Odds And Ends: DeRosa, Royals, Jays

please phils dont trade marson for meche. i dont want him a phils uniform. please ruben dont do it. call up cararsco is your going to do that

Blair said they're at the "bag of balls" stage

I would love to know what the Reds offered for DeRosa. Probably something from their infield surplus: Valaika or Francisco? Or maybe Todd Frazier? Seems like Shapiro was hell bent to get power arms for the bullpen.

well we know that bag of balls stage is most likely extreme speculation and or exaggeration, atleast for Rios. watching Rios' numbers over the past few years I find it very hard to believe that they would just give him away for someone who isn't any good. I mean, Roy halladay isn't going to take the Jays to the WS without any run support (see the Braves if you want evidence of what low run support does for you). Maybe I could understand nothing for Wells, that contract just blows my mind. Was he ever good enough to deserve that?

And I don't think Rios at 5/60M is too much risk considering how high the possible reward is. Because the reward is a possible 20/20 guy who is just now entering what should be his prime

And to think everyone on here bashed me about 2 weeks ago when I said Yunel was a hot dog and had the worst sttitude in the NL and for that the braves should trade him now while his value is high........

"Wow, Rios at 5/60M over the next 5 years would probably make Wren Puke, but he *could* be a productive player."

Huh? Rios' contract is excellent. The man can play an elite defensive CF, you have to keep that in mind when you look at his stats.

Hopefully the three days off has made Escobar learn the importance of not letting his emotions get the better of him. He is supremely talented and the Braves need him in the lineup, with his head on straight, EVERY day. I just hope the Braves don't do something stupid amd trade him.

Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | June 29, 2009 at 04:13 PM

I was thinking how much I hope the Braves do something stupid and trade Escobar to the Red Sox.

He has a heap of talent but at the same time.....he deserves to sit the pine a little longer for his antics on that play.

Escobar is good but far from an all-star player with a long career which might give him some leeway to be vocal about the scoring.....of course, had he been an experienced veteran with an all-star caliber career he would have made the smart decision from the beginning on that play and NOT THROWN THE BALL. 1 inch higher and that ball was in the stands with A-Rod on second; with A-Rod scoring on the Posada at-bat instead of just advancing to third.

"anyone else see this:"

http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318

it's the possible 2003 steroid list

Posted by: Ian Smell | June 29, 2009 at 03:51 PM

The first 8 are Red Sox players; so no I don't believe that list for a second. Something tells me the actual list isn't grouped by Red Sox players first and the rest of the league randomly dispersed througout.

Mets should get rios, perfect, cause they don't want to give up the house for anyone

would love for the mets to get rios... let fernando martinez develop back in AAA and go forward with rios/beltran/church in the OF, and then when martinez is ready he can take church's spot.

"it's the possible 2003 steroid list"

Most of those names are either proven to have taken something or had a sudden rise and/or sudden drop in career numbers. Sure, some of them could have been because of drugs, but it's statistically impossible that all slumps or all sudden rises are caused by drugs.

@johns: Why would the Jays want to get rid of Rolen's .333/.397/.486 and great defense? I wouldn't say he's the wrong guy to have locked up for another year.

Actually the list is all organized by team. Catalanotto, Delgado, Wells of the Blue Jays. Giambi, Soriano, Mondesi, Boone, Pettite, Contreras, Clemens of the Yankees.

Rios to the Mets would be genius. I believe the Mets can afford that contract and hence be able to avoid giving up a ton in prospects to get him.
I think Rios has a better chance of turning around than Wells, who will never get out from under the pressure of that contract.

anyone else see this:

http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318

it's the possible 2003 steroid list

Posted by: Ian Smell | June 29, 2009 at 03:51 PM

Its possible, but where he hell is Brain Giles, cause if he didnt take roids, what the hell happened.

The first 8 are Red Sox players; so no I don't believe that list for a second. Something tells me the actual list isn't grouped by Red Sox players first and the rest of the league randomly dispersed througout.

Posted by: baxter4218 | June 29, 2009 at 04:21 PM

Most of them are grouped by the team they played for in 2003, see numbers 71-77 (Cubs) or 87-90 (Giants) and it appears to go, AL to NL east to west. But there are some outliners which is questionable, such as Oliver Perez at 96 grouped with Dodgers.

Overall, its not really a good source, since there is no way to tell one way or another if its the actual list. But mainly it follows what we all believe either way.

"But mainly it follows what we all believe either way. "

Kinda part of the problem. The list is a whos-who of who has been accused... do you really think the list will have no surprises? And as I pointed out, 3 teams from the NL Central have no names on the list... really think there was one clean division in baseball?

Looks like somebody just named obvious roid targets. As far as Sox and ex-Sox guys, can see Damon and the power he all of a sudden found, both Ortiz and Garciaparra's injuries that started all at once history.

It does at least give an interesting list for thought, but nothing else.

Heres an interesting tibit...

Julio Borbon was promoted today to Texas to play CF, Hamilton is due back within the next week.

Who gets dealt from the crowded Texas OF or does Borbon get sent back down?

please phils dont trade marson for meche. i dont want him a phils uniform. please ruben dont do it. call up cararsco is your going to do that

Posted by: derman1984 | June 29, 2009 at 03:50 PM

yeah cuz you know...who wants quality starts, and productivity which Meche has been pretty good with..

his first season in KC was abysmal due to absolutely no run support..but he gives his all when he pitches.

would hate to lose him, but..very excited to see what we would get in return. and its pretty sad that "fans" talk about a hardworking, no excuses kind of player leading a team like KC on their own club.

should be ashamed of yourself.

That Murphy article makes no mention of anyone the Phils would target from KC. It only says that Arbuckle was seen at a recent AAA game.

I don't see a rumor there but rather your own speculation Ben.

omar should be camped outside ricciardi's door

omar would love to get rios on losmets. get rios out of teh ALeast. he kills the yankees. matter of fact, get him $man!

"I don't 100% believe that list, but it would not surprise me the least to have it validated."

100% not the list.

The problem, all but a handful of the names on that list are well known names. Compare that to the countless forgettable names that have been caught to the handful of names we know that have been released.

Look specifically at the RedSox since they are so easy to see. Are we really to believe that only the stars took steroids (and really every star) and no one else did? You would have to be rather gullible.

The Mitchell report is riddled with names we long forgot. This list is full of names we talk about today. You are more likely to win the lottery then for that to really be the case.

That isnt what I was saying Johns. The ML list for a 2003 Boston team should look something like this

Lou Collier
Nomar Garciaparra
Gabe Kapler
David McCarty
Bill Mueller
Manny Ramirez
Scott Williamson
(just random names, no accusations being made what so ever)

Not

Garciaparra
Ramirez
Damon
Nixon
Ortiz
Hillenbrand
Lowe
Pedro

Everything we have ever seen has been like the first one. A bunch of forgettable or fringe names with one or two stars mixed in. The second one is the most unbelievable list one could compile, it’s like the “who was important” list for the 2003 RedSox. And the entire thing is like that second list. It’s a who’s who of 2003, as if the stars are the only ones who would test positive.

There is absolutely no way the list we were linked to is correct. Of the 103 names on the real list, we are probably looking at about 50% being memorable or impact players of the time, and that is for the high side. Not 90% or higher like this silly thing tries to have us believe.

Michael Taylor for Bannister straight up. Everyone wins.