Roy Halladay Rumors: Monday

It'd be funny if Werth got traded along with them.

I agree with Werth...

bye Taylor or Brown (not both), Carrasco, Marson, Knapp (maybe), Mayberry, and Donald.

Any combination of that is cool with me...no Drabek or Happ please...TOR is full of pitching.

I hope the Phils don't trade Drabek, Happ, or Taylor.

Here's a package I'd trade for Doc:
Brown, Donald, Carrasco/Knapp, Marson

someone please point out to me where in that article it says Halladay would be willing to play for the Yankees.

Yankee homer Davidoff is clearly trying to get the hopes up of yankee fans

If I'm Ricciardi it's no Drabek, no deal. He has to be the centerpiece in a Philly deal.

If I'm Ricciardi it's no Drabek, no deal. He has to be the centerpiece in a Philly deal.

Posted by: deeselig | July 13, 2009 at 01:22 PM

I know it was only one inning but he looked pretty polished yesterday didn't he against some pretty solid hitters after having to wait out a 4 hr rain delay.

Rube won't give up Drabek, guaranteed. He and Hammels are the future no. 1 and 2 pitchers...only way they give up Drabek is if Halladay agrees to a reasonable 3 years extension...and that's still a maybe.

Toronto wants Donald and could use Marson. They have a lot of depth in the OF with Snider leading the pack, but next year an outfield with Snider and Dom. Brown or Taylor looks pretty good for them. They could also want Knapp who throws 98+ and is said to look like a ML Closer.

Rumor says Happ is a possibility, but I doubt it. They want to add to their rotation, not take from it.

I'm not at all sold on Carrasco as the pitcher coming back. My impression is that he's muddling along right now & Knapp is too far away to sell to fans in Toronto.

I think a fair deal will be something similar to this:

Drabek, Taylor/Brown, Donald, Happ/Carrasco

perhaps one more filler type

I know a lot of Philly fans want Halladay without giving up Drabek or Brown or taylor but its going to have to happen in my opinion..

We have to remember that Halladay is arguably the best pitcher in the world right now and whoever gets him has him for all of next season as well and at a very reasonable price..

for these reasons, im shocked there arent more teams after him

"If I'm JP, I'm not making an ultimatum, since the A's got a pretty good package for Haren and the DBacks didn't give up Scherzer, but I think JP HAS to get two of the Drabek/Brown/Taylor/Carrasco crop to even start a deal."

Absolutely agree.

If the deal is starting off with some combination of those two, along with some combination of Donald/Marson/Savery/Collier, then the talks could go somewhere.

I still think that the Jays should be pretty happy if they can land Brown, Drabek, Donald and Marson. I think that they should really get Brown or Drabek in any deal.

Although I think that people really need to remember that Drabek is still just a 21-year-old coming off of Tommy John surgery posting a 3.31 FIP in AA.

Drabek is a great prospect, but he's not some sure-fire stud.

As long as the Phils come away from the deal with Knapp and one of Brown/Taylor/Drabek, then they should be pretty happy.

I know they've said Drabek is off-limits, but at least from a fan perspective I'd be ok with him going.

Of the 4 mentioned (Drabek/Carrasco/Brown/Taylor) I'd most like it to be Brown/Carrasco, but if it's Taylor/Drabek that's just fine.

For those that haven't looked at him, Taylor is a BEAST. Currently .335/.411/.982 15-HR 21-2B 4-3B 17SB 35BB/51K at AA. Keith Law mentioned him as one of his top "could jump into the top-10 prospects" guys pre-season...Dominic Brown was mentioned as one as well.

Well if he doesn't have a list of teams that's he'd refuse to go to then I'd like to see Texas get in on the sweepstakes. I think their prospects match up the best for Toronto. They've got money coming off the books soon, so they should be able to afford him for at least a year and a half

Its worth repeating that Joel Sherman wrote:

"Ricciardi said that Halladay has provided a long list of places he would not be willing to play, but the Toronto GM would not say if either New York club was on that list."

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/07/ricciardi_on_ha.html

There is obviously a disconnect here, but what Halladay is alleged to have said suits him from a diplomatic point of view. What Ricciardi has said suits the club's negotiating stance. With these conflicting sources, I think its fair to say that MLBTR cannot now conclude that Halladay has given no list of teams acceptable to him. Nor can we conclusively say he has. I do, however, find it extremely hard to believe that Ricciardi would lie to Sherman or that Sherman would misrepresent what was said to him.

You do realize that the A's ended up with an elite LH starting prospect, two top OF prospects, a top power-hitting 1B prospect, and two young BOR starters under control for years, right?

That was an absolutely monster haul for Haren, and the Blue Jays should be happy if they can come away with as much as the A's did from the Haren deal.

I'm sure that the Jays would love to get a Brett Anderson-level pitching prospect.

Remember when the trade was made, while it was still a good haul for the A's the prospects were not as highly regarded then as they are now. I'm just saying that Roy Halladay has proved himself and that the Jays would require as many sure-fire prospects as they can get.

"Remember when the trade was made, while it was still a good haul for the A's the prospects were not as highly regarded then as they are now. I'm just saying that Roy Halladay has proved himself and that the Jays would require as many sure-fire prospects as they can get."

You're definitely right here.

Brett Anderson was nowhere near the pitching prospect he was at the end of the '08 season that he was when he was traded. He was a top 100 prospect, but definitely not a top 20.

But then, Carlos Gonzalez's stock dropped quite a bit between when the A's got him and when the A's flipped him in the Holliday deal.

And, nobody expected Eveland and Smith to put up the (fluke?) seasons in '08.

So I would say the investment known as the Haren package has increased in value since the A's got it. So Halladay should net a bit more, although not MUCH more because although Halladay is the better pitcher, he's controlled for 1.5 years less than Haren was when the A's traded him.

oh and for all his mechanical complaints about Drabek he did have a 10 pitch, one strikeout no hit inning, but i'm not going to take one inning either and make him a star. I think he'd be a solid #2 pitcher once he gets there and IF he didn't lose a year+ to TJ surgery he'd probably be considered for a callup this year.

You would have to believe the Jays would be pretty worried about acquiring a pitcher that had TJ surgery considering....McGowan, Litsch, Marcum, BJ....ai ai ai!

So assume Brown, Donald and Carrasco are givens.

What else would get it done?

Would Savery? Savery+Marson? Savery+Knapp? Marson+Knapp? Knapp? Or would one of Drabek or Happ have to be in the deal?

I think it can be done keeping Drabek and Happ if you give up some combo of the above players/

They'd get a top OF prospect in Brown, a top IF prospect in Donald, 2 or 3 top starting pitching prospects in Carrasco and one of Knapp/Savery(they can have both Knapp and Savery if that's what it takes). Maybe a reliever like an Escalona or a catcher like a D'Arnaud or Marson. Some conbo of Brown/Carrasco/Donald plus 2 of Knapp/Savery/Marson/Escalona.

That's a pretty good haul. You look at what teams got for Sabathia, Santana, Beckett, Schilling, Martinez, it's well in line. The Haren deal was a monster but that's an outlier.

"If the Phillies can land Brown, Carrasco, Knapp and Donald for Halladay, that's a no brainer for Toronto, in my opinion."

Wow, that's far from a no-brainer. Donald is having an abysmal year and scouts question his defense - he doesn't necessarily project as a MBL regular. Carrasco projects as a #3, and the Phillies have passed up opportunities to give him a chance. Knapp was just drafted, and the Jays passed on him twice (and he was the Phils' 5th pick). Off to a nice start, but a ways away. Marson would join Arencibia and Jeroloman as catching prospects for the Jays that just don't predict to be very good ; he's a filler piece, not an integral component - scouts are very down on his singles, ground-ball hitting bat. Not going to approach Brown, because obviously he's a stud, but I'd be astonished if JP centered a deal around an OF prospect, when he's locked into Rios and Wells through 2014 and Snider is under team control for another 6 years.

92-93,

agreed that that in itself isn't enough although I would say I'd personally rather you have Drabek than Knapp because Knapp's stuff is better. I've seen him 3 times live and he regularly sits at 96 with good movement in the later innings of games. If not for a couple of bad starts (not uncommon for an 18 year old) he'd have stats that approach Cole Hamels when he was in our system.

For me Drabek, Happ, or Knapp can not be part of any deal. We are going to need all the pitching that we can get and giving away our best pitching prospects does not help that even with adding Halladay. Start with either Brown or Taylor and Donald and let them choose any other 3 prospects they want besides those guys. A package of something like Brown, Donald, Marson, Carrasco, and Savery is a pretty nice package. In my mind Toronto is getting the better end of that deal as it is and anything more is highway robbery.

First of all, there is no possible way that any deal for Halladay won't START with two pieces... Drabek and Donald... From there, you can speculate... But the Phils best pitching prospect and a decent SS prospect are a must in a deal for Halladay...

Second, i'm a Phillies fan, but will everyone stop with the Happ overrating... He will never be the centerpiece of a big deal... He has always had a decent k/9 in the minors but it has seriously gone down since he hit the show... Also, his bb/9 has risen... His luck will run out and the Jays know it...

I love Happ as much as anyone, but his projections aren't great... He is a back of the rotation guy... He wreaks of Kyle Kendrick...