Odds & Ends: Boras, Nationals, Bedard, White Sox, Giants, Astros

Do the Phils have what it takes to get Bedard? Would Happ be included?

The ONLY deal Giants should make for Dye...

White Sox get throw away prospects

Giants get Dye + pay all salary

"Dye is not goin to the giants unless it is for Lincecum"

Haha good joke. If Dye is traded it won't be for anything but salary relief and a few low level prospects.

"Dye is not goin to the giants unless it is for Lincecum. Kenny needs to try and go after Dan Haren. 7 in a row baby! Go sox!"

hope you're kidding.

Why do people say the only thing the Sox would get is salary relief? They've already shed quite a bit of payroll to the tune 30 mil last offseason, and with Thome and Contreras this offseason they look to be removing even more. There's no reason for them to do this deal unless they're getting good players/prospects back. They don't need to shed anymore payroll than they already have.

JD is not going anywhere. Unless the sox steal an ace pitcher for him, but we all know thats not gonna happen. I would rather try to package clayton and poreda and get Dan Haren. We need JD, and if Quentin comes back at 50% of the clip he was at last year, the only other thing the sox could really fill in is starting pitching. So basically the Giants should start looking elsewhere. Unless of course they wanna trade Matt Cain for Dewayne Wise.

in the hypothetical scenario that quentin re-emerges, i think dye becomes incredibly expendable.

does his offense offset ozzie's raging boner for a proto-leadoff hitter in podsednik?

i personally would love to see dye stick around as much as the next sox fan, but i believe that if williams is blown away, he won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

let it be known that in the first quote I made of chitown I was referring to the Lincecum thing

how about;

wsox get cain
giants get dunn
nationals get poreda, richard, brandon allen

god idea or i am way off?

"how about;

wsox get cain
giants get dunn
nationals get poreda, richard, brandon allen

god idea or i am way off?"

No no no!! Giants aren't trading Matt Cain. Sanchez and b-prospects could be had.

"Most Giants fans DON'T want him!!!"

Since when do most Giants fans not want Dye?

"If the Giants got Dye they'd have to move Winn or Schierholtz to the bench immediately and Lewis would pretty much be buried on the bench."

I agree that such a situation could be tricky...but don't forget that winn, schierholtz, or lewis could be part of a package that would get traded away, which would make the outfield logjam somewhat more manageable.

"Sure they could really use a power threat in the middle of the lineup but they aren't so desperate for one that they'll trade a top 10 prospect for a 35 year old overpaid and injury prone one."

I never said the giants should/would trade a top 10 prospect for Dye. In fact I said quite the opposite. I said that if they were to make a deal for him, they would prob only be covering his salary plus giving up a few LOWER LEVEL prospects.

"When you factor in the above average defense of Schierholtz and the outstanding defense of Winn then Dye doesn't represent a huge upgrade."

Uh, last time I checked, the addition of a guy who will hit 30+ HR would be a HUGE upgrade to our weak offense, defensive issues aside.

ince he turned 35 years old and turned into a well below average defensive outfielder. If the Giants got Dye they'd have to move Winn or Schierholtz to the bench immediately and Lewis would pretty much be buried on the bench. When you factor in the above average defense of Schierholtz and the outstanding defense of Winn then Dye doesn't represent a huge upgrade. Sure they could really use a power threat in the middle of the lineup but they aren't so desperate for one that they'll trade a top 10 prospect for a 35 year old overpaid and injury prone one.

Posted by: thegiantswinthepennant

you show me the manager who would NOT immediately, running with his hair on fire scratch winn, scheirholtz and especially the GREAT fred lewis from the line up card and replace them w/dye's 18 hr & 48 rbi. dye isnt a great improvement over those guys?...gimme a break!

"you show me the manager who would NOT immediately, running with his hair on fire scratch winn, scheirholtz and especially the GREAT fred lewis from the line up card and replace them w/dye's 18 hr & 48 rbi. dye isnt a great improvement over those guys?...gimme a break!"

Defense, defense, defense.

Randy Winn may not have the pop of Jermaine Dye, but he's a solid hitter that plays a good right field, while Dye is one of the worst defensive right fielders in the game.

If the White Sox could trade Dye for Winn and a lower level prospect, I make that deal, put Winn in center field, go with a Pods/Winn/Quentin outfield eventually, and make him my leadoff hitter as well.

"wsox get cain
giants get dunn
nationals get poreda, richard, brandon allen

god idea or i am way off?"

You're overrating Adam Dunn by a LOT. He's really, really bad defensively, and it kills his value.

The White Sox would probably give up that package for Cain, but the Giants would never deal Cain for Dunn, and the Nationals would probably crap their pants or something if KW offered them Poreda/Richard/Allen for Dunn.

o yeah i forgot...the giants are in the nl--where a player like winn is preferred over a dye. hmmm, maybe this is why the al dominates inter-league play, all-star games & world series victories.

dye is a superior! player to winn & scheirholtz regardless of the sabermetrics.

by the way, 5 mins ago, dye just homered for his 19th hr & 50th rbi. but im supposed to prefer winn's 2 hr & 32 rbis just because he'll catch 10 more balls all year that dye would not...preposterous!

"by the way, 5 mins ago, dye just homered for his 19th hr & 50th rbi. but im supposed to prefer winn's 2 hr & 32 rbis just because he'll catch 10 more balls all year that dye would not...preposterous! "

Yes, we know, ignore all the other stats and focus only on HR as if that is the only way to score (or prevent) a run.

"Do any of you stat-heads ever even watch the games? There isn't a GM in baseball who wouldn't take Dye over Winn if they were trying to win the WS within the next two years."

Yet no one has bothered to trade for Dye over the last 3 years of him being on the block.

Over the last month, the Giants are tied for 4'th in the NL in BA (.271), 3'rd in runs (128), 3'rd in RBI's (121), and 2'nd in total bases (421). Do we really need to make a move? Those who question the Giants' offense have absolutely no faith. Keep in mind...Sandoval and Schierholtz are still getting better. Those two guys are hitting .388 and .384 in the last month. Oh, and by the way...the Giants have the best pitching in baseball.

Tomahawk368,

Not a chance on God's green earth is Bedard going to Philly. The Mariners since adding Morrow to the rotation have found their footing and with Bedard coming back that'll mean more wins. Bedard also wants to stay and it's harder to find a dominant lefty starter than it is to find an All-Star caliber position player, so unless it's Chase Utley + than there's really no deal to be made. Your farm system is atrocious, really... Carrasco doesn't look much better than a high 3.00 ERA in the NL and a low 4.00 ERA in the AL, which makes him a #3 or #4 starter, regardless of how overhyped he is. After Carrasco the value falls off substantially in the Phillies farm system and the Mariners would be better served to keep him and take the two picks they'll get and yes Bedard will be Type A. His numbers are strong enough to compensate for his missed starts.

IF Bedard would be traded anywhere, it would be to a team like Boston or Tampa Bay, who have a ton of AAA/major league players to give up that are somewhat proven and under team control for a while.