Baseball Blogs Weigh In: Bay, Holliday, Hudson, Cameron, Mets, Yankees, Rays

You know, with the whole Bay versus Holliday debate I have to ask the question if Bay started his career in Colorado and Holliday started with Pittsburgh would people still think Holliday is the better player? Compare Holliday's stats away from Coors to Bay's stats and it's not even close.

meant to say contention, not competition...

Delgado wouldn't net anything of enough value to trade him anyway...he'll be allowed to leave at the end of this season, and murph will probably take over at first. Nobody is giving up a good player for a rental season of carlos delgado at this point of his career. And the kind of teams that trade for rentals are teams in contention...LIKE THE METS!!!!! It's stupid to advocate the mets moving guys like this mid-season. If they don't completely fall out of the race they will be buyers, not sellers.

Trade beltran? Are you kidding me? He's been the best hitter on the mets thus far and is the best defensive centerfielder in the game. who are you going to get for that, some pitching prospects? Get real...

Posted by: maristmetsfan | May 08, 2009 at 03:30 PM

a pitching prospect you would get in return would be a tommy hanson type prospect. no some future number 2 or 3. beltran would net you a frontline starter

Since the player ranked 1st is the most obvious to be traded in that person's mind, shouldn't it be worth 1 point and the #5 guy be worth 5 points?

Beltran is the best player the Mets have by far. He completely irreplaceable. He is going nowhere. Anybody who suggests trading Beltran has no business talking about baseball with anybody. Everybody talks about how NY players are overrated, yet somehow the Mets best player, probably the best player in NY besides Alex Rodriguez (Tex has nothing on Beltran), is one of the most underrated players in the whole league. People seem to undervalue him because they care too much about batting average. Beltran is good for a .270/.360/.500 on any given year, and capable of an upper 900's OPS in a good year, all this while playing the best CF in baseball, and running the bases as well as anybody in the game.

nrmax88 thinks it might be time to break up the retards by shutting down the Ed Kranepool society. Man, I could understand if it were a Philly blog suggesting this blasphemy, but a Mets blog? Good god.

Again, anybody who suggests trading Beltran is unfathomably clueless. If you absolutely must break up the core, you trade Wright. He is a young superstar, but you ca come closer to replacing him at 3B then you could ever come to replacing Reyes or Beltran, because of the offense, defense, and baserunning they give you. You can replace Wright with Murphy at 3B, add a slugger for LF next year, not to mention grab a boatload of guys for Wright, and when all is said and done, you don't lose a ton of production. If you move Reyes or Beltran, give me one way you could come anywhere close to replacing them at those scarce positions. I will save you the time. You can't do it. Trading Beltran is honestly the stupidest thing the Mets could ever do right now. And because I know it is coming, for those who think Beltran is overpaid, read this article.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran

It goes on too value Carlos Beltran, coming to the conclusion that he is worth 84 million over the rest of his deal, and if he were signing a one year deal today, a 31 million dollar contract would be appropriate. That was written in the offseason, before Beltran started what is looking like will be his best season as a professional. He is now using all fields, and driving the ball to all fields, something he never did before, which I am predicting will lead to his first season of batting 300. I know I tend to rant about players I like, but Beltran is just something special. He is the best position baseball player the Mets have ever had, and he is going nowhere.

You don't trade reyes or wright either...it just won't happen. Beltran, Reyes, Wright, and Santana are as good a core as there is in baseball today. K-rod is also an excellent closer, and murphy, pelfrey, maine, and parnell are good young pieces that the team controls for a while. The mets farm system isn't the best (far from it), but they have enough prospects to get whomever they want by trade at the deadline if they want to destroy the system. There's just no reason at this point to sell.

Nrmax...the cerrano thing is uncanny isn't it? Between reyes (Willie Mays Hayes), Delgado (Cerrano), Glavine (Harris), Perez (Wild Thing), Cliff Floyd (Jake Taylor), Sean Green (Dorn), and Wilpon (the bitch owner), the 2006 mets were the clones of that movie. I swear to god that's where omar learned to GM.

Ha! I can see Delgado in the clubhouse sacrificing a chicken as we speak.

Keith Hernandez makes every Met game fun too watch. The guy literally has no filter, and says some of the funniest things you could imagine hearing while watching a baseball telecast. Whether was his sexist line on how woman should be in the kitchen (lol!), his constant contradicting of himself every few seconds, him calling Dusty Baker Dusty Rhodes a number of times during the Reds series, or even last night stating that the Citi Field Acela club would be a good spot for anti air craft firing, you never know what the hell this guy is going to say.

That said though, he understands the game, and he has a way of explaining things simply, in a way that they make sense, almost like John Madden. Keith Hernandez is the greatest.

He was drinking wine during the broadcast last night...He may be the best color commentator in all of baseball. I'd love to watch him and vin scully work together someday...

"Everybody talks about how NY players are overrated, yet somehow the Mets best player, probably the best player in NY besides Alex Rodriguez (Tex has nothing on Beltran), is one of the most underrated players in the whole league."

Oh I completely agree. Only NY player who can hold a candle to Beltran is A-Rod.

This is totally unsubstantiated by stats and I'm probably going to get flamed for it, but I consider Beltran and A-Rod a wash, simply because Beltran provides much better defense at the CF position than A-Rod does at 3B. And no, my opinion of A-Rod didn't change when the roids came out.

melon: I would agree with you on that. Beltran is an elite ball player and Tex, as of yet, hasn't done anything. Of course time will tell what Tex will do but as of today Beltran, among NY players, is second to only Arod.

As for Arod vs Beltran, I would give the edge to Arod simply because he does a great job at 3B. it's unfair to compare a 3B to a CF. Arod has had 2 MVP years and does just about everything he's suppose to do, at least over the 162 game season.

As for who's the best FA signing, it's hard to say. If you consider the money he was paid I guess you can say Arod did what he was suppose to do in Texas, but ust going by stats his line of .300+/.390+, 52 hrs and 130+rbi are hard to argue with. Randy Johnsons 4 year deal with the Dbacks where he avg 20 wins, 250+ IP, 350+ ko's and sub 3.00 era is another absurd FA return as well.

That being said, Beltran is probably the best FA signing in NY thus far. Hopefully, Tex, AJ, CC and Santana will give Beltran some competition for that distinction.

None of the Mets core is getting traded. Its a ridiculous idea. I hate the NY media mentality that just because a team misses the playoffs by one game two years in a row, that the most important players are automatically losers. Um, how about the sub replacement level production from 2B and C? Could have had something to do with it maybe? Or the shoddy bullpen and shallow rotation maybe? Personally, I tend to put the blame on the players that don't go above and beyond, not the ones who do. Its not like "the core" has ever had a losing season. The Mets have been a winning team since Beltran joined after two awful years in 2003 and 2004. The only players who have been on the Mets in every one of those .500+ seasons: Carlos Beltran, David Wright, and Jose Reyes. The difference between the Mets in 2006 and 2008 was Jose Valentin and Luis Castillo, Paul LoDuca and Brian Schneider, and Aaron Heilman, and, well, Aaron Heilman. It was not some ineffable change in "the core".

Even though 3B is a "deeper" position, Wright has probably been the most consistent offensive producer of the three. I saw a table of the all time best seasons by Mets 3B by WAR (Wins Above Replacement). David Wright has #1 (2007), #5 (2008), #7 (2006), and #8 (2005). He only has four full big league seasons. On top of that, the guy grew up a Mets fan. He's the definition of "face of the franchise". Even if he was easier to replace, which I don't really think he is, he'd still be the least likely to go.

As others have said on here, there is no chance than any of the Mets' "core players" get traded. Carlos Delgado seems to have read a couple of the posts here, judging from his play last night. And, I'd rank Johan Santana's signing as pretty significant--on a par with Carlos Beltran's. As time goes on, we'll see just how significant Santana's signing was, or proves to be. I also think that Beltran is going to be the leader that everyone in NY wanted him to be when he was signed--in a quiet, "lead by example"-sort of way, this year. Gary Sheffield is showing that he still has a bit of fire still in him, and that can only be good for the Mets' clubhouse. Sheff will run interference once or twice this year for Beltran and Dan Murphy, by saying something that puts the media spotlight on him and off the other two guys, and it will be at a time that they absolutely need it.