ibanez #45, 60
This process would continue and the last 25 guys of the top 40 FAs would then be compensation picks 66-90, the last 25 compensation picks.
4) Finally, the free agents would be ranked by amount earned per year (w/ incentives) thereby thwarting crazy contract attempts.
Tell me what you think, and read Jackson's article first, otherwise my post will make no sense

Tek needs to make a decision one way or the other, with Zaun signing with the O's, the market for him is drying up quickly.

How about you keep quiet yourselves a lot us likes to hear what Schilling thinks, certainly a lot more than spamming these boards with moronic comments about him.

Keep it up Schilling! And I would much rather have Schilling back than Schmoltz but that’s another story.

I don't think salary caps work in sports with guaranteed contracts. The NFL has one without guaranteed contracts, and it works for them. I think the salary cap has helped ruin the NBA because teams not only get stuck in mediocrity, but in terribleness. Any owner that wants a salary cap should sell their team to someone who understands the system they are getting into and willing to build a team the way the system is.

I like some of what was said as far as restructuring the compensation for FAs, but three picks in a roll is ridiculous.

I say since the first 15 are protected now, let the teams that lost the 5 highest paid players get a comp pick starting at #16. Then let everyone else get comp picks after the first round.

Hypothetically
Angels, Tex #16
Brewers, CC #17
Blue Jays, A.J #18
#19 TBD
#20 TBD
Then continue with the last 15 in the round. Give those teams that lost a top 5 guy a second pick between round one and two after everyone else that has lost a FA worth over 15mil has picked.

No comp for players not worth 15mil total.

Impose a hard ceiling on what a draftee can sign for, (this way teams stop missing out on players they spent draft picks on). Thats a form of limiting payroll and helping small market teams that might actually get past the player's association.

-Maybe add a clause with any team who adds more 50mil+ players than they lose having their first round pick omitted, if its unprotected.(not as sure about this part, but I think some regulation here is needed)

weeha-not bad, but i think what i'm trying to say is that the so-called compensation round, i feel, should be of an undetermined length until all the qualifying FA's sign their new deals. i might also suggest a deadline for signing (say by feb 1.) to prevent the clemens treatment (can't stand that crap). by giving teams and FA's a signing deadline, by the time spring training starts you know how many draft picks you have and in what order. you can still sign players whenever you want, even after feb. 1, but you forfeit the picks in that compensation round because you waited too long. the players/agents wouldn't care about a deadline since they couldn't care less about a team's draft pick compensation; they just want to get paid. the vast majority of them prefer to get signed before the first of the year anyway. this year's market is an anomaly, most years it doesn't take this long. i guess my point is that after feb. 1, whichever teams have lost their FA's will know when their picks are and how many they have, and the compensation round will not be fixed until after feb. 1. the order and number of picks will be decided by money given to the player.

Tim Dierkes,

While I appreciate everything you link and the work you put in, it's a "turn-off" to the site when you're such a snob to commenters. People can say what they want to say, to an extent, which telling Schilling to shut up doesn't nearly reach.

Just telling the truth, delete my account or whatever is in your power - I'm just tired of reading your rude comments, and also seeing where you deleted comments because people called you out for messing up/linking wrong.

The Jackson article has some good points but he misses the most important aspect of the current compensation model that actually works well.

Right now the Yankees are penalized for signing top talent by losing out on the right to also draft the top picks.

If a team (any team with big money, not just the Yanks) was allowed to sign the free agents and keep their top draft picks you would be creating a massive dynasty situation.

The system isn't perfect but at least next year the Yanks lose their first 3 round picks. It stinks the Jays and Brewers aren't getting a 1st round but Jackson clearly didn't think this through all the way either.

Perhaps the biggest issue I have with both systems is the fact that teams who didn't have any top free agents to lose are penalized by the supplemantal round.

The teams with no top free agents to lose are usually the teams who need the most help in the draft and under both systems they get their 1st round pick but their 2nd round pick becomes more of a 3rd round pick while the other teams get to replace their losses with higher draft picks.

At least those teams had players to lose, while other teams (like the Pirates) get screwed and get worse draft pick because they didn't have anyone of significant value in the first place.

The simple solution is usually the best solution.....just do away with compensation for the teams that lose the player but still penalize teams their draft picks for signing a player.

This means the Yanks would lose their first 3 rounds and some other teams their 1st round but all the other teams would in return be getting slightly better draft picks for the fact that they either lost a top free agent, didn't have one to lose and need the help or didn't have the loot to sign a top free agent so they get a better draft position by a little too.

"Jon Paul Morosi says the Mariners wanted Fernando Perez from the Rays in the failed talks that would've brought J.J. Putz to Detroit. The Rays were unwilling to do this in part because B.J. Upton will be unavailable to start the season."

???

I agree with Kangaroo to a certain extent, I think in my model only having the teams losing the 5 best players getting multiple comp picks and no one not worth 15Mil getting comps would have a similar effect as desired.

I think now any player more than 50Mil should cost your earliest draft pick (first 15 protected)In the yankees case still the first 3 rounds.

I think having to offer Arb as is, is actually unfair. Since a lot of players aren't going to make salaries of even what they made last year. I think teams should only have to offer to match the player's previous years salary in order to be eligible for compensation. (This seems quite fair as most of the players can be expected to drop off in the future. (Most players in this category are older, CC, Tex excluded.)

I'd still really like to hear someones take on putting a cap on what draftees can sign for, this seems fair and reasonable, as well as a great way to help small market teams.

To expand a little on my post a little.

When the Yankees (or any team) signs multiple free agent players it impacts all the other teams in their division a lot more then it impacts a single team who lost just a single guy.

Compensating the Brewers for Sabathia makes perfect sense; however once you consider what the Yanks signing of Teixeira/Sabathia/Burnett means to the Orioles the impact is a lot great. Toss in that the O's (due to the supplemental round) are now moved back in the draft for the 2nd round and the impact is even larger to their organization.

So while the Yanks were able to stock up on Free Agents and make their team more competitive for the following season the Orioles (who due to budget constraints) couldn't sign free agent help are now also not getting to draft any higher to make them more competitive down the road.

For this reason I think removing compensation but still penalizing teams a draft round for each top tier free agent they sign allows the rest of the teams (who couldn't sign a top tier guy or who didn't lose a top tier guy) to improve through the draft at an equal rate.

Confused yet.....I am and its my own idea.

If Tim correcting the guy is "rude," what does a comment of "dammit shut up Schilling" fall into the category of? It seems to me that the comment was significantly more rude than the comment ABOUT the comment that Tim made.

And 04Forever is a Sox fan telling Schilling to shut up. Yes, Schilling is a media whore, but neither he (nor Tim) made you click the link to read what he wrote. Deal with it.

I agree that the compensation system need to be fixed, but I don't agree with the solution.

First, the Yankees should lose draft picks for signing $400 million in free agents. This system rewards teams for building from within and has provided a modest deterrent (if any, before this year) on player movement. It means that only idiotic general managers will make moves like letting Burrell leave so he can replace him with Raul Ibanez, because the end result will be a net loss of draft picks for (in an ideal Phillies universe) equivalent production. It creates incentives for retaining players of your own without having the ludicrous salary cap results of the NBA where free agency becomes relatively meaningless.

Second, I will not shed a tear for Jason Varitek. He is not a completely free free agent, but he had an opportunity to get paid at market level by accepting arbitration. He was a buffoon for rejecting arbitration in any market, considering how poorly he performed in 2008, because he couldn't lose more than 20% of his current salary.

The value of the contracts signed is a better factor than the multi-year Type A calculations that tell us that a sub-replacement-level player like Varitek is irreplaceable. But given that the idea is to better approximate the value of the free agent, this system will underestimate the value of players like Manny Ramirez who are going to have higher values per year but fewer years (deal with it, Manny).

Moreover, it creates a bizarre assessment of free agents that still creates a pretty substantial gap between near equivalent players. Rather than implement the three Teixeira picks before Sabathia, I would suggest that the three picks should be in descending order.

For instance, taking his example but assuming that there were only the top five free agents, the sandwich round would appear as such:

31. Texeira
32. Sabathia
33. Burnett
34. Lowe
35. Ramirez
36. Texeira
37. Sabathia
38. Burnett
39. Lowe
40. Ramirez
41. Texeira
42. Sabathia

But I'd still be more amenable to penalizing the rich getting richer teams in the top 15 their first round pick and then adding the sandwich round.

Yankee fans need not fear anything anyway, because the players that they'd have drafted in the first round might fall down to the fourth because the other 29 teams won't want to pay them their demands.

updating my previous post:
so, the whole 60 picks in between the first and second rounds is a bit much so instead how about this:
1st round
sandwhich A:
Compensation for top 40 FA to their former teams ranked by avg. pay per year of new contract (plus all possible incentives, giving the value of the contract to what the team is willing to pay)
2nd round
sandwhich B:
Compensation for top 15 FA (so pick number 2 for former teams lost elite FA)
3rd round
sandwhich C:
Compensation for top 5 FA (teams who lost the best of the best get their third draft pick)

"good non-move by the Rays here, Crawford will be gone after '10, Perez if he continues to progress won't be Crawford but will still provide the speed and defense that made Crawford so valuable last year even with the negative value his bat added."

Perez wouldn't be a great value in a corner spot (where he would replace Crawford). His value is in CF. And don't forget that the player that was going to Tampa was Joyce anyway who will slide into Crawfords shoes when he leaves. Upton in center isn't going anywhere for a long time so Perez has a really good chance of being expendable or a 4th OFer in Tampa after Upton comes back. That is unless he has a breakout year.

As for Seattle, Gut is the more proven defensive stud and has more pop at the plate. Both guys are the same age and although I like Perez's speed and the fact he's a switch hitter, Gutierrez is the better fit for Seattle in my view.

Midtown said it perfectly. Nothing in there I disagree with. Just so I don't get backlash against me, I won't post my opinions on Schilling (I guess, in a weird way, I just did anyway).

As for baseball itself, I agree with thr33nil on the Mariners. Perez may be good, but Gut has a nasty, nasty, nasty good glove, and has room to develop more pop. I'm loving him in center!

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