Gammons On Matthews, Teahen, Harang, Peavy

Yes ace level pitcher signed for mid level dollars. If the Reds decide they have to move him I don't ever want to hear them complain about not being able to field a winner again.

I'm a lifelong Reds fan and, outside of Jim Bowden (who never really spoke--or cared to speak--for anyone other than Jim Bowden) I have literally never heard the organization complain about being able to field a winner. Like any small market team, I think they recognize that the margin for error is way smaller than with a New York team. But they also know you can build from within, make smart trades and still compete. (aka not follow the Jim Bowden model of assembling a team of 25 "toolsy" outfielders who can't actually play baseball)

If the Reds move Harang b/c there not winning this year I'm done with em. If you need to trade a veteran pitcher with a big contract move Arroyo, or even Cordero. Guys that can be replaced, not a guy signed to a cheap deal. This would be especially pathetic if it was a move to get prospects, and not MLB level talent. All I hear from this teams fans and management is all the talent that will make it to the bigs in the next two years to join the young talent that is already there. Trading Harang now for prospects would seem to indicate the exact opposite.

I don't think Milwaukee traded all their young talent, but they may not necessarily have what San Diego would want in return, which is big league-ready starting pitching prospects (that and, I don't really think Milwaukee is on the list of teams Peavy would waive his NTC for). But that wouldn't be the first instance of Hall being delusional; he's already got delusions of being an everyday major league third baseman.

Brewers in on Peavy? Sorry Bill, but I think they traded all their young talent last year to get CC.

Posted by: RoyHobbs | March 23, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Roy,

I'm actually going to totally disagree with what you said. While I don't think the Brewers will trade for Peavy simply because they probably can't afford him and should be somewhere around 10 games behind the Cubs by trading deadline, but I believe they still have more then enough prospects to trade for him.

I'm sure I'm going to have a certain fan base that is going to disagree with me, and thats cool. But I'll present the facts...

Assuming the padres and cubs were somewhat close to the trade, or at the very least talked about it, (which I think is pretty hard to argue against) and what the cubs supposed package was going to be Vitters, possibly Cedeno at the time, Marshall,another mid level prospect, Pie or Garret Olson (can't be both cause they were traded for each other) I would say based on what the Brewers still have in their farm system they easily have the prospects in their system and could put together a deal that would be twice as good as anything the cubs could offer.

Per baseball america, The cubs have two prospects in the top 100. Josh Vitters at 51 and Jeff Samardzjia at 79.

The Brewers have 4. Alcides Escobar at 19, who's arguably the top ss prospect in baseball and would be a perfect fit since they lost Greene. They also have Mat Gamel at 34. A 3B which is the same position Josh Vitters plays and Gamel is ranked higher. 81 a cather named Brett Lawrie, and number 100 a pitcher named Jeffrey Jeffress. Don't know alot about those 2 guys, but I do know that there aren't a whole lot of catchers ranked in the top 100.

The cubs were also supposedly offering Sean Marshall in the deal...nice pitcher, probably will do a nice job this year, but he's probably a 4 or 5 starter. The Brewers could offer either Manny Parra or Carlos Villanueva, who are around the same age, and Parra especially has a ton more upside then Sean Marshall.

My point isn't that the Brewers will try to trade for Peavy cause I don't think they will. My point was assuming the rumors were true and the names we heard being exchanged by the cubs were true,and the padres were at least thinknig of making the deal..not only do the brewers have enough to trade for Peavy, they could put together an offer that would be heads and tails better then anything the cubs could put together. This argument is strictly based on talent and nothing to do with money because I also know the one thing the cubs will do is pick up the rest of Peavy's contract and the Brewers won't which is another reason Peavy won't be in Milwaukee.

It's official: Gammons is ready for the home!

Why on earth would the Yankees be considering Matthews Jr?? He's 35 coming off knee surgery...with an obscene contract...and has now been demoted to a 5th oufielder spot despite making 10 mill per, because he couldn't hit a beach ball last year. At this point is his career, I'd take Melky over him, let alone Gardner. PASS!!

"Brewers third baseman Bill Hall expects his team to pursue Padres ace Jake Peavy if available this summer. Unlike C.C. Sabathia, Peavy is more than a rental."

Really Bill? Did you forget that Peavy has a no trade claus and has to approve the team? You know what Bill - I want a toliet made of gold but its just not in the cards now is it.

Haha, gettem Walt. He's right, Gammons is just speculating and has no idea what he's talking about. That's funny though.

Gamel+Escobar+Odorizzi for Peavy is the best offer any team has put forward so far, and would completely blow ANY deal the Cubs could make out of the water.

Huh? The Brewers have tons of young talent. The only "top" prospects that they lost in the CC deal were LaPorta and Brantley. The others weren't top prospects. The Tribe got more for Santana then they did Sabathia.

Some combination of Gamel, Escobar, Jeffries, Lawrie, and Salome should easily get Peavy. Not all of those guys, obviously, but 3 of them. I think Jeffries has to be in any deal, as the Padres NEED pitching more than anything.

"...bill hall should worry about Gamel...not Peavy. "

Gamel isn't/won't be a third baseman.

I agree he shouldnt be but who will be? Hall everyday? maybe the kid the brewers got from the cubs? he almost has to be in the mix.

I am a Brewer fan and of course I would love to see Peavy in a Crew uniform, but I agree with several on here. The move just doesn't make sense for the Brewers. The Brewers got to the point they are at by building from within their farm system, not by making wreckless trades. Lawrie is young...probably a few years away. In fact he hasn't even played in the Brewers system yet. He was the Crew's first round pick last year, but he's been playing with Team Canada in both the Olympics and WBC. He just switched to 2B, which opens up the catching job for Angel Salome. The Brewers won't trade Escobar, nor should they. This guy is going to be good...and they'll hang on to Gamel, although I don't know if he'll end up at 3B.
Either way, Peavy just doesn't fit in the Brewers plans. They don't need to get rid of ALL of their homegrown, cheap talent, create holes elsewhere, and pick up a mega contract and then lose Peavy to free agency anyway. The prospects that people have been throwing around as possibilities are the future of the team...and its easy to see that they will slot in soon. This is the final year on Kendall's contract...if Weeks doesn't pan out this year I don't think he'll be a brewer too much longer, and Hall likely has a short leash on him this year.
They definitely have the talent to pull of a deal...but the brewer front office isn't dumb enough to do that.

Gammons really reported the Reds are trading Votto? Lunacy.

It is no secret Peter Gammons is a Red Sox season ticket holder, so I think he floats these things out there to see if they stick.

Why does Gammons act as if NY was where overaged and overpayed players in decline go to die? What are...the the "Del Boca Vista Phase II" of baseball? I mean sure we went after Damon and etc but at least they were productive players.

Yeah, Don't believe the Harrang thing for one sec. The Reds actually have a pretty good starting staff. Harrang looked good in 2 of his last 3 starts so I don't wanna hear any trade offers on Harrang cause he is not going anywhere at his price tag. If the team is a flop, like someone above mentioned Arroyo or Cordero will go before Harrang ever does.