Odds And Ends: Nats, Bruce, Padres, Halladay

Good for Roy. Hard to believe after all these years he hasn't had the chance to start one, he deserves it.

Give me the best prospects you would trade for Gonzalez. Would Kelly and Bowden be enough or would they want Buch and Kelly?

If so would you accept a Mejia, Holt, Thole and Flores for A Gonzalez?

Tim Alderson, Angel Villalona, Nick Noonan, Conor Gillaspie, Henry Sosa and Josh Mazzola for Adrian Gonzalez

I know teams don't like to trade within the division but would this deal work?

Just because they won't compete for five years doesn't mean they should trade Gonzalez. You have to have someone to bring in ticket revenues, he is of latin descent playing in hometown SD, and his contract is very reasonable. They shouldn't trade him unless absolutely blown away by a trade offer.

"Would Kelly and Bowden be enough or would they want Buch and Kelly?"

Writers keep saying Buchholz is untouchable, but I'd bet for Gonzalez he's completely available. Kelly on the other hand... well frankly all things considered, I sincerely doubt Theo would allow his name in discussions and I think some other GMs would prefer to wait for the SP/SS experiment to be played out.

"How about A Gonz for Kelly,Bard, Fife and Navarro"

Still don't think Kelly will be discussed, see my previous post. But I also think Bard won't be moved. He's insurance for closer.

Give me the best prospects you would trade for Gonzalez. Would Kelly and Bowden be enough or would they want Buch and Kelly?-the jonathan

i think bowden would be in the package but kelly seems to be untouchable considering his amazing upside and the red soxs deciding whether in the long run whether he is a future SS(his choice) or SP( what the red soxs want)

as far as adrian goes i read somewhere that he has the lowest amount of xbh compared to HR in baseball doesnt sound like a theo-esque player i would rather have numerous other available sluggers than him IMO though to get him to the sox would take a combination of
bard/delcarmen,+bucholz(if theo refuses buch then)/bowden+tazawa,josh riddick/anthony rizzo

IMO the sox shouldnt trade the farm this year wait till the offseason see whats available and after next yr we can get an instant upgrade at C as both V-mart and joe mauer are free agents

Adrian is one of the more under rated players in ALL of Baseball playing in the extreme pitchers PETCO park! He has zero protection in the lineup and still has good number considering he hasn't done anything for about a month! He would be in very high demand and would bring back a major haul of prospects! I think people are not giving him true value. Bell would on his own bring back some prospects as well. Between the two players could potentially bring back 6 top prospects from two different teams. Remember closers of Heath's caliber are few and far between these days and closers value's have gone increasingly up. The two players Adrian and Bell would NOT be dealt in the same deal that would not bring back enough top tear talent.

"Adrian is one of the more under rated players in ALL of Baseball playing in the extreme pitchers PETCO park! He has zero protection in the lineup and still has good number considering he hasn't done anything for about a month!"

That's true, but he has also hit 16HR away from Petco... That means he's only been good for 8 at home, which isn't all that impressive.

I really don't know how you can say Pads are 5 years away, the low minors (A, A+, and AA) all have very promising prospects. I expect Pads to compete in 2 years

If the padres put Adrian on the blick sabean better make sure he lands in SF. He's the middle of the order bat we're looking for and is a gold glove first baseman. He's the perfect fit

OOPS ! Should be Stolmy Pimental , not Pimentsl.

So a decent closer, a backup of /1b , a MLB-ready starter, 2 ss prospects, a 1b and a catcher prospect, plus a killer SP prospect, either from AA or A.
Heck , we'd even throw in Julio Lugo, with salary PAID !

"I realize that he's a great player, but he's not worth Villalona, Alderson, Gillespie, Noonan, Sosa, and Mazzola... Ever heard of not putting all your eggs in one basket?"

Yep, but if you aren't willing to give up that type of package, then just forget about Gonzalez and go in a different route.

Gillespie has been incredibly unimpressive this season, and while Noonan and Sosa are good prospects, they aren't particularly special.

The Padres have zero motivation to deal Gonzalez within the division, so unless you're absolutely blowing them away, they'll shrug and trade him to Boston or some other team that's offering similar value.

I'm not convinced that Villalona, Alderson, Lewis and a mid-level prospect is enough to land Gonzalez, compared to what other teams outside of the division would be willing to offer.

To Mickykoke :

I said ONE of Buchholtz / Bowden , NOT both !
Hence all the other players in the deal !
But if you threw in Kouzmanoff, we'd give up Penny !

Padres do not want Penny. They need controllable prospects such as Lars, Bowden and Buckholtz. Bo. would need to give up a similar package for Adrian because of right now the Padres are not even exploring the notion of dealing him.
Padres would want quality NOT quantity.

"Second, I see that you conveniently left Alderson and Villalona off that list of what you obviously consider lukewarm prospects... Add those into the 'unimpressive' Gillespie and the 'good' Sosa and Noonan, and you've got more than the Padres could possibly dream of getting for just A Gonzalez. I'd have to see him plus either the Pads eating some salary or throwing in a prospect of their own."

Well, obviously Villalona and Alderson are two of the better prospects in all of baseball, so I don't have many qualms with them.

My point is that Gonzalez should command a Teixeira-like haul, and that includes multiple good prospects on top of two elite prospects, and those elite prospects would be Alderson and Villalona.

The Padres would have little use for Fred Lewis because he'd be gone before the next winning Padres team, so they would assuredly prefer higher upside talent in the lower levels of the minor league system.

The Padres are assuredly expecting a haul for Gonzalez, and that includes even more talent when you factor in the whole interdivisional thing.

The Red Sox have owned the Yankees this year so I'd say a straight-up trade...the Yanks for Gonzalez...might be doable for Boston. I wonder if the Sox could get Giles and Belle as throwins if they agreed to keep Steinbrenner and Cashman.... hmmmmmm.

If (again that's based off the idea that the talent evaluator is correct) the Padres are 5 years away from being competitive why would they want Buccholz?

Let's go best case scenario. Buccholz turns out to be a stud. He pitches lights out in Petco. It's 3 years from now. Buccholz is asking for $10-12m in arbitration. Meanwhile the Pads are still a 85-90 loss team. What good is Buccholz outside outside of trade bait?

If the Pads are building to win then they need to focus on guys sitting in A ball or possibly AA. Anyone who is ML ready or will be ready in 2010 is too far advanced and will be too expensive.

This isn't an age issue, it's a service time issue. You don't want guys coming up getting their arb clocks ticking until the organization is prepared to be competitive.

"Well, obviously Villalona and Alderson are two of the better prospects in all of baseball, so I don't have many qualms with them.

My point is that Gonzalez should command a Teixeira-like haul, and that includes multiple good prospects on top of two elite prospects, and those elite prospects would be Alderson and Villalona.

The Padres would have little use for Fred Lewis because he'd be gone before the next winning Padres team, so they would assuredly prefer higher upside talent in the lower levels of the minor league system.

The Padres are assuredly expecting a haul for Gonzalez, and that includes even more talent when you factor in the whole interdivisional thing."

I see your point, but I guess that as a fan, its not worth it to me... Gonzalez would be great to have, but when there are so many FA bats to be had after this season is over, its a pretty big price to pay.

I could see the Giants giving up that sort of talent for Halladay, but that's a talent that doesn't come along very often. I would rather see the Giants trade out Alderson, Villalona, Gillespie, Sosa, Noonan, and 2 or 3 other prospects for Halladay and then wait until FA to get one or more of the following: Holliday, VMart, Glaus.

Julio Lugo's 09 salary eaten by the RS

@Braves for NL East: I think the Red Sox and Padres are a good match if an Adrian trade takes place. Just doubt it would be for the players you suggested.

Lugo: He isnt worth anything, and the Padres have Cabrera at SS and see him as the future at the position (doing quite well for someone who jumped from A-ball to the majors)
Delcarmen: Nice piece, and a solid reliever. But wont be around for the next winning Padres team.
Anderson: I think he was over hyped, and baseball prospectus agrees(http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9154), but he still a solid prospect. But I think Padres would prefer Reddick to him.

I have nothing but priase for the headlining of the package, but the rest is not what the Padres would/should be looking for in an Adrian deal.

Also, I think most agree that the timeline for a rebuild team in SD is about 3-4 years, not quite 5, but service time will definitely play a role in what the padres will want back. Also I see the Padres with a desire for left handed pitching, which is utterly lacking in the system (to be more specific power left handers)