Giants Inquire On Uggla

Mark De Rosa is in perfect condition, Brian. Really. I've got a note from the previous owner. No need to check CarFax. Please. Please. Please. De Rosa and a few nice prospects for cain. Please.

Cain for Derosa---plus prospects--- what a joke

If the marlins want substantive changes why not trade Uggla for 2B manny burris and Sanchez?

It was meant to be a joke.

Sorry, I meant put Lewis in LF

@sfgiantsworld.net

How about instead of Cain, Sanchez?

The Giants will not be able to aqquire Uggla unless they give up Cain which I don't think would be a good trade for the Giants. Despite Uggla having good power, he is not consistent enough. He has had great first halves over the last couple years, but has had bad 2nd halves. He will probably get better as he gets older, but he is starting to get expensive. I don't think that Jonathan Sanchez will be enough to fullfil this deal.

The Marlins could possibly get Cain if they through in the Still-Waiting-To-Bloom Jeremy "Maybe I Can Hit The Ball Out of The Infield" Hermida. Since he was a prized prospect, and now he is .271/.383/.387 so someone might take on him

just do this already. sanchez's trade value is going down every start. sabean act fast. now.

agree with joe uggla isnt worth giving up cain

Uggla will cost. 30+ HR second baseman guys that also knock in 85+ runs are rare. The knock on his poor glove is another fallacy also, sure his range is not the best, but he catches what is hit to him and has good hands, much better than Ramirez who plays SS next to him on the Fish and Uggs turns the DP very well. A VERY good clutch hitter, best on the marlins and I'd hate to see the marlins trade him, but also realize they also probably are not going to want to pay either him, or Cantu what they are worth next year and Uggla has more trade value.

They will get a top starter back for him, whether or not it comes from the Giants is the only question.

I think the multi team deal I described would be the best. All four teams (Giants, Marlins, Nationals, and Braves) receive something they need and give up something they have an excess of.

Why would the Braves want Kearns. He isn't an upgrade over matt diaz. All he is is another "what-if player" tons of potential and talent he could never live up to

The Marlins already have their inconsistent, but could be dominant lefty in Andrew Miller. Cain and Fred Lewis for Uggla and Jorge Cantu. Lewis plays LF, Coaghlin at 2B, then call up Sanchez and have him and Helms alternate at 1B. Then next year win the World Series with Cain, Nolasco, Volstad, Sanchez, and Miller.

@ Brvaoboy10
In my mind Kearns will be worth about 3 WAR once he leaves Washington. While Diaz does hit pretty well he is limited to facing lefties. Also his defense is extremely poor, hurting his contribution to the team. At best Diaz is worth 2 WAR.

Right now the Braves could use some depth, who knows maybe Kearns comes in and finds his hitting. All the Braves have to give up are two low end pitchers.

Giants trade Sanchez for Uggla.

Giants trade Valdez or another reliver for Nick Johnson.

That gives two nice bats.

Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Winn RF
Uggla 2B
Johnson 1B
Sandoval 3B
Lewis LF
Molina C

Starts to look like a decent lineup.

recca-I don't think the Nats want to take on another outfielder.

I think the word you were looking for is "jibe" -- "jive" is a dance, or in slang, something deceptive.

If the Marlins think that SF should send them Cain for Uggla they will have to send along one of their young arms for the deal to be solid. A young studd ace pitcher with amazing stuff is a lot more valuable than a power hitter with awful defensive abilities.

I would say that Cain to the Marlins for Uggla and one of the Marlins young arms like Tucker, Vandenhurk etc would work.

If were talking straight up deal, then it would be Sanchez for Uggla.

Marlins have an entire rotation full of young and under performing/full of talent pitchers already and can't see them trading a proven performer like Uggla, one of the top second baseman in the game for Sanchez for something that they are already loaded in.. It makes no sense, if that is what the Giants are centering their offer on, the Fish are better off moving to the next team and waiting. Nolasco, Johnson, Volstad, Miller, Sanchez are just like Sanchez and they don't need another.

"First, trading Cain in any package for anyone on the Marlins not named Hanley Ramirez is a total joke."

"Uggla and Cantu would make the Giants offense a bit better, but they're hardly world-beaters. Uggla's defense is horrible and Cantu is an average defensive 1b at best."

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? First off, last time I checked the last time the giants were relevant was when Baroid was hitting to break the all time HR record...oh yea the Giant's were like 10-20 games under 500. So lets be honest, the Giant's would kiss the marlins feet if they were to offer uggla and cantu in the same trade.

DO YOU REALIZE how hard it is to find a second baseman who can hit for power. Does 29+ hr's the past 3 seasons mean anything to you? Does 85+ rbi's ring a bell? Uggla is having his worst season since being called up and hes still on pace for 100+ rbi's and 25 hr's. As far as his defense, get last year's all star game out of your head....prob because there was a lack of Giant's in the game, so you had to concentrate on Uggla's errors. But...allstar stats do not matter in real games. Uggla's defense will not be the reason your team defense stinks, he is serviceable as a defense second baseman at the very least.

With that said, now you want to also put in Cantu? Again, what are smoking? Including last year and this year look at how many errors Cantu has at first, then look at the amazing defense plays he has made. Then once you take your foot out of your mouth, take a look at his offensive numbers. 29 hr's and 100+ rbi's.....he hit 127 RBI's and 32 hr's with Tampa. This year he may break all of those numbers b/c hes on pace to hit 130+ rbi's and 35+ hrs.

Again, think before you type.

@MarlinsDynasty
If you take a lake at Uggla's UZR/150 you would notice that over his 3 major league seasons Uggla is a slightly below average fielding second baseman with an UZR/150 of about -2.2. It may have been more beneficial if he got off to a better start in the field defensively this year as right now he is at -25 (small sample alert).
I will admit that Uggla hits for above average power for a second baseman, but what you did was use numbers rather rates to show how good of a power hitter he is. Sure, maybe Uggla hits 25 homers and drives in 100 RBI's but right now his OPS .752, I would hardly consider that a good season.
One more thing, before the 2008 season Uggla wasn't all that amazing. I mean yeah if it's fantasy baseball you love seeing a line of .263/109 /29/89/4, but in baseball sense you have a player with a .346 wOBA, that's worth 11 batting runs. To put that in perspective that's similar to Orlando Hudson's 2007 season where he had a fantasy line of .294/69/10/63/10.

I'm REALLY surprised that no one has mentioned the Giants trading their closer Brian Wilson. I do not like Wilson & his cocky attitude!!!
Even last year when he had like 40 saves or so, I did not like him!! To me, Wilson is NOT a closer!! A closer DOES NOT have an ERA over 4.00!!! IF the Giants were
smart, they would trade Wilson & make Jeremy Affeldt their closer. Affeldt has been lights out this year, except for 1 bad outing in April.
What about a deal like this, the Giants trade Sanchez, Wilson & Ishikawa to Texas for Chris Davis & Hank Blaylock? I think that this would be a fair deal for BOTH teams!!!

pisano those are not gonna work... the rangers have no need for winn (already have a surplus of outfielders), ishikawa (smoak will make him useless), wilson (fransisco has been lights out). There is no way that the nats trade their franchise player for that trash either

@johns
I don't think you understand what UZR is. UZR does not measure only range but double plays and errors as well. So the formula is DPR(double play runs)+ RngR (range runs)+ ErrR (error runs)=UZR. You were correct that his range is below average and he does turn double plays well. You were wrong about his hands as his ErrR has been below average his entire career.I never said he is a horrible defensive second baseman but he is in no where near being a good one. He is what he is below average.
He is not as good as it gets in terms of offense at second base. Kinsler, Utley, Pedroia, and DeRosa all had better offensive seasons than Uggla did last year, which as I mentioned before was by far his best ever.
Please never use the word clutch again, clutch is poor perception. Nobody has ever proven that there are "clutch" players, until someone does I have to reject your statement.
Johnathan and Anibal Sanchez don't have much in common besides there last names. Anibal is injured and a righty, throws his fastball less and includes a curveball in his repertoire. Anibal also has never had a 2 WAR season, J. Sanchez nearly had a 3 WAR last season.
The marlins are receiving a possible top of line the starter for a second baseman whom they could replace in a second (Coghlan). This would give the Marlins some much needed pitching depth now that Nolasco and A. Sanchez are gone. Even if J. Sanchez only matches his season totals from last year it would be a major upgrade over almost all of the Marlins starters except for Josh Johnson.

Cain and Ishikawa
for
Joey Votto

Sanchez and Lewis
for
Dan Uggla

World Series
for
San Francisco

Happiness
for
me

I'd love to see them get Uggla, but not for Cain. Sanchez, OK. Off the subject, but has anybody noticed- Throw out Zito's first two starts of the year and his ERA is 2.78