Yankees Want To Trade Nady

"Yankees Get:
Jake Peavy SP

Padres Get:
Phil Hughes SP
Phil Coke SP/RP
Xavier Nady OF
Melky Cabrera OF
Humberto Sanchez RP
Ian Kennedy SP
Francisco Cervelli C"

Seems to be a bit much don't you think?

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to trade either Swisher or Nady given the market for corner OF. Why can't Swisher start in CF? What you lose in defense you more than make up for in offense when you consider the alternative. Plus, it doesn't hurt to have some OF depth, particularly with Damon and Matsui in the starting lineup.

John Ginder:

It is a little much but think about it. The Yankees signed Mark Teixeira so their 1B slot is solidified for a long time, meaning Jesus Montero will stay a catcher so there is no need for Cervelli. Melky Cabrera and Ian Kennedy both had down years last year but they do have upside. Phil Hughes and Phil Coke would be hard to trade but hey if your getting Jake Peavy and a possible WS ring then i dont care. And your basically dumping Nady to the Padres to sign Manny so its a great trade IMO even if it is a little to much you know you can compete with the Braves and Cubs offer. Meaning you can take off a few players if the Cubs and Braves are officially out of talks.

Will the Yanks get Jake Peavy as the icing on the cake? Nady, Melky, Hughes and Sanchez for Peavy sounds good.
But much more likely is the proposed trade on this blog in which the Yanks get David DeJesus and Zach Greinke. That trade would unquestionably make the Yankees an untouchable juggernaut. In any event, I hope Brian Cashman isn't finished yet because one more big trade is needed to seal the deal in CF and to acquire a top notch #4 starter.
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Ummm...I'm a huge Yankee fan but seriously...why would the Padres take that package?

a) They are not contending this year so Nady will be w/ them for 1 year and then he's gone.

b) W/ new ownership they may not even be shopping him anymore.

c) Melky, even though I love him, hasn't proven himself as a everday CF.

d) Sanchez, who has good potential, hasn't proven that he's back to being the pitcher he was prior to having TJ.

Therefore, as far as the deal is concerned, it boils down to Hughes. As opposed to the deals they passed on which would've netted them 4 or 5 healthy prospects.

Padres won't make that deal and we should all get over this idea of the Yanks stealing away Peavy, Greinke or DeJesus. The Yanks have done a great job of improving the team and the staff overall. Let's not be pigs.

That being said, I think the Yanks can still get 2 decent prospects for Nady, hopefully 2 position prospects since our farm lacks in that area (as opposed to pitching).

snowjev

i actually customized my own M.Holliday jersey on the mlb.com shop

Fair trade for both teams? Nady for Drew Stubbs and Maloney?

"I still think the Yankees should keep Nady and try to work on an extension with him. There is no way any team would allow the Yankees to sign Holliday after what happened this offseason."

Not saying that we should necessarily get Holliday (considering the years he'll want), but what exactly is anyone going to do about it?

no drew stubbs is our future cf in cincy he wont be traded for one year of nady

1st - alonso
2nd - phillips
ss - valiaka
3rd - frazier
lf - votto
cf - stubbs
rf - bruce
c - someone

"Not saying that we should necessarily get Holliday (considering the years he'll want), but what exactly is anyone going to do about it?"

What I was getting at was there will be teams out there with alot more money to spend then the Yankees want to. Even the Yanks have their limits and if it gets too out of hand they will stay out of it.

My god some Yankee fans are driving me crazy,

1) Manny is not coming, no chance, we have the worst fielding OF in the Majors, as is, and he would make it 100x worse. Also are salary is as high as its going to get.

2)They can't trade Matsui, and he can't play the field. He should be back in form though, and if thats the case I wouldn't want him anywhere, he's still one of the best hitters out there, and still only 34.

3) Damon is the only legitamit leadoff hitter on the roster, and can pretty much only play left field, he no longer has the skills to be an everyday CF, and will only ever play there in a pinch.

4) Yanks don't need any pitching prospects, they are stacked with pitching prospects, its why their AAA and AA teams won championships. The only way they take one for Nady is If he's a stud that they could flip for something they do need.

5) Yanks needs are for a short term everyday great fielding CF that will be replace by Ajax in a year or two, a great young catcher to replace Posoda in a year, and a good/great SS prospect, incase Jeter continues his sharp decline.

and to the non yankee fans:

Prospects are just that, Nady is a sure thing, even if he is a Boras client and a FA after this year, your best way to lure a player like that is to trade for him and let him get a feel for your organization, if you dont take chances like that you will never be able to sign anyone but the garbage left over at the end of the year.

"Yankees Get:
Homer Bailey SP
Drew Stubbs OF

Reds Get:
Xavier Nady OF
Cash (eat his contract)

Then the Yankees turn around and offer the Royals a package invlolvng Zack Grienke and David DeJesus...

Yakees Get:
Zack Grienke SP
David DeJesusOF

Royals Get:
Drew Stubbs OF
Homer Bailey SP
Ian Kennedy SP
Nick Swisher 1B
Melky Cabrera OF
Phil Coke SP"

that is the stupidest trade i ever heard in my life.

"Personally I'd rather not sign Holliday for 150m+ but you cant count out the yankees."

All of baseball is going to find out about Holliday this season, if he can actually hit out of that high altitude place they call a stadium Coors Field and on a real field like Oakland Colosseum. His huge FA season that both Boras and himself are banking on rests with this 1 season and it will be interesting to watch.

0bsessions-
Grienke is a pitcher for KC that is already an accomplished ML starter, I would assume the pitching prospect you meant from Cincy is Homer Bailey. But as far as being graded higher than Hughes or Bucholz thats really incorrect (according to Baseball America) he was right behind Hughes in 2007 (ahead of Buchholz, who was much further down that year, in 2008 Buchholz was ranked better than him as was Joba who was the #1 pitching prospect that year. Since then and like both Hughes and Buchholz hes had some trouble pitching on the major league level, but the big difference is he's also been pitching poor in the minors as well. Also Hughes was the #1 rated pitching prospect in baseball in both 2006 and 2007.

there should be no rush to get rid of anybody wait and see how Matsui is before trading a possible replacement for peanuts he had surgery on his knee i mean he probaly won't be in the outfield all year so swisher is your fourth outfielder and backup at first if you trade him you have 3 outfielders melky or gardner is going to make the team not both damon been having some issues with health as of late as well

bravesfan: joba chamberlain himself would be worth more than the braves could even offer at this point..dont get why you brought that up

Actually, his value has dropped significantly since his trade to the Yankees. Have you ever heard of splits, or did you just look at the combined line averaged between his great season in Pittsburgh and the utter abortion that was his time in New York? The guy has NEVER been able to hit outside of Pittsburgh. His OPS+ dropped almost a full forty points when he went from Pittsburgh to NY.

His trade value is as close to absolute zero as it's going to get after the joke that was his time in NY this past season. He had a line of .260/.320/.474 after moving to NY. Who would give up anything of value for that?
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Obsessions you can have your opinion about Nady but you are misguided to say that his value has gone down. His bat avg and obp slipped but what is that really indicative of? More than likely he'll hit closer to .275 than he will .330, granted. But his power production actually improved (1:35 w/ the Pirates and 1:19 w/ the Yanks).

I still think Nady to the Giants for Rowand makes the most sense, Yanks can eat his contract and he fits their needs better. Giants would probably jump at the chance to get rid of Rowand's contract.

Joba for Heyward lol, thats the funniest I've ever heard yet. Joba for Heyward, McCann, and Josh Anderson now thats more realistic might work.

yankee77, that would make it perfect, don't even know if you would need the +1.
As for Grienke, Yanks dont need anymore pitching, I'd rather see what Hughes can do for a whole season w/o injury, and the pressure to be our savior.

I mean one of the most dominant, not the.

Judge Joba is great im not going to dispute that but your offer is ridiculous. Joba has not put up a dominant season in the starting rotation yet and you're asking for either the best or second best OF prospect in baseball and the second best catcher. You're dreaming. Heyward and parts(not the second best catcher in baseball though) for Joba is fair but its not going to happen because neither team would move those guys and im not advocating this trade just saying it is fair. All i said was in response to a trade idea from a yankees fan and i said for the braves to even listen joba would have to be in the offer but im realistic and know that will not happen

You had some good posts up top, judge, but no thanks on Rowand

"Both of those trade proposals are so batcrap insane I don't know quite where to start. Hughes is the only high level player in that package (Everyone else is second tier at best) and even he's proven to be potentially problematic. The Yankees aren't getting Peavy without parting with Joba. Deal with it."

whoa.. Hughes and Joba package for Peavy??? wishful thinking of a RSN fan? get outa here 0bsessions

"They should keep ALL the OF's. Matsui is the DH, Gardner in CF, Nady in RF, Swish backing up all three and 1b. Injuries are part of the game and Swish could be the first REAL bat the Yankees have had off the bench in some time. If mid-year everyone in the OF is healthy but there is another injury or glaring need, use one of the OF's in a trade THEN. "

I completely agree with this statement. I don't understand why Cashman would shop Nady around at this point. Just keep what we have. See if you can get Sheets to sign for a 1 year deal with solid pay (I'd think the $13 million range plus incentives). If not, just stick to the young guns battling it out for the 5th spot. We're fine the way we are, I don't think the Yanks are going to get anything great in return for Nady, so why shop him when we can use him effectively?

He'll likely be a Type A free agent next season. If he has a halfway decent year this season (which is likely), we'd offer him arbitration. He'll most likely deny (Boras is his agent), and then the Yanks net 2 draft picks.

ArodMVP217- what do you have against Rowand, I mean aside from his contract, which is atrocious, but easily doable for the Yanks, I mean he is exactly what the Yanks need in return for Nady, his numbers aren't much different, plus he plays a good CF, and has some speed, perfect for holding the position till AJax is ready, then using him in LF or as a fourth when he comes up. I would certainly prefer an OF of Damon-Rowand-Swisher, over Damon-Gardner/Cabrera-Nady

Why would Cashman admit he'd rather trade Nady?

1. It hurts his bargaining power if teams know that's who he wants to deal.

2. If he can't trade him, or find a deal he likes, Nady knows the GM wants him out.

"In their current roster logjam, the Yankees would strongly prefer to trade Xavier Nady and retain Nick Swisher, a person familiar with the club's thinking said yesterday".
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No where does it say that Cashman made the statement that he would prefer to trade Nady. Obviously that would make more sense, but it's a "scource" not words from his mouth, so he really isn't tipping his hand and losing any leverage cmac1973.

Yanks do need a 5th starter . (if Pettite doesn't return) .

Here why -

Whith Joba on a strict pitch count and Hughes Aceves and Coke not ready , innings and arm strength wise . The Yankees need someone to eat up innings. or our bullpen will be in shambles by mid june

Don't be surprised if the Yankees end up trading Nady and then signing Abreu to a one year incentive based contract.

Peavy would be the Ace of that rotation, not CC.

But it won't happen, the Yankees don't have enough quality prospects to sway the dads.

Kdub is right. If you are talking a trade between the Giants and Yankee's, the most likely scenario would be Swisher for Rowand. The Giants could probably get Swisher for less, but they would realistically need to clear payroll. The fact that Swisher is proven at 1B, possibly can play center, and has a contract beyond this season give him a distinct advantage over Nady in the eyes of Brian Sabean. All arguments aside, the fact that ANYONE will become a free agent after the seasons end makes them irrelevant to what the Giants are trying to do.

As for Jonathan Sanchez, Brian Wilson, and Sergio Romo, Yankee fans are dreaming if they think any of these players would be included in any deal to them. I could see Jack Tacshner, Eugenio Velez, and a decent minor league prospect (Henry Sosa?), but not a great one, as enough value for Swisher, but the problem remains about payroll. Either the Giants get creative first or make a deal first, or the Yankee's take on some of the money.

"Will he be a Type A player if he has a good year?"

He's a Type A even if he has a mediocre year as long as he doesn't get hurt. It's only the last 2 seasons that count towards Elias, and he had a monster 2008.

Giants and Yankees make the most sense for a Swisher trade. From all accounts, the Yanks are okay with platooning Melky and Damon in CF for now until the kid Jackson comes up. Swisher would warrant a Henry Sosa and a Jack Taschner trade. They may be able to get Pucetas from the Giansts, but that could be tough. If Lowry proves to be able to pitch, straight up Swish for Noah. But that won't happen until mid to end of spring training.
Giants need Swish and he'd be perfect for them.

Burris 2nd
Renteria SS
Swish 1st
Sandoval 3rd
Lewis LF
Rowand CF
Molina C
Winn RF

Thats not a bad lineup.

Sandoval for Nady WILL NOT HAPPEN. 1st Sandoval is receiving cult status already here, 2nd. He's cheap and signed for years vs Nady for 2009. Won't happen. The only way Nady is even discussed is if it's a sign and trade, and that won't happen either because, correct me if I'm wrong, he's a Boras guy.

Why would the Yankees think they can get a premium price for Nady? Corner outfielders can be picked up for next to nothing right now. Why give up something in a trade?

Kfer- You bring up a good point, the sign and trade.

I honestly think that if Nady is traded, Boras should try

I mean, Boras doesn't ALWAYS guide his clients to FA. I can think of two times where his client had a career year, and then signed an extension with his current team: Kyle Lohse and Carlos Pena. Pena has produced the worth of his contract, but Lohse is a wild card.

With Nady's production in '08 being flukish, I could see Boras attempting that.

"Peavy- Career ERA - 3.25
Sabathia- Career ERA - 3.66

It appears Peavy is a little better. PERIOD."

Where does Peavy pitch? Park, division, and league.

Where did Sabathia pitch for the bulk of his career? Park, division, and league.

Rex,
I see you're point, but I still don't think the Giants need a corner OF "only" guy. The have Rowand, Winn (through 2009) Lewis and Scherholtz. And a couple of kids coming up. Swish is a much better trade than Nady. Besides, I think the Giants are going to do all they can to get Holliday next offseason. After seeing him bang out HR during the allstar game in SF, they know he can hit there.
So no Manny, no Nady, no Cantu EE or Dunn.
I'm holding fast to the "Giants in 2010" Battle cry.
Giants fans, tell me I'm not crazy here.

Unless the Yankees are planning on signing Manny or trading for Nate McLouth, David DeJesus or Jake Peavy, I say keep them both. Expect Damon and/or Matsui to be hurt @ some point this year. Let Gardner and Melky fight it out in triple AAA and see if they can be used for something by July 31st.

"Peavy- Career ERA - 3.25
Sabathia- Career ERA - 3.66

It appears Peavy is a little better. PERIOD."

Jake Peavy- Career ERA+ of 121.

CC Sabathia- Career ERA+of.. 121.

ERA+ takes park factors and league factors into consideration.

Once doing that, you'll see that both Peavy and Sabathia happen to actually have an IDENTICAL ERA+. PERIOD.

Rex,
I blog corrected.

"Why would the Yankees think they can get a premium price for Nady? Corner outfielders can be picked up for next to nothing right now. Why give up something in a trade?"

1) Yankees <> Yankee fans. Last I heard, Cashman hasn't come out and said "I need Hanley Ramirez in order to trade Nady" or anything like the idiotic trades hereabouts.

2) The Yankees will not trade players merely to save salary room. If they deal Nady or Swisher, it's because the prospects/players they receive wow them.

This isn't unlike my keeper league fantasy team, where I can keep ARod for 1 more season, despite having what looks like a crappy team for 2009. I'll trade him, but not for a package of scrubs - I need something that I'll actually use (preferably someone I can keep for 1-2 years in the future by my league's rules).

The default position is to not trade them. But if Cashman is wowed, he'd be an idiot not to make a deal. I don't see him pulling a Hendry and trading Nady for some 2nd tier prospects, though.

Oh yeah, when is Madonna scheduled to sing the national anthem for the Yankees. I think ARod had Boras rewrite his contract to include his new girlfirend. Eecckk

"Why would the Yankees think they can get a premium price for Nady? Corner outfielders can be picked up for next to nothing right now. Why give up something in a trade?"

1) Yankees <> Yankee fans. Last I heard, Cashman hasn't come out and said "I need Hanley Ramirez in order to trade Nady" or anything like the idiotic trades hereabouts.

2) The Yankees will not trade players merely to save salary room. If they deal Nady or Swisher, it's because the prospects/players they receive wow them.

This isn't unlike my keeper league fantasy team, where I can keep ARod for 1 more season, despite having what looks like a crappy team for 2009. I'll trade him, but not for a package of scrubs - I need something that I'll actually use (preferably someone I can keep for 1-2 years in the future by my league's rules).

The default position is to not trade them. But if Cashman is wowed, he'd be an idiot not to make a deal. I don't see him pulling a Hendry and trading Nady for some 2nd tier prospects, though.

Posted by: V | January 09, 2009 at 11:56 AM

V-
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"A Nady deal is even less likely because the Yankees will demand top young talent"

I think you took my comment from the wrong angle. From the Yankees prospective, if you can move Nady for a good package (of young talent), then it probably makes all the sense in the world.

But my comment was from the perspective of every other team in MLB. Why trade away anything of value for a corner outfielder who is a free agent after this season, when there are plenty of cheap, viable corner outfield options available via free agency?

"I think you took my comment from the wrong angle. From the Yankees prospective, if you can move Nady for a good package (of young talent), then it probably makes all the sense in the world.

But my comment was from the perspective of every other team in MLB. Why trade away anything of value for a corner outfielder who is a free agent after this season, when there are plenty of cheap, viable corner outfield options available via free agency?"

Totally agreed, which is why I don't see Nady or Swisher being dealt this offseason.

But, if the Reds have soured on Bailey, and can't get anything better for him, and really want Nady, then a deal can be made (see: Yankees, Tabata, 2008). Bailey's obviously closer to the majors than Tabata, but his stock is lower than Hughes' (who, other than a worrying list of injuries, hasn't been horrible).

Swisher to the Giants sounds like a perfect fit. He has power and can play first base. What do you guys think the Giants will give in return?

Rex: That one mean Voodoo hex you put on Zito in response. I'm impressed.

Yankfan1: I could see Rowand for Swisher. ( I know echo effect.) In a smaller park or on a team that can score his glove work is still decent. Both teams would be beting that last year was an aberration. Of coarse just because I can see it does not mean Sabean sees it that way.