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Thanks for the link Ben -- but NPB payroll piece was actually written by Ryo Shinkawa.
Posted by: pnewman | April 25, 2009 at 01:15 PM
Wasn't Brian Bruney also injured?
Posted by: icedrake523 | April 25, 2009 at 01:37 PM
yankees brought up berroa for ransom, robertson for wang(hughes will be up when wang's spot in the rotation comes up in detroit), and I also heard that melancon might be coming up for bruney.
Posted by: jpg1200 | April 25, 2009 at 01:47 PM
I really thought the Braves were past all their injuries after the 1974197 last season to the pitching staff. I could care less about Garrett Anderson being injured, honestly because i really dont think Garrett Anderson cares at all about the Braves. Im worried about McCann tho. He IS the best all-around young catcher in baseball. You're a goofball if you think anything different.
Posted by: bravesfansc | April 25, 2009 at 01:55 PM
Mauer is actually better.
Posted by: icedrake523 | April 25, 2009 at 01:59 PM
Looks like that 200 million dollar machine is a Ford.
Posted by: xethicx | April 25, 2009 at 02:05 PM
"He IS the best all-around young catcher in baseball. You're a goofball if you think anything different"
I guess I am a goofball because Joe Mauer is a better all around catcher ANY day of the week. And there's that guy Russell Martin that also might have something to say about your claim as well. He's also better than McCann in MANY scouts opinions.
McCann is great but aside from homerun power, there is nothing he does better than Mauer. McCann is also not in good enough shape, he's getting tubbier and tubbier each year and in the long run that will make for more injuries as long as Atlanta keeps him behind the plate, they should think about what theyre going to do about that because he's too tubby to play 3rd, there's no DH and they have the only piece of the Tex trade they have left at 1st base.
I agree that Atlanta doesnt win much without McCann but he is plain and simple NOT the best catcher in the game right now and when Weiters gets to the show, McCann will then be #4 on that list.
Is Man Ram also the best left fielder in baseball in your eyes?
Posted by: xethicx | April 25, 2009 at 02:12 PM
Amazing....McCann has produced 3 all-star caliber years before turning 25 and your ready to annoint a guy who's never had a major league at bat as a better player? I guess that's the world we live in where potential over ranks actual mlb production. McCann is also a solid 6'3 240lb. Mauer, w/ his back problems might be the one who won't last at C and if you move his bat away from that position then he just isn't that valuabe is he?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | April 25, 2009 at 02:28 PM
I meant 230 lb.
Mauer by the way is 6'5 225 lbs. Not much of a difference.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | April 25, 2009 at 02:29 PM
xethicx
I think it is fair too say that you do not watch McCann too much or you would know that he is not getting tubbier. He dropped 25 lbs this off season and he looks great.
After looking at their career stat lines you would be right to think the totals say that there is nothing that McCann does better than Mauer other than HR.
At a closer look all their hitting total are near identical and Mauer has another year of playing time in his career totals!
As far as hitting goes Mauer will strikeout less and walk more. But since you already conceded that McCann has more HR power, it is to be expected that he will K more and walk a little less.
Mauer is about 15% better defensively but I would say they are very comparable and if anyone should be moving out from behind the plate it would be Mauer because of how poorly tall catchers fair health wise over a career.
Posted by: SoleMaverick | April 25, 2009 at 02:30 PM
So if Wang was hurt then why didn't he just say that? He could've made the problem worse by trying to pitch thru it.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | April 25, 2009 at 02:31 PM
Yea, im agreeing with YFS78. There is no way you can say a prospect is better than a 3 time allstar, before he plays a game. With Mauer having a semi-serious injury, I think its Martin and McCann basically tied(they came up similar time, McCann is more offensive, but Martin is more defensive. Also, Martins stats on both sides were worse because he catched 149 games, tied for first in the ML. Then Mauer, and then its gets cloudy, possibly Soto.
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | April 25, 2009 at 02:35 PM
Also, is anyone kinda sick of hearing about Strasburg, over 2 months before the draft?
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | April 25, 2009 at 02:37 PM
I'll take McCann over Mauer or Martin, although they are both great. It is a matter of preference. Mauer also may not be able to stick behind the plate as long as McCann does.
Posted by: nrmax88 | April 25, 2009 at 03:01 PM
Then again, I will probably change my mind in at some point. All I know is those 3 are all terrific. I see McCann the most and right now he is my guy.
Posted by: nrmax88 | April 25, 2009 at 03:02 PM
I didn't realize Bruney was injured and on the 15 day DL as well. Wow...Arod, Nady, Wang, Bruney and Ransom. I't a good opportunity to see if the Yanks kids can step up. Hopefully, Hughes, Melancon, Roberts and Berroa can step up and deliver, especially the pitchers.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | April 25, 2009 at 03:04 PM
"Also, is anyone kinda sick of hearing about Strasburg, over 2 months before the draft?"
Not at all. The draft is a little over a month away and Strasburg is possibly the only future star in a really weak pool of players. Then again, I'd be more excited if teams could trade up. Wonder if the Nats could've gotten a package equal to a frontline starter for the first pick?
Posted by: nextdaytonmoore | April 25, 2009 at 03:37 PM
Litsch, Romero, BJ Ryan go down, not a word. Any Yankee goes to DL, front page news.
Posted by: juiced | April 25, 2009 at 03:50 PM
"Litsch, Romero, BJ Ryan go down"
Who?
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | April 25, 2009 at 07:57 PM
"Litsch, Romero, BJ Ryan go down, not a word. Any Yankee goes to DL, front page news."
Probably because an awful lot of NYY, NYM, Boston, and Cubbie fans post here and really not a lot of Blue Jays fans do when topics are started is the reason and can only think of a small handful of Jays posters by name.. Not meant as a slight by any means.
I think Mauer is the best of the trio mentioned above, though I watch mostly AL games over NL and LAD more so than games the Braves are involved in. Mauer is the best all around hitter of the bunch and defensive catcher IMO, but Martin seems to be a real force as well. McCann is a team leader type from what I have gathered, much like a Varitek style player who demands the respect of his pitchers and even more importantly, gets it which after a few more years may be very important to the young pitchers that they have coming up.
If was building a team and had a choice of those 3 though, I'd still take Mauer for all around abilities.
Posted by: johns | April 25, 2009 at 08:42 PM
"Litsch, Romero, BJ Ryan go down, not a word. Any Yankee goes to DL, front page news."
Acutally a lot was said about Bj Ryan. Most realize how good a season he had last yr. As for the other 2, its because most fans dont really care when bullpen guys go down, except for closers. Itd be like if Will Ohman went down for the dodgers, dodger fans would care, but most of baseball wouldnt. The Yanks have lost Wang, one of their better starters(before last yr, considered by many to be the next Yankee ace), Arod, the highest paid player and anything he does is overblown, and Nady, whom they tried to trade last offseason, was their starting RF and it also gave Swisher a chance to start, after he was rolling early in the season. It also has to do with location, NY is a bigger baseball town than Toronto, at least by the amount of news.
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | April 25, 2009 at 08:52 PM
Hearing about Sanchez makes me wonder why it almost always seems to be Latin ballplayers caught with steroids in the minors.
I get why minor leaguers get caught - they don't have the $$ the major league players have for the fancy designer drugs that are undetectable.
But why it's usually Latin ballplayers is a mystery. Do they just cheat more often? Is it more readily available in other countries and that's why? Or, is it because they can't read English well and so they don't know what they're taking?
Posted by: rememberthecoop | April 25, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Batting Average:
Mauer > McCann
Getting on base:
Mauer > McCann
Hitting for Power:
McCann > Mauer
Defense:
Mauer > McCann.
Overall Mauer's better, but not by a whole lot. I'm happy Anderson is on the DL and I'm not too concerned with McCann if he's only going to be out 2 weeks because we've got David Ross, a more than adequate back-up.
Posted by: PWHjort | April 25, 2009 at 10:13 PM
part of the reason I put mauer behind McCann and Martin is because at 25, when a 6-5 catcher has a back injury, no matter how serious, is alarming
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | April 25, 2009 at 11:19 PM
McCann and Mauer are both on the disabled list right now, so there's really not a huge point in comparing them until they get back and get readjusted.
With both of them at full though I still think I'd take McCann. Mauer is better at average, but not by any incredible amount, McCann is still a two-time silver slugger winner.
McCann's power absolutely dwarves Mauer's however. 70 HR in 4 years for McCann and 44 in 5 years for Mauer.
Mauer's semi-speed has dried up (doubt we'll see him break double digits again even) while McCann has gotten slightly faster (again though, be surprised if he ever hits double digits).
Defense is where it's not even close however. Mauer's gold-glove defense is worlds above where McCann has ever been. Brian has said he's actively trying to improve his defense, but until he does, this is a one-sided fight as Mauer's catagory.
Posted by: FBIRem | April 26, 2009 at 02:12 AM
SoleMaverick:
I never said McCann wasnt amazing and I never said the others were WAY better. Its a pretty close spread between Mauer, McCann and Martin in my opinion. But overall, Mauer is plain and simple a better athlete, a better contact hitter and better defensively but its not like McCann is way behind him in any catagory.
In regard to Weiters, no he hasnt taken a big league at bat but even right now, he has a better skill set than 85-90% of the catchers in baseball. I dont think he will stay a catcher long though, theyll move him to 1B within 1-2 seasons if theyre smart just like Minnesota would have done with Mauer had they not had Morneau over there.
Its close on all accounts but I would take Mauer or Martin before McCann.
Posted by: xethicx | April 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM
re: xethic
I'm not sure I agree with it being a terrible idea to keep an elite catcher behind the plate. I think for a guy like McCann whose best contribution is with the bat (which is not to say he's not adequate as a defensive catcher, but he's clearly not the type of defender that the Molinas are, for instance) it could make sense to move him, but Mauer primarily hits for average, not power, which is what the best hitting catchers generally do (again, McCann excepted). Pudge, Posada, Varitek, all of these guys in their prime weren't really sluggers, they were generally good hitters. More to the point, Mauer's defense at catcher is truly elite, and you get a lot more value out of his bat and defense at catcher than you would if he were the 1st baseman. Personally, if it weren't for the injury issues he's had and likely will have as a result of his size, I would have him catch for as long as he's able. You just get so much value out of him that way that it doesn't make sense to move him.
I'd personally (if they weren't injured of course) take Mauer, then Martin, then McCann. This is primarily b/c of Mauer's exceptional catching value and Martin's defense as well as his ability to play 3rd quite well on days when he's not catching. This lets you keep him in the lineup and freely pinch-run for your catcher knowing that you can shift him back to C if you need to. McCann may eventually prove similar as a C/1B, but for now he's a catcher through and through. Any one of those guys would be a great starting point for a team, though.
I'm certainly not prepared to anoint Wieters with anything yet. He's going to have to prove himself in a tough division, and it will be interesting to see what if anything he can do. He does start off behind those three guys though, since his name doesn't start with M :-).
-JM
Posted by: jagteq | April 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM
It would depend on what your team needs are. McCann is the best fit of the 3 for the Braves given the team's inability to hit for power. Someone like the Red Sox would probably prefer Martin because of his defense and their instability at 3rd. The Mets, who have Wright entrenched at 3rd for example, would prefer Mauer because he has the edge in defense and he's the better contact hitter. So it's really all about team needs. And Brian McCann is pretty perfect for the Braves organization. Though he could stand to improve his defense, which he HAS been working on.
Posted by: PWHjort | April 26, 2009 at 02:27 PM
Its going to be tough for Weiters for a while because there will be a lot of expectations and a lot of pressure on him espeically because the Orioles have almost nothing for pitching right now. Thats another reason that I think theyre delaying his commute to the show.
Personally I think that they should give Weiters the year to develop and then attack a couple of FA pitchers in the off season even though the market for FA pitchers isnt looking to be too stellar especially if Lackey and Webb re-sign.
But I still think with his size and athleticism, Weiters should move to 1st right away, like even this year in the minors and then maybe the O's could hit up a FA catcher for next season, Barajas could be available since the Jays have young up and coming catching prospects.
Im just saying that Weiters is a big guy and physically he is a big big to be behind the plate for a long time. It just seems like an idea to make him a first baseman and then let him develop physically as a power hitter.
Posted by: xethicx | April 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM