Cardinals Far Apart With Ankiel, Ludwick

I'll trade for both of them while giving up Soriano?...lol..

They will screw this up just like the whole off season we have had! I've been a Cards fan my whole life and this offseason has showed me they are not making the moves needed to win

I agree, southpaw. This organization isn't doing anything to make the team better. Basically this whole off-season they have rented a shortstop for a year and picked up some average, at best, left handed pitchers. The thing that kills me is that dedicated Cardinals fans will still pack the seats game after game. The big shots know this, and that's why they aren't worried about spending any money. They know we'll pay the money to go to Busch whether they make some big moves or not.

How can you say the Cardinals have made a ton of bad moves this off-season?!?!? Bad moves would be holding on to Ankiel and possibly both of these guys could be a mistake! Ludwick I'm tempted to hold on to, but Ankiel should've been shipped out already, HE"S A BORAS CLIENT!!!

I agree, southpaw. This organization isn't doing anything to make the team better. Basically this whole off-season they have rented a shortstop for a year and picked up some average, at best, left handed pitchers. The thing that kills me is that dedicated Cardinals fans will still pack the seats game after game. The big shots know this, and that's why they aren't worried about spending any money. They know we'll pay the money to go to Busch whether they make some big moves or not.

Agree 100%

The Cardinals have had a rough offseason,losing out on Holliday and Peavy and Fuentes and now floated the idea of selling instead of buy. Surprised they didn't look at Looper, or Wolf for that matter. The cornerstone is obviously Albert, but he didn't even get his way when his hopes were squashed about Manny

Sign Sheets?

I think some of you guys need to wake up. Not sure what moves you have been expecting...but the Cards are not giving a pitcher 3-5 years (and alot of these guys have been asking including Looper) and they never really were players for Peavy as the price was too high. The market is slow. I think they will make a trade and possibly a last minute move, but a trade is probably n ot gonna happen until these free agent outfielders find homes. Nobody is gonna make a trade for the Cards outfielders giving up players when they can sign an Abreu, Dunn, etc. Be patient!

And they won't invest in injury prone pitchers...they just won't. The idea of the FO making some big move is just wishful thinking. They are pushing the farm system and it has been working. For those who prefer proven players you will probably not be happy. Oh well. Maybe you should look forward to see who will step up this season (Rasmus, Wallace, Motte/Perez, etc) instead of bitching about woulda coulda shoulda.

I am not saying they shouldn't make a move. I just think the market is setting the pace. They will probably only trade or sign a pitcher on the cheap...which means its gonna be a while. Get over it.

And this team is not that bad. They have improved from last year's team.

I'd be worried if I was a Cards fan about Pujols in 2012. I know I shouldn't start this debate again. But it could be like Lebron with the Cavs when he went public saying he was unhappy with the team not supplying any talent around him. Pujols is the type of player that would honor a franchise as long as they as driven to compete year in year out. He would probably take less than he is worth to stay with the Cardinals if they had a shot. but I would be worried because Pujols is not going to be a Trevor Hoffman and stay with a losing franchise because he enjoys it there.

Manny and Pujols in the same lineup. Wow. Whoever would be batting 2nd would not see a curve ball all year (exaggerating of course but you get my drift).

I don't get the bad wrap on Manny. Up until last year every teammate and coach said he was great in the clubhouse and had great work ethic. Yes he is Manny but it never hurt the team or his production. There are bigger cancers in baseball who are getting contracts this year (Pavano, Bradley etc) so why not Manny? To not even be open to the idea, at any price is just ridiculous.

STL

I think that there will be a lot of pitchers available at the start of ST that will take a one year deal. I still kinda think they are trying to trade for that pitcher but I could be wrong.

I agree with hombrej. I think all of you naysayers will be surprised as to how good of a team we will have this year. Just look at the 2008 American League Champion Tampa Bay Rays - whom by the way damn near won the WS by means of using what? That's right, mainly in-house talent. To me the Rays proved that you don't have to pay out millions upon millions upon millions in proven player salary like the Cubs and Yankees have in order to get to and win the WS. I thnink you naysayers need to take a few steps back and look at the whole picture before you go on a rant about how stingy our FO is. We don't NEED Peavy, nor Fuentes to get back to October baseball. What we do need however is for our young talent to step up and make prime contributions. That might just mean the difference as to who wins the NL central division this year.

hey ozarks, dick justice is a moron who doesn't know what he's talking about, cards might be okay in the weak central but the cubs are gonna take the division unless huge injuries happen. Cubs might not have the team they did last year, they might even have a better one. and im a cards fan

The Cards have to do something!! Maybe Larry Walker has been working out...

Everybody knows the Cardinals aren't gonna spend anymore money than they have to. Dal Maxville made good deals and I haven't seen Mozelik make one yet. I'm a die hard Cardinals' fan and it pisses me off to see him get rid of all the good players and bring in duds, guys who are washed up. I've got a bad feeling if we don't win, we'll lose Pujols too.