Odds And Ends: Escobar, Sanchez, Beimel

The Escobar info was from Carroll Rogers

who do the braves think will play ss if escobar goes to the royals for teahen+?

I don't care if the entire royals team comes over in a trade for Escobar, it still wouldn't be worth it. everyone on the team is a good bench player, if that. They are the Leagues throw away players. and they are all getting overpaid. I just can't Justify sending Escobar anywhere. We should be sending Frency and Javy before anyone....

do you think maybe a 3 team trade could be involved.....possibly for mat holliday

braves-holliday a's-teahan royals-escobar

i would rather get rid of lowe before javy everyone looking for pitching why not lowe to the nats or rangers for dunn or nelson cruz

or even lowe to the white sox or blue jays for rios or dye

dlsmkt2004,ok i dont think lowe goes anywere and texas will never trede cruz he's a breathing hilight reel

i just dont see the since in getting holliday we dont need a rental but why would you traded javy

No offense intended mariner fan, but that is a horrible trade for the Braves. If a deal is made with the A's, I'm sure that Holliday would be involved. Not saying that he is the answer though.

What about Escobar to the Reds? Seems like a really good fit, if the Braves are willing to take prospects. The Reds farm system is loaded, and the Reds need a longer term solution at SS with Gonzalez hurt and in the final year of his contract. Reds have 3 real promising OF in the minors in Chris Heisey, Drew Stubbs, and Todd Frazier (who can also play 3rd). Plus a number of good pitching prospects (Travis Wood, Matt Maloney). Might be a real good fit.

"Remember that Freddy Sanchez's All-Star Game berth means he only needs 600 plate appearances for his $8MM option to vest in 2010. He needs just 271 more."

A weird case where being selected for the All Star team may actually make a player harder to trade.

Some of the trade ideas aren't as bad as trades they have on an article at cbssports.com.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8293094/15873635

mariner fan, no one wants Teahen. Why would the Braves want another undisciplined hitter with below average power that strikes out too much and is pathetic with RISP? I don't know why Shanks mentioned that. Wren should be burned at the stake for even thinking about it, if in fact he did at all. How exactly would he even be an upgrade over Diaz is right field? He wouldn't, AND we'd lose Escobar. Complete retardation.

The only player I would accept from the Royals for Escobar would be Zach Greinke. Why rade Escobar and Javy?? I just don't see the point. At this point second base has been upgraded internally by Prado who is the hottest hitter in the league behind our RF upgrade Matt Diaz. Well Prado is actually a little hotter now, but both are blistering everything. Lets just let this play out. Braves can't really do much of any upgrading without hurting the future. Please don't trade Medlen I think he had a VERY bright future as our #3 behind Hanson and Jurrjens for many years!

""complete retardation" really dude how old are you 7"

Try backing up your ignorance next time.

Frank Wren needs to fire my worthless senile self and hold on to Escobar.

My time has pasted my by. This time next year, I will be basket weaving and beating my wife, again.

"Teahen, Guillen, Cruz/Mahay and cash for Francoeur, Escobar, and a PTBNL."

You make mariner fan look like the GM of the year.

No one will give much for Teahen, as he has limited value, numbnuts.

No way the Braves get equal value for Escobar unless they can deal with the Red Sox for Buccholz and Lowrie. Probably have to throw in a Redmond, Parr, or Reyes but it would be fair for both sides I think. Lowrie hasn't really proven himself at the big league level but we know he has talent, same as JoJo. That deal would allow the Braves to move a starting pitcher (probably Vasquez) for a big time hitter. Colby Rasmus, for Vasquez? Maybe a 3 team deal with the Brewers and Indians bringing us back Choo? The Rangers don't seem to be able to add payroll so Nelson Cruz is probably out unless we take back Michael Young (not happening). Ludwick in St. Louis? He has to stay healthy for me to consider that a good option. I don't know what we are going to do, but with Heyward and Freeman being promoted to AA it is conceivable that they both will be in Atlanta starting next year, ala Tommy Hanson. If that is the case then maybe we sell and put all our eggs in next years basket. Soriano, Gonzalez, Anderson, Kotchman, Vasquez could net a boatload of young talent. It is interesting to note that Cody Johnson didn't get the promotion considering his power numbers and the reputation that Wellman has as a hitting guru.

Escobar, Medlen, Johnson for Teahen, Callaspo, and Dejesus.

NO!!! Please we don't need to trade anyone outside of KJ and Francoeur to the Royals.

"and the reputation that Wellman has as a hitting guru."

Maybe thats the answer to our offensive woes ;) Get him up and TP out!

"Escobar, Medlen, Johnson for Teahen, Callaspo, and Dejesus. Dejesus is another outfielder u could throw into the mix of Anderson, Frenchy, and Diaz."

KC is looking to dump Dejesus for the same reasons and the Braves with Failcoeur. Not sure what your logic is. See High Reefage's post above. Your idea is possibly dumber than his. No, actually it is

Bobby, Frank Wren, & the whole must have just had it with Escobar. I'm assuming that the public doesn't know half the story. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to trade Escobar - especially when there is no good substitute for him at SS. It sounds like they are determined to get rid of him before the end of the year. The Royals just don't have the pieces for Escobar unless they want to give up both Soria and DeJesus.

I don't know why I used and/or there. I meant some loose ends and possibly a minor league bum or not. Teahen's numbers could also very well drop the rest of the year. Aside from that, I cringe every time I see him up with runners on base. Some of his strikeouts could make Failcoeur blush. With no power and high strikeouts, the only thing worth noting is he can play the multiple positions.

Bobby, Frank Wren, & the whole must have just had it with Escobar. I'm assuming that the public doesn't know half the story. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to trade Escobar - especially when there is no good substitute for him at SS. It sounds like they are determined to get rid of him before the end of the year.

Posted by: drphonic7 | July 06, 2009 at 11:04 AM

As the public we don't know what Wren and Bobby are planning to do. It is very possible that they have absolutely no intentions of trading Escobar. All of the rumors I have seen have been started by Sports writers who just assume that Bobby wants to trade Esco.

"As the public we don't know what Wren and Bobby are planning to do. It is very possible that they have absolutely no intentions of trading Escobar. All of the rumors I have seen have been started by Sports writers who just assume that Bobby wants to trade Esco."

Yeah, I agree with this. A lot of this sounds like blind speculation.

Cox should go before Escobar. Period.

And I have a great amount of respect for Cox, before Braves fans flame me for suggesting that their HOF manager needs to go.

And I have a great amount of respect for Cox, before Braves fans flame me for suggesting that their HOF manager needs to go.

Posted by: melonis rex | July 06, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Sadly, most Atlanta fans are ready for Bobby to go too. I have a great amount of respect for him but he just doesn't know how to deal with the young players of today.

"Sadly, most Atlanta fans are ready for Bobby to go too. I have a great amount of respect for him but he just doesn't know how to deal with the young players of today."

I was thinking the same thing.

Cox is old-school as hell, and at a certain point I think that a new voice is needed. Cox did a brilliant job in Atlanta, no doubt, you don't win that many games by accident. But at this point in 2009, I'm not convinced that Bobby Cox is the best man to lead the new generation of Braves.

And if the Braves trade Escobar, it is going to be for an absolute HAUL.

Escobar is a solid defensive shortstop that has pop and the ability to get on base, and he's under control through 2012 or 2013, I've gotten conflicting info on that, so that makes him a huge trade asset.

If the Royals wanted him, and I was Frank Wren, I would ask for Billy Butler to headline a deal. If all that they want to offer you is Teahen and Callaspo, then they can take a walk. Unfortunately, the Royals have shown little interset in moving Butler, although I see little reason for the Braves to move Escobar for any less.

I'm loling at some of Mariner_fans trade proposals. I'm starting to wonder if he even thinks before he posts.

"Braun: Brewers GM should make move" That is an article on ESPN. Wouldn't it be nice if the move was to trade him. If the Braves could put a package together? I don't think the Brewers would move Braun at all but one could dream."

Any deal starts with Hanson and/or Heyward, along with a couple other good prospects. Ryan Braun is one of the best players in the game.

I would give up one of them for Braun, but not a whole lot else, and I surely wouldn't include both of them.

Braun is an absolute monster with the bat, but he's a below average defensive left fielder, so his value is essentially whatever he can provide offensively.

I'd offer something like Hanson/Heyward, Kimbrel, and Teheran, but I just think that it's really hard to speculate on a deal that almost absolutely, positively will not happen.

"As much as I love Billy Butler, I don't think he'd be the right piece in a return for Escobar. He would block Freeman, unless he could figure third base out (which he was awful at as an 18/19 year old). In that case, I'd probably be all for it."

Freeman won't be ready until late 2010 at the earliest, he just got called up to AA a couple days ago.

The Braves could try Butler in left field, or try Freeman in left field, although I'm not sure if either guy is capable of playing that position adequately.

But the main idea is that the Braves are going to need to get back a young, impact player if they deal Escobar, and Butler has the type of bat to fit that bill.

I presume that the Royals wouldn't give up Eric Hosmer or Mike Moustakas in a Escobar deal.

"how about lowe,gonzo for nelson cruz.would free up some money and get a bat.what do you think."

No way that the Rangers take on all that money while trading away one of their best players in Cruz.

I haven't ran the numbers money wise for this trade but how does Lowe, Frenchy and Escobar to Toronto for Rios, Scutaro and one of their young starters? Any comments?

to hell with escobar i would have rather had jack wilson when they were talking about that...escobar with guillen would be a terrible clubhouse..and teahen has more value than most of you braves fans think...we just dont overvalue everyone on our team like you....mainly because theres no one to overvalue lol

I think we're all missing the point. Notice that the post didn't say the Royals 'wanted' Escobar, but that they 'coveted' him. They are breaking one of the ten commandments and MLBTR wants us to pray for the souls of Royals fans everywhere as they are now damned to the fires of hell. Somewhere, Jesus is pissed.

BTW Braves fans- it's your own front office that can't stand Escobar. Get over yourselves. 'Javy and Escobar can land 5+ high-end prospects.' From who? What do you call high-end? Y'all are as bad as some Yankee fans. 'Oooh, Delin Betances is the best pitching prospect in baseball!' WAKE UP!!!