Odds And Ends: Chapman, Werth, Marlins

Let's look at the facts. The White Sox have a quality major league starter to offer in Gavin Floyd, and a WEALTH of prospects. Flowers, Poreda, and Beckham are just the closest to major league ready. They also have Daniel Hudson, Stephen Sauer, Dexter Carter, Charles Leesman, and Gregory Infante. They also have Juan Silverio, an 18 year old SS in Bristol.

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If KW makes the trade I expect it'll be the same as the Peavy deal was supposed to be plus Beckham. They won't get rid of Floyd.

Danks is cheaper, younger, and better than Floyd. He'd be a better starting point.

However, it's irrelevant, because the Sox won't trade Beckham and Flowers... they're trying to get younger, as an organization. Trading away their young talent to get Halladay won't help that philosophy.

Phillies have the prospects, the need, they'll get him if anyone does. Angels are next in line.

"The Phils DO NOT have the prospects to get Halladay. Just because they want and need him doesn't mean they're "the frontrunner" or some such nonsense."

Who declared you the judge of who has the prospects? If your going to make a blanket statement like that then justify it. The Phillies and the Rays are the only two teams to have three prospects in Baseball America's top 25.

Posted by: Chris | July 15, 2009 at 11:49 AM

he's a braves fan if i remember correctly(if not I apologize for calling you one!). he's actually very concerned if we get him because it means they won't have a chance for the next two years plus.

If you White Sox fans don't start doing something crazy like actually going to games, you won't have the money for Halladay.

Honestly, if the White Sox give up Gordon Beckham, Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard and another good prospect, for Halladay, then I won't really know what to think.

Beckham looks like a future quality everyday player, and I think there is some major upside in Poreda and Richard. I'm not convinced that Halladay would make this team a legitimate WS contender, as good as that rotation would be, and it wouldn't last long, that team would be old.

I'd rather keep the talent, build around the Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Flowers, Viciedo, Beckham, Ramirez, Getz, Pena, Danks, and other pieces.

And there's absolutely no way that you move John Danks in a Halladay deal. There's a massive difference between Danks and guys like Drabek and Poreda.

Danks doesn't turn 25 until next April, but he's already posted a 3.44 FIP in 195 innings last year, and a 3.93 FIP in 101 innings this year. He's already a legitimate top of the rotation starter on his own, and he's used the cutter that they've taught him to become a weapon.

I'd give up Poreda, Richard, and hell, I'd even give up Alexei Ramirez, but I don't want to see Beckham included in a Halladay deal.

BTW, one other team often mentioned in the Halladay sweepstakes -- the Angels -- was also listed among the three organization's whose stock is going up, while another -- the Cardinals -- was listed as one of three whose stock is going down.

Here's what BA said about the Cardinals: "Ranking this system eighth in the preseason proved optimistic, as the Cardinals lack impact talent after big league rookie Colby Rasmus. Starting pitching—there's a lack of power arms—looks like a glaring system-wide weakness."

suzys,

WOW. the Phils had the 12th prospect rankings and the Red Sox were 13th and that was PRESEASON numbers?

With Taylor's meteoric rise coupled with Lars Anderson's coming back to earth I'd expect that's even moreso now.

"WOW. the Phils had the 12th prospect rankings and the Red Sox were 13th and that was PRESEASON numbers?"

Yes, but I do believe it may be a bit deceiving when talking about the Red Sox and Yankees specifically. Players like Buchholz or Lowrie could easily be part of a Boston package, but they dont factor to their rankings. Likewise, the Yankees have Hughes, Joba, Gardner, etc, who would be possibly included if they really wanted him. Both Boston and New York have the ability to put together stronger packages then anyone else without disrupting their current team - just will they? And if they did, would it only be used by the Jays to drive the price higher for an out-of-division team?

"My proposed deal: Floyd
Silverio
Hudson
Leesman
Sauer"

I'm a White Sox fan, and even I think that this offer isn't even close.

You're not going to give up Flowers, Beckham, Poreda, Richard, neither of the Danks', or Viciedo, in a deal for Roy Halladay?

Of the guys that you listed outside of Gavin Floyd, the only one that made Sickels' Top 20 CHW prospects is Dan Hudson.

And Juan Siverio is the next Hanley Ramirez? Are you kidding me? Do we have the next Pujols, Sizemore, Greinke, Longoria, Mauer, Pedroia and Bruce in our system too?

"Werth+Howard+Drabek for Peavy+Gonzalez+Kouzmanoff

Who says no?"

Padres, easy.

The idea of moving Peavy/Gonzalez would be to save money and restock the farm system, and adding Ryan Howard absolutely doesn't do that.

Howard is a clear downgrade from Gonzalez despite having a substantially higher salary, and Peavy/Gonzalez alone could land far more talent than that three-man package.

Phils Phans: Dont talk about flop-in-the-making Jason Donald in terms of a Halladay trade. The Jays would be better off signing Marco Scutaro long term than to take a shot at a guy whos ceiling is getting lower and lower by the day.

"Donald has struggled a lot this year but he hasn't been totally healthy, but he excelled at every level of the minors until hitting AAA this year. He still doesn't turn 25 until September, and most scouts seem to believe that he can be adequate defensively at shortstop or even plus at second or third.

Donald is still a good prospect, and it's not like the Blue Jays have a lot of SS talent in their organization outside of Justin Jackson."

But he's also likely to be overvalued due to that relative dearth of SS prospects who are remotely likely to stick there (not counting the guys in the 2009 draft class, which was weak on position players anyway).

And, if I'm trading Halladay, I'm not worried about 2010. Nature of the beast. Jays trade Halladay, they're looking at 2011 and beyond.

I want one of Drabek/Knapp, Carrasco, one of Brown/Taylor, Marson, and a decent 5th guy. Between getting Marson and Donald, or Donald and a prospect who might be further away but has a higher ceiling, I take Marson/the higher ceiling guy all day. Especially since it looks like not a lot of teams have catching/catching prospect depth.