Gavin Floyd-Brian Roberts Rumor Shot Down

LOL how many times is Roberts going to be trade rumored ..do it already if youre going to. 2 years in the making :)

Terrible Terrible Idea

I don't understand this move for the Sox. Young power pitcher for a 30-something 2B in a contract year. And the Orioles want more?! We are going to have no one left in our rotation!!

I am not 100% sold on Gavin Floyd being a long term, successful, MLB starting pitcher.

BUT

I don't think I would deal him for a one year rental of Brian Roberts and sole negotiating rights.

Quoting Celtics 464

"he's not going to land them any big time prospects at this point."

Why wouldn't one of the best if not the best leadoff man in baseball not land the Orioles any big time prospects???

I'm confused please explain.....

Gavin Floyd isn't anything special but saving 7.5 million is pretty nice.

I would love to see this happen. I could care less if it works out or not, but just to see a Cub fans face if this goes down would be priceless

why so much hating on brian roberts? cubs fans would be licking their chops

The White Sox currently only have 3 starters, no one in their right mind would trade one of their starters for a soon to be washed up second basemen ESPECIALLY when they have a prospect that is pretty much a young Roberts.

This makes NO sense. The Sox need to add starting pitching not subtract it. I'm all for trading for Roberts but only if it's minor leaguers (Poreda, Broadway, etc.) not guys from the major league roster.

I don't understand KW sometimes. Why trade a young pitcher coming off a great year for a 32 year old 2B? I thought the Cuban they just picked up was going to play 2nd or allow Ramirez to move there instead? Plus Roberts is a FA next year? Strange. I tell you, the W.Sox certainly don't mind trading away good pitching.

I don't understand this move at all. The Sox would be further weakening an already bare bones rotation. Though the infield would be better - Alexei could move to SS now that Cabrera is gone - who are they going pick up to fill the hole in the rotation?

YFS78

The Cuban the Sox picked up, Dayan Viciedo plays 3B/1B depending on his body type in the future. The Sox have Getz to play second. I am certain this rumor will be debunked, it just doesnt seem Logical

This would be a real coup for Baltimore. Yes, Roberts is very good, but who's to say that the O's would not throw a lot of cash at Orlando Hudson after this?

Chicago's rotation would be a mess unless they get into the Lowe/Oliver Perez sweepstakes.

Celtics464, that dosen't mean they wont or couldn't get top prospects for him though.... no matter where B Rob goes he will be testing free agency next winter

By the way Older plays always get prospects

Prospects= young players.....

No way Garret Olsen is part of any trade with Brian Roberts.... too much value for more trades....

White Sox need a lead off hitter and Roberts is one of the best. W.Sox could then pick up Garland. Floyd would give the O's a stable #2.

My thoughts come down to this:

Is Gavin Floyd equal to a top 5 top of the order hitter/2B. Plus the 1st round draft pick and supplemental pick Roberts would net the O's if they let him go. Roberts is going to be a Type A Free Agent.

Roberts won't be 32 until October.

the sox would have no roation at all if they gave up fyloyd

Pull the trigger on this one KW. Floyd is not as good as he seems, only 6.3 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 2.1 K/BB, 1.3 HR/9, and he had a very low .268 BABIP in 2008. Raise that BABIP, and that means more hits, which also means more runs. Those peripherals weren't anything special either. His FIP was at 4.77 and his his xFIP at 4.61. I doubt he has this good of an ERA in 2009, and I'd say around 4.15 at best.

Roberts: extra base hit power, would give us a nice lineup with him leading off. He can take a walk, he has speed, he is consistent. That is perfect for an aging, slow lineup like the White Sox lineup. Try to resign him at the end of 2009, and if we do, going into 2010 we have a possible lineup that looks like this:
1. Brian Roberts DH (not a superb defender)
2. Gordon Beckham 2B
3. Carlos Quentin LF
4. Jermaine Dye RF
5. Paul Konerko 1B
6. Dayan Viciedo 3B
7. Alexei Ramirez SS
8. AJ Pierzynski C
9. Jordan Danks CF? (doubt he will be ready though, more likely end of 2010)

Only people that I see that has a strong possibility of not being here by 2010 are Pierzynski and Konerko.

Isn't Beckham a SS? And BTW, Roberts is an above-average defensive 2B. Stats aren't the end-all and be-all of descriptors, especially defensive stats. Having watched Roberts play for his entire career, he's a very good defender playing behind a pitching staff that can't throw the ball where they want to, which screws up your defensive positioning.

I'd love to see the O's send Roberts and SP Filler (Liz, Penn, Burres) to the ChiSox for Floyd, Getz, and Escobar... or if CubanDuo is to be believed and Josh Fields isn't in the starting lineup then we'll take him, too.

Gavin Floyd grew up living right down the street from Mark Teixeira and they both went to St. Joes. I just want to see a hometown kid back in Baltimore.

Chichago White Sox Point of View: I don't see why they would make this trade because without Gavin Floyd they really do not have a stable rotation and there is always the risk of Brian Roberts leaving after this season, so your losing one of your best starting pitchers from last season for a 2B who is likely to walk? I don't think its a good fit.

Baltimore Orioles Point of View: They need to jump on this trade NOW! if this trade speculation is true. Gavin Floyd is a very solid option to have in Baltimore since he comes from there and he also is a big improvement over Daniel Cabrera or the other options they are considering (Tim Redding, Kenshin Kawakami. Gavin Floyd would be a nice bounty for a second baseman who is in a walk year after this season.

Bob Loblaw I'm certain CubanDuo was talking about 2010. Thome would be gone by then

Roberts is a good defensive 2B? Who says otherwise?

Orioles point of view?

They are going to give up a top leadoff man in his walk year. So if the O's let him walk they should* get 2 top 50 draft picks for him.

Floyd is coming off a 200 inning sub-4 ERA year with a 1.26 WHIP. Where he brought his career ERA down to 4.98
and career WHIP down to 1.436. Which means he could have turned the corner or he had his 1 good season.

So is he worth giving up 2 potential top 50 draft picks for?

*Should doesn't mean will. We all saw that this offseason with the Yankees.

This trade at first seemed like a bad deal for the sox, but then i thought about it for a second. Then i thought of how this trade could possibly work.

First we trade with the Orioles

White Sox:
Gavin Floyd
Chris Getz
Cole Armstrong

Orioles:
Brian Roberts
Rhamedis Liz

We then HAVE to flip Dye. We all must pray daily that San Fran doesn't land Manny or Dunn and would be interested in Dye.

White Sox:
Jermaine Dye
Brent Lillibridge

Giants:
Johnathan Sanchez

Now, we can go after Abreu(probably can sign him to a 1-2 year deal, read older articles) and then sign a FA SP like Carl Pavano

So...

1.Buerhle
2.Danks
3.Sanchez
4.Liz
5.Pavano
(Broadway and Richard out of the pen.)

C.A.J Pierzynski
1B.Paul Konerko
2B.Brian Roberts
3B.Toss Up
SS.Alexei Ramirez
LF.Carlos Quentin
CF.Brian Anderson(no need for Owens)
RF.Abreu

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot but think about it for a second it can happen.

Bob Loblaw-

I have said that Ryan Dempster is a fluke several times. I don't see how that's relevant here. I'm not saying this to attack Floyd. He's going to regress, but he'll remain servicable.

Here's why I say he's going to regress.
FIP: 4.77
tRA: 4.91
HR/9(this is the scary one): 1.30

With both the FIP and the tRA over a run higher than his ERA(3.84), he's bound to regress. He won't be the same pitcher next year that he was this year. He won't be a #2 starter; more of a #4 type.

However, his 1st half/2nd half splits are interesting, and he showed some legit improvement in the 2nd half, along with his BABIP regressing back to the norm.

1st half: 6.07 K/9, 3.80 BB/9, .218 BABIP, 3.69 ERA

2nd half: 6.69 K/9, 2.19 BB/9, .304 BABIP, 4.09 ERA.

He'll regress, just how much is the question.

can someone give me a rundown ongetz, armstrong, fieldsand some other prospect trade possiblities? I'm not familar with the sox farm system

No, ChiSox! Take Figgins!!!

Yea, the odds of it happening are really low, but thats how chaotic things would get for a Roberts deal to happen.

Rex, I understand where you're going and i was going to post the other option of Homer Bailey for Dye but didn't feel like typing that all up.

Liz is awful he's exactally like Daniel Cabrera except younger. In my opinion he has no trade value and I would be shocked if anyone would want him.

on whitesox4life's note, if the team is just rebuilding then why would you trade floyd for a guy who has a higher salery that will disappear after this year? that would just be stupid.

Feilds will not be traded he will be the opening dy strter!

KW has stated many times on the 670 the score he is over budget becuase of the economy.
This trade smells like made up stuff. Now if he flips Roberts to some other team may be but no.

check that 10-26

KW is no dummy. Floyd has a pedestrian fastball and a big curve...not exactly a recipe for consistency. Floyd's value might be as high as it will ever be. I might make this deal if I can get another pitcher on the back end (probably in a deal for Dye). But if the Orioles want more, then it's best just to leave McFail holding the bag...as usual.

@SoxWin

if nothing else I will just be glad to see fields at third insted of Uribe, I hope the White Sox don't pick him up again, he was so unreliable, plus he really was an accident waiting to happen.

Uribe was a great third basemen, granted his hitting was terrible but defensively he was amazing

crunchy,

say what you will about Floyd, but the movement on his pitches is amazing and his stuff is not problematic. It's that he leaves it in the middle of the plate sometimes. But as you saw in his two near no-nos, when he puts it together, he is nearly... unhittable.

tradecentral, there is no way in hell the Sox are going to give up thoughts, Floyd, and Fields, for Liz, Roberts, and Penn. Thoughts alone is worth more than all of them.

I agree with the Sheets signing. Seems the upside is worth the injury risk, and as mentioned, apparently the White Sox have a highly regarded medical staff. Always wondered exactly what went into that. Would love to sign Baldelli too, but assume they couldn't do both - the risk/reward for that is prob. too high. I believe in Floyd - I don't have the numbers offhand, but it seemed to my eyes like he got better as the season went on, so that the peripherals for the full season may not be spot on. May be wrong. But that's how it seemed to me! Even if they don't trade Floyd, think they should sign Sheets.

Gavin Floyd, a 2b with .700+ OPS and good d, and save 7.5million?

Done.

@feathechant

I'm not out of my mind, I clearly said that I didn't see Guthrie being involved. All I said was that really he is the only pitcher the O's have that would even be worth their time. Clayton Richards Stats are pretty much better then any other pitcher that would start for the O's and I don't like the idea of Richard being my number 5 starter right now let alone my 4th. One wild card pitcher is maybe ok, but without Floyd unless Guthrie moved in the trade the sox would have 3 wild card pitchers baring some other trade.

This is a Baltimore writer. Of course this isn't as good as he's making it sound for Baltimore.

This would be a horrible move for the Sox, unless KW is going to sign a Lowe type of guy. Even then, they are still short a SP.

@fearthechant
it might be possiable if the Orioles cover most of Roberts salery, but the sox have faith in getz and I just don't see them adding to a payroll they are trying to reduce to get a slightly above average second basemen.

@XD23
true he would help... if it wasn't for the fact that losing another pitcher would hurt the sox far more then he would help

zulux21 slightly above average does not equal Brian Roberts im sorry.....

I don't think the Orioles cover much if any of Brian Roberts salary maybe 20% Orioles 80% Whitesox

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA every team has faith in prospects, just like the Whitesox have with Getz..... the gamble is do you trade a prospect for a fully developed player in his prime that's the question...

Only time will tell.......... who know maybe tommorrow KW comes out and says no truth or a deal is announced.... Gotta love the new year already...

@fearthechant
I'm glad you have so much faith in brian roberts, really most likely he is at the trail end of his prime or just past it as speedsters tend to degrade rather quickly.

As for my slightly above average comment I tend to consider people like Albert Pujols as truely above average. Truth of the matter is if every second basemen became a free agent next year I am willing to bet that neither the yankees or the red sox would end up with him thus at best he is slightly above average as the yankees only want the best of the best.

On another note I'm not exspecting getz to do much of anything. Lets assume Getz bats .250 with 5 home runs and 15 stolen bases. That Robers hits average numbers so a .290 average and 40 some stolen bases. He would obviously be an upgrade over Getz but most likely Floyd will be a 4.25 era pitcher which if he gets traded with the white sox current farm system will probally be replaced with a 6.0 era pitcher or so. I'm not even sure if Roberts is worth the 1.75 runs that will need to be made up over getz let alone the extra 7 million the sox would need for him. To me it would just be stupid if the sox want to be in contention.

I am tired of hearing people say Liz is not a good pitcher! You guys know nothing last year was his first season and he didnt have time to develope in the Minors and this season he will be able to show how good he is at Spring Training. You Sox Fans watch he is young and he will be a great pitcher and the O's are not gonna give Liz for all u people that think that they arent gonna give any pitchers why do u think they are going for one. Liz is gonna be in the rotation this year.