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The Royals aren't trading any of their core players this year, according to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star. GM Dayton Moore said some players just aren't available.
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At least Moore understands he cant get rid of his "core" players. Though I think Meche hasnt lived up to expectations. I'd let him go to the Phillies if they would let go of their catching prospect. Can we finally get rid of crappy Buck, worthless Jacobs, and worse than a minor leaguer Pena? They're horrible. And Im still shocked Moore let Cortes go in that trade. That was not smart!
Posted by: NastyNateisGreat | July 16, 2009 at 01:46 PM
If they need a center fielder, I bet they could have Vernon Wells. When you think, "strong up the middle," Yuniesky Betancourt and Vernon Wells go together like gum and nuts.
Posted by: Torgen | July 16, 2009 at 01:52 PM
So is their great new shortstop part of the core?
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | July 16, 2009 at 01:53 PM
Moore will only trade decent minor league talent for horrible/expensive major league talent.
Posted by: joemorgan=#1 | July 16, 2009 at 01:55 PM
hahahahaha Torgen, I have never heard that phrase before. That was a good one.
Posted by: pdogg1079 | July 16, 2009 at 01:56 PM
Ohh wait I"ll trade you an inexpensive weak shortstop for Greinke. I bet that their is a 70 percent chance that is going to happen because the royals are the worst.
Posted by: metsfan4 life | July 16, 2009 at 02:04 PM
Oh and good relievers for part-time players.
Posted by: joemorgan=#1 | July 16, 2009 at 02:12 PM
I also meant to say Alex Gordon blows. Anyone that thinks he'll be a savior when he comes back off the DL is dreaming. He'll strike out every other at bat, just like he always does. His wife is hot though, so I guess its ok to keep him around.
Posted by: NastyNateisGreat | July 16, 2009 at 02:13 PM
I completely agree that the Royals should trade everyone (Dayton Moore included) except for those four guys.
But is this really the best message to send one of the most emotionally fragile clubhouses in teh MLB? It's not like Trey Hillmann has the leadership to reel in these guys after they starting freaking out/mutiny because all but FOUR guys in the clubhouse are now part of trade rumors.
And Cortes for Yusinskey is a horrible trade but can people quit pretending that the Royals traded the next Lincecum here? Cortes was struggling and his #3 ranking was largely due to past year's performances not his most recent.
Still the worst trade in teh last 3 years. Easily.
Posted by: basicslop | July 16, 2009 at 02:24 PM
"I also meant to say Alex Gordon blows. Anyone that thinks he'll be a savior when he comes back off the DL is dreaming. He'll strike out every other at bat, just like he always does. His wife is hot though, so I guess its ok to keep him around."
This comment just radiates of intelligence.
Gordon is one of the best players that the Royals have, even if that is more of a comment on that team than him. He may strike out in a quarter of his at bats, but at least he actually walks on a consistent basis, and he has some developing power as well.
He's a solid defender at third base and he has the upside to be a great hitter, he made some major strides in 2008 and it looked like 2009 could have been a breakout year for him if he didn't get hurt.
I would seriously consider moving Gil Meche if I could land some potentially impact talent for him, but I think that it's too early to give up on Billy Butler and Alex Gordon.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 16, 2009 at 02:31 PM
basicslop - "[Cortes for Yusinskey] Still the worst trade in teh last 3 years. Easily."
Worse than "Seattle Mariners
Acquired LHP Erik Bedard from the Baltimore Orioles in exchange for OF Adam Jones, LHP George Sherrill), RHP Chris Tillman, RHP Kam Mickolio and LHP Tony Butler."??
Posted by: A | July 16, 2009 at 02:35 PM
A,
At least Bedard has been productive this year (when healthy), and could still help the Mariners get to the postseason.
You want the worst trades in the past few years:
Braves acquire Teixeira for Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and Beau Jones...
Twins acquire Delmon Young, Brendan Harris, and Jason Pridie for Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett, and Eduardo Morlan...
I suppose Delmon could develop, but man that trade looks pathetic right now. And the Teixeira trade... the Braves were just absolutely fleeced. They traded their TOP 3 prospects, and all they have to show for it is Casey Kotchman.
Posted by: MorneauVP | July 16, 2009 at 02:43 PM
A - I think he was talking about from the Royals' perspective.
Posted by: Counciltucky | July 16, 2009 at 02:46 PM
Yeah the Teixiera trade has easily been the worst trade maybe this decade, but anyway. I'm not sure why some Royals fans don't like Willie Bloomquist. He is the prototype as a scrappy versatile player, He plays everywhere, has respectable average and OBP, runs great as evidence of his 16/18 SB along with 7 triples. Granted I have only seen a handful of Royals games his stats are respectable for his low contract. Also, Teahan would fit very well in Atlanta and Dayton Moore loves players he drafted, see Kyle Davies, Horacio Ramirez, etc. so maybe a Kelly Johnson and mid level for Teahan? Kelly has scuffled this year, but he has good talent and coming into this year he was an above average 2B and would be decent in LF.
Posted by: bravoboy10 | July 16, 2009 at 02:54 PM
touche to all those suggestions. I guess when you look at it that way there have been worse trades.
But, the thing with those trades, is all those teams were in a position where a player might help them notch up to that next level and contend. And at the time the players they got were believed to help them get there (Hard to believe that going into last year, the Mariners were thought to be "that close").
The royals weren't exaclty in contention or close when they did this deal. What was the motivation?
And I'm a Royals fan.
Posted by: basicslop | July 16, 2009 at 03:05 PM
Oh but of course, we're open to trading:
Our best defensive player, DeJesus, in an already horrid outfield with Gullien, Freel, and Maier.
Our best and most consistent hitter, Mark Teahan.
Our 2nd best pitcher, Brian Bannister.
But we will keep Gil Meche's 4.50 ERA and Alex Gordons .090 Batting Avg.
Moore and Hillman have to go.
Posted by: Bannister19 | July 16, 2009 at 03:13 PM
Ohh wait I"ll trade you an inexpensive weak shortstop for Greinke. I bet that their is a 70 percent chance that is going to happen because the royals are the worst.
Posted by: metsfan4 life | July 16, 2009 at 02:04 PM
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Dumb comment considering NYM have an entire 5 more wins than KC does despite a $65M greater payroll.
I live near KC, but not a huge KC fan. IMO Moore should listen on offers for Meche, and even Soria if a top offer comes along. There was a rumor a little while back that FLA had inquired on Soria due to his incredibly cheap contract for the next 2.5 years, and that Maybin was reportedly involved. Who knows if that was just speculation, but if you can get 2-3 good young pieces for Soria why not? Teahen and Dejesus deals will not speed up your rebuilding.
Same with Meche, he can be a sub-4 ERA SP, but right now I'd look to move him if he throws a couple good starts after the all-star break. With Guillen's contract hanging over your head through next season, moving Meche for a decent return would add a piece or two, and greatly assist with payroll flexibility going forward, which is critical to a smaller market team like KC.
Posted by: bigscott | July 16, 2009 at 03:42 PM
Bannister19...
The fact that you even bring up Gordon's average after such few at bats and while being injured to boot relieves you of any and all credibility.
Even if you had made a reasonable argument prior to that, your bringing up a guys batting average after a few weeks of playing time just squashes any good points you may have made prior to that point. I'm not saying Alex is ever going to be a big star, but if you're ready to give up on him at this point, then you are the one that "has to go."
Posted by: Royal Jayhawk | July 16, 2009 at 03:48 PM
"Though I think Meche hasnt lived up to expectations."
Um, were Royal fans that desperate that they expected Meche to be an ace? KC signed him to his deal coming off a season where he had a 4.48 ERA (4.71 FIP) under 200 IP. Meche has if anything, exceeded expectations, having 34 starts in the past two seasons and 19 this season. In these seasons, he has posted:
2007: 3.67 ERA (4.14 FIP)
2008: 3.98 ERA (3.68 FIP)
2009: 4.50 ERA (4.29 FIP)
"But we will keep Gil Meche's 4.50 ERA and Alex Gordons .090 Batting Avg."
Great idea. Let's judge Meche off what has been an off year, and I'd be he comes back from it in the 2nd half and judge Gordon on his 21 ABs (where he had a .083 BABIP)
Posted by: B3NG4L | July 16, 2009 at 03:50 PM
@Royal Jayhawk
For Alex to be considered a "core player" but not Mark, Brian, or David is just outrageous.
Its not like Gordon did any good last year or the year before that. Mark has been solid and consistent for most if not all of his career.
I'm not saying give up on him, but at the very least be open to offers, maybe some team will like all the hype about him. Our #1 picks have not brought us much luck lately.
I like Moore, but he shouldn't be the GM of the Club. He hasn't done much to help this team.
Oh, except get rid of two of the best relievers in the game, of course.
Posted by: Bannister19 | July 16, 2009 at 03:56 PM
So let me get this straight...
DM is going to try to revamp the team via trades, yet not trade anybody who actually has enough value to really revamp the team? Something doesn't seem to add up with that, now does it.
Of course, with DM's track record with trades, especially at the major league level, maybe its a good thing that DM isn't thinking about trading any of the Royals talented players. Would probably just make things worse.
Posted by: Slayer | July 16, 2009 at 03:57 PM
"Its not like Gordon did any good last year or the year before that. Mark has been solid and consistent for most if not all of his career. " -Bannister19
Wait, Teahen has been solid and consistent while Gordon didn't do any good last year, even though Gordon put up almost the exact same numbers last year that Teahen is putting up this year (nevermind the fact this is Teahen's best full season in the majors)?
Posted by: Slayer | July 16, 2009 at 04:04 PM
Bannister19.
Fair enough points there, although, other than this year and the 2nd half of 06, I've never been overly excited at anything Teahen has done. For the record, I believe he's having a fine year, and any team would be better off for having him on the roster.
The trade for Jacobs looks pretty bad, but I was really pleased with the way Coco was playing before he tore up his shoulders. That trade looked pretty good to me. No doubt that RamRam and Nunez are good players though.
I guess my thing on Moore is that I don't think it's fair to judge his body of work until he has had 5 years to implement his minor league system, and we still have 2 to go. I say this because if the Royals are EVER going to be what we want them to be, it will be because of a stellar minor league system, and not because of who they trade for, or sign via free agency.
Am I a disappointed right now? Yeah I am, but I'll give Dayton the benefit of the doubt until we see his guys get to the show, or not get here if they bomb out I guess.
As for Hillman, I can't really argue with you at this point. The biggest thing working against him is the fact that the players make SO many mental mistakes during a game. They don't do things the right way, and can't even successfully exercise the fundamentals of the game. This is a fireable offense, and I believe that if it continues for the remainder of the season, his tenure in KC will come to an end. Not to say he won't still make a good manager someday if that does indeed happen, but if this team doesn't play the game considerably different after the break than they did before it, he should and likely will be fired. Just my two cents..
Posted by: Royal Jayhawk | July 16, 2009 at 04:07 PM
I'm no Dayton Moore apologist as he has made some trades without a doubt. But nobody is giving him credit for getting Brian Bannister for Ambiorix Burgos (who is in jail I believe in the Dominican), Alberto Callaspo for Billy Buckner (2-5, 1.77WHIP, 8.63 ERA), and getting Joakim Soria for nothing in the Rule 5 draft.
There are more questionable moves then good ones, but just had to bring these up as well.
Posted by: bigscott | July 16, 2009 at 04:45 PM
"I'm not saying give up on him, but at the very least be open to offers, maybe some team will like all the hype about him. Our #1 picks have not brought us much luck lately."
You mean like Zack Greinke and Billy Butler .290/.340/.449? Not to mention while Hochevar has not been spectacular has definately shown flashes of being a solid starting pitcher in his second season. And really you can't judge any first round picks before Moustakas as that was Moore's first draft.
Posted by: lamojamo | July 16, 2009 at 06:30 PM
Though basically an average player Teahen's ability to play 6 positions makes him an attractive and affordable (about 1.8 mil left on contract) option to contending clubs on the edge with regard to injuries or health issues...like the Red Sox. The Royals need help in CF and maybe at SS. Boston coincidentally has a 'free' SS they need to move who might benefit significantly from a smaller no-pressure market like Kansas City, and in Jonathan Van Every a MLB-ready player that has performed well in a backup RF/CF role and who could be a surprise if given the chance to play regularly (not happening in Boston).
Teahen for Van Every and 2 free years of Lugo? Definately worth asking.
Posted by: Lock | July 16, 2009 at 08:30 PM
Teahen for Van Every and 2 free years of Lugo? Definately worth asking.
Posted by: Lock | July 16, 2009 at 08:30 PM
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So a 30 year old career minor leaguer, and a 34 year old SS that has no value that they can't even give away gets you Teahen?? Nice proposal
Posted by: bigscott | July 16, 2009 at 09:02 PM
"So a 30 year old career minor leaguer, and a 34 year old SS that has no value that they can't even give away gets you Teahen?? Nice proposal"
Posted by: bigscott | July 16, 2009 at 09:02 PM
Most teams would consider a .284 BA with a .352 OPS (Lugo) as not too shabby, especially teams that just traded two pitching prospects for a SS that can't hit OR field and costs about 5M over the next 2+ years (Betancourt). Lugo is FREE for the next 1.5 years. That no value player is starting to look better, yes? Apparently the Cards and Mets think so.
Just learned today that Van Every was recently released by Boston due to an injury. Too bad. Prior to that he had posted a .284 BA with .355 OBP and .819 OPS. So bigscott (little b, right?), what you're really saying is that it wouldn't have been worth at least discussing (before injury), as an opening point of negotiation, exchanging two servicable and very affordable players with MLB experience for an average utility player at the end of his contract who can't hit lefties, costs 3.6M/yr. and strikes out alot. That's an interesting perspective. Not smart, but interesting.
The Royals have no need for a utility type like Teahen and contending teams with holes to fill may have a need but not a predisposition to offer more than average utility guys are actually worth. Teahen may well land more for Kansas City but it won't necessarily be because he's worth that price. Player value (or lack thereof) is clearly in the eye of the beholder.
Posted by: Lock | July 17, 2009 at 04:18 PM