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The Dodgers agreed to a long-term deal with GM Ned Colletti, according to Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times. The move has been confirmed by a team press release.
In September, SI's Jon Heyman suggested this would be a three-year contract. We discussed Colletti's work here.
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The only reason that LA wouldn't have retained Coletti was if they wanted White or Ng to take over as GM relatively soon, and they believed that one or both of those executives would get other GM jobs before then.
Obviously White's lack of experience in anything other than scouting is an issue, but Ng appears to be one of the most qualified people in the game that hasn't gotten a shot as the GM somewhere yet.
Posted by: scribbletones | October 20, 2009 at 02:44 PM
scribbletones and me are the same person, for some reason I have two sign-in names that are slightly different, and I accidentally used the one that leads to my name being plural.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 20, 2009 at 02:45 PM
It's somewhat of a surprise that this got done despite the McCourts impending and probably messy divorce. Now let's see what the payroll is next year, as the Dodgers have a ton of young talent that will be arbitration-eligible for either the first or second time. At least Jason Schmidt will finally be off the books.
Posted by: vtadave | October 20, 2009 at 03:06 PM
Yeah, it's going to be interested to watch how the McCourt divorce affects the Dodgers in the next couple years, because it certainly damaged San Diego's ability to run the team when the Moores' divorced, forcing John to sell the team.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 20, 2009 at 03:13 PM
"At least Jason Schmidt will finally be off the books."
It's kind of funny the name Jason Schmidt is brought up on a Ned Colletti resigning thread. Oh well, most Gms have an 'opps' signing or trade they regret. I agree the timing of this extension is a bit odd with the divorce. Then again, I'm sure the Dodgers want to show there is some stability in the front office for the offseason.
Posted by: studio179 | October 20, 2009 at 03:17 PM
Dodgers fans better hope it's worth while. He's made some poor mistakes, as well as finding jewels.
Posted by: worldchamps08 | October 20, 2009 at 03:18 PM
Problem with Colletti is that he's had more than one "oops" signing - Schmidt, Andruw Jones, Juan Pierre, Nomar's extension, a pair of bad deals with Tampa Bay...of course he's done some good as well, but a mixed bag indeed.
Posted by: vtadave | October 20, 2009 at 03:27 PM
He hasn't been a terrible GM. Definitely better than most that are out there. His trades haven't been bad, but he's terrible with his FA signings. I mean, the Pierre, Schmidt, Jones signings scared McCourt from approving any major FA signings the past couple of years, didn't they?
I would say though, that during his tenure, his worst move, or non-move in this case, was not acquiring Lee, and letting him go to a league rival. If the Dodgers were to become eliminated from these playoffs, it could be thanks to Lee, who will be facing them in Game 6, if it gets that far.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | October 20, 2009 at 03:30 PM
Thanks for clearing that up scribble, I was freaking out over here.
Posted by: Rootdown | October 20, 2009 at 03:31 PM
Tim --
When we have news about GMs, it would be nice to also have the link to their Trade History, assuming there is one for Ned. I know we can search the archive for it, but I'm sort of a one-stop shopper sort of guy myself.
Posted by: cmac1973 | October 20, 2009 at 03:32 PM
I hear you. Reason I wouldn't is that they are not kept up-to-date. I really have to follow through with my idea for a searchable database of all recent GM moves.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | October 20, 2009 at 03:43 PM
When I think of the Cliff Lee trade, I still can't believe how hosed Cleveland got for trading Lee.
The least Shapiro could have done for us sending him Carlos Santana would have been to accept our offer for Lee, LOL.
Oh well, that's life.
Posted by: Die-Hard Dodger Fan | October 20, 2009 at 03:43 PM
As a Royals fan, I would like Coletti to be our GM. I guarantee he wouldn't of traded for Yuniesky Betancourt, kept Tony Pena Jr on a major league roster for longer than a year, traded JP Howell for Joy Gathright, and I am gonna stop with those. It's just pissing me off
Posted by: Trusting the Process | October 20, 2009 at 04:08 PM
I'd say it's a good move. Colletti has been as good as any other GM we've had. I think every GM has had bad free agent signings, but Ned's had his share of good ones.
He got Pierre as a knee jerk reaction over losing Drew and that was pretty much the going rate for a starting center fielder at the time, the Angels blew it with Matthews at the same time. He got Jones, but on a 2 year deal rather than the 5 he was asking for. Dodgers needed power, and Jones had better power history than Rowand, who was the other option and hasn't worked out well for San Francisco. And if Jones hadn't been so completely awful, then they probably would have not have gotten Manny.
He also got Schmidt on a 3 year deal, which, while a bust, looks better than the 7 years the Giants are paying Zito.
I think the timing now, although they've been working on this for a while, probably has to do with the negative image the McCourts made of their team by coming out with the public separation the night before their team started a playoff series.
Posted by: neoncactus | October 20, 2009 at 04:13 PM
I actually think if Logan White stays on this team will we be fine. The Dodgers have had the ownership group make deals with out consent of the GM, I think McCourt was a key factor in the Jones and Jason Schimdt deal.
Kim Ng will get her shot and I hope she rocks.
I would go into more detail but I have not been on internet since last night and I will not watch any sports outlet until tomorrow.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | October 20, 2009 at 04:18 PM
I have mixed feelings on this issue.
Colletti has been, in my opinion, OK. Sure he's taken us into the NLCS in 2 out of 4 years he's been here, but make no mistake about it, the young "core" of players (Kemp,Bills,Martin,Loney,Brox) were drafted before Colletti got here, yes he did get us Manny, Blake, and all the other players that contributed to our success, but also dumped great talent. He's traded Carlos Santana, Josh Bell, Steve Johnson, and now Tony Abreu.
We'll see how great of a GM he would be when Ng and Logan leave.
Posted by: DodgerJulio | October 20, 2009 at 05:12 PM
You act like Santana was going to ever play over Martin, that Bell was even close to the majors, that Steve Johnson was anything more than the coach's kid, and that Tony Abreu ever played a full season.
Blame him for the free agent signings. The trade's he's made were good at the time they were made. If Edwin Jackson was still the big-stage coward and control-less fastball machine he was when he played for us, we'd all think Ned was great.
I know, instead of blaming the man for Jones, Schmidt, Nomar and Pierre, how about we realize Jones screwed himself, Pierre wouldn't have signed for anything less and we needed a CF, Schmidt was old but still good at the time of signing, and that Nomar had just had a great year and was one of our best players and fan favorites.
Congrats, Ned.
Posted by: GScott | October 20, 2009 at 05:39 PM
Question for Dodgers fans:
If the McCourts are divorcing then doesn't that mean a reduced payroll for the future?
If this is the case then can Colletti be trusted with a reduced payroll? I mean, the only reason the terrible signings of Jones, Pierre, Schmidt and company haven't been hugely detrimental to the Dodgers is because of their large payroll.
He has made pretty good smaller type deals this season (Hudson and Padilla come to mind) but I don't think the Dodgers can afford another mishap like those big signings unlike before.
Posted by: strikethree | October 20, 2009 at 06:03 PM
"You act like Santana was going to ever play over Martin, that Bell was even close to the majors, that Steve Johnson was anything more than the coach's kid, and that Tony Abreu ever played a full season."
Trading Carlos Santana for Casey Blake is a headache. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin is traded in the off-season, he's not that great of a catcher (please don't give me the "2-time all-star" argument).
Posted by: DodgerJulio | October 20, 2009 at 06:09 PM
Question for Dodgers fans:
If the McCourts are divorcing then doesn't that mean a reduced payroll for the future?
If this is the case then can Colletti be trusted with a reduced payroll? I mean, the only reason the terrible signings of Jones, Pierre, Schmidt and company haven't been hugely detrimental to the Dodgers is because of their large payroll.
He has made pretty good smaller type deals this season (Hudson and Padilla come to mind) but I don't think the Dodgers can afford another mishap like those big signings unlike before.
Posted by: strikethree | October 20, 2009 at 06:03 PM
I don't think the Dodgers will be very busy in the off-season. All the questions will be looming what happen during and after 2010. To me, the McCourts aren't stupid enough to blow-off the Dodgers like that, and by that I mean what happened in San Diego, they're in a different position. While I do think we can sign people, we're not going to sign a "big" or "huge" deal anytime soon. If they want a player, it'll probably be via trade.
Posted by: DodgerJulio | October 20, 2009 at 06:13 PM
"Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin is traded in the off-season, he's not that great of a catcher (please don't give me the "2-time all-star" argument)."
He posted WARs of 5.2 and 4.6 in 2007 and 2008, respectively, and he was still a solid catcher this year in spite of his complete collapse offensively.
You certainly have to be worried about the decline in his power numbers (.176 in 2007, .116 in 2008, .079 in 2009), but even so, he's a patient hitter with good on-base skills, and he's an athletic, plus defender behind the plate.
The Dodgers could still get a lot of talent in return for Martin, although his offensive production in 2010 will definitely be something to look at.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 20, 2009 at 06:28 PM
"Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin is traded in the off-season, he's not that great of a catcher (please don't give me the "2-time all-star" argument)."
He posted WARs of 5.2 and 4.6 in 2007 and 2008, respectively, and he was still a solid catcher this year in spite of his complete collapse offensively.
You certainly have to be worried about the decline in his power numbers (.176 in 2007, .116 in 2008, .079 in 2009), but even so, he's a patient hitter with good on-base skills, and he's an athletic, plus defender behind the plate.
The Dodgers could still get a lot of talent in return for Martin, although his offensive production in 2010 will definitely be something to look at.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 20, 2009 at 06:28 PM"
A lot of fans have soured on him, it is disgusting. You should seen the pure hatred being spewed at Broxton last night.
Too many Dodgers fans want Martin traded and then we sign Bengie Molina, because of those RBIs and his semi decent power. Bengie Molina cheats on fastballs and hits them out, yay for him.
Martin is still a above average catcher. Sorry guys..
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | October 20, 2009 at 06:48 PM
You certainly have to be worried about the decline in his power numbers (.176 in 2007, .116 in 2008, .079 in 2009), but even so, he's a patient hitter with good on-base skills, and he's an athletic, plus defender behind the plate.
The Dodgers could still get a lot of talent in return for Martin, although his offensive production in 2010 will definitely be something to look at.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 20, 2009 at 06:28 PM
I'm not sure he's a plus defender. His arm is average at best and he scares me when the pitcher is going to throw breaking stuff at him because he can't defend the pitch. Check out this:
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2009/10/13/1082419/2009-catcher-defense-filling-in
I don't need to talk his offense, you already know what a disappointment it was.
Posted by: DodgerJulio | October 20, 2009 at 06:51 PM
A lot of fans have soured on him, it is disgusting. You should seen the pure hatred being spewed at Broxton last night.
Too many Dodgers fans want Martin traded and then we sign Bengie Molina, because of those RBIs and his semi decent power. Bengie Molina cheats on fastballs and hits them out, yay for him.
Martin is still a above average catcher. Sorry guys..
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | October 20, 2009 at 06:48 PM
If any Dodger fans showed any hatred on Broxton last night, it's because he BLEW THE GAME. I felt I was murdered. But there's no other person I'd put in there than Broxton. I'm sure those same Dodger fans would take back what they said.
As for Martin, I wouldn't trade him for Molina. Molina's OBP is atrocious. He's a hard hitter, and that's it.
Posted by: DodgerJulio | October 20, 2009 at 06:58 PM
"You act like Santana was going to ever play over Martin, that Bell was even close to the majors, that Steve Johnson was anything more than the coach's kid, and that Tony Abreu ever played a full season."
You have been posting here for a while, as long as I can remember, but this has to be one of the dumbest paragraphs written...
Trading Carlos Santana was the dumbest move made in the last 15 years in all of baseball. Sanatana is one of the best catcher prospects in the game. He has power and contact and needed to work on his game calling. He has worked on it and is one of the best catching prospects in the game, accept it. Even if we wanted to trade him, what we got in return was even worse.
Similar thing with Bell. He is probably 2 years away, but was probably our 3B of the future. And his projection fit perfectly with Blakes contract. Once again, its the amount we got for the player, not just trading him.
"Question for Dodgers fans:
If the McCourts are divorcing then doesn't that mean a reduced payroll for the future?
If this is the case then can Colletti be trusted with a reduced payroll? I mean, the only reason the terrible signings of Jones, Pierre, Schmidt and company haven't been hugely detrimental to the Dodgers is because of their large payroll.
He has made pretty good smaller type deals this season (Hudson and Padilla come to mind) but I don't think the Dodgers can afford another mishap like those big signings unlike before."
No one knows. it depends on who owns the team(Frank says he owns 100%, Jaime says its 50/50) and if they are willing to work together for the team. Remember Wolfgang Puck. He got a divorce with his wife, but they worked together to keep the resturants going....
DodgerJulio, how can you say you would think they wont be active? They have a legit shot at Lackey. The can resign Padilla and Wolf. They have arb hearings with Martin, Kemp, Loney, Ethier, Broxton, Billz, etc. We could even get Figgins(unlikely) for 2B. Like last yr, this is a very big offseason. I think a lot of extensions should happen this yr, espically Kemp, Ethier, Martin and Billz(while their value may be a little lower).
Regarding Martin, are you insane? He is probably the best at calling a game and blocking pitches. You guys want a stat? Since Honeycutt and Martin have come to the MLB team, the team ERA has decreased every year, including leading the majors this yr.
scribble, something that really hurt Martin's power was a training course he had over the winter. He lost 30 pounds, but he also lost his power... His swing has been affected by Mattingly as well. Mattingly's style is waiting for his pitch. Martin was already doing this and waiting longer hurt his ability to hit his pitch. Many times, he'd miss his pitch and be forced to swing at bad pitches...
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 20, 2009 at 07:09 PM
Lakers so I went on Kevin Malone last night. I wanted to cry. But TBLA was crazy too.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | October 20, 2009 at 07:11 PM
Look at these links about Martin, the people who want to get rid of him will be surprised...
http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2009/08/baseball-america-ranks-best-tools.html
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=LAD&year=2009#catch
http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2009/05/russell-martin-throwing-ability_16.html
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 20, 2009 at 07:16 PM
661, I watched almost every second of the game and almost cried at the end. I was staring at the TV for at least 10 minutes in shock...
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 20, 2009 at 07:17 PM
"DodgerJulio, how can you say you would think they wont be active? They have a legit shot at Lackey. The can resign Padilla and Wolf. They have arb hearings with Martin, Kemp, Loney, Ethier, Broxton, Billz, etc. We could even get Figgins(unlikely) for 2B. Like last yr, this is a very big offseason. I think a lot of extensions should happen this yr, espically Kemp, Ethier, Martin and Billz(while their value may be a little lower)."
Exactly, all those players who are now available for arbitration will get a raise. And why on earth would you want Lackey? Lackey wants at least 70 million. I'll go for Harden for a year and 5 million, and I'll offer arbitration for Wolf. I don't know what the Dodgers are going to do with Hudson and his wrist made out of glass, I don't know if they'll offer him arbitration. Maybe he'll sign with the Nats.
Posted by: DodgerJulio | October 20, 2009 at 08:34 PM
This is how I see it:
at least 4 long term deals(Billz, Kemp, Ethier, Martin), and I'd also like Kershaw signed, but i doubt it.
We offer arb to Wolf, Ohman, Hudson, Belliard, Mota, Thome, Garland etc.
If Hudson accepts, we have a 2B for a yr, if not, we give it to DeJesus/DeWitt/Belliard(i really hope its one of the first 2, or a platoon)
I'd want to sign Wolf to a 2 or 3 yr deal. He has been a great starter with good stuff and is a good influence on Kershaw and Billz(and they are all really good friends)...
Look into signing Padilla. He has been great for us and seems to fit into the clubhouse w/ Furcal and Manny.
I would want us to look into signing Lackey because we dont have a vet signed for next year who is able to eat innings, while also being effective. If Wolf is resigned, it may be resolved, but he hasnt has back to back healthy yrs in a while. At least lackey is a lock for 200 innings and a good ERA(which would probably get better in the NL West, given there is no DH and more pitchers parks).
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 20, 2009 at 09:42 PM
"When I think of the Cliff Lee trade, I still can't believe how hosed Cleveland got for trading Lee."
And you know this how? I would think we'd want to wait and see how the guys that the Indians received develop, but that's just me.
"Trading Carlos Santana was the dumbest move made in the last 15 years in all of baseball. Sanatana is one of the best catcher prospects in the game. He has power and contact and needed to work on his game calling. He has worked on it and is one of the best catching prospects in the game, accept it. Even if we wanted to trade him, what we got in return was even worse. "
Really? Is that because Santana is dominating in the big leagues right now? Sure, Casey Blake is no A-Rod, but he's brought needed stability to the hot cornder, something the Dodgers haven't had since Adrian Beltre. "Worst move in the last last 15 years"? Worse than the Colon to CLE trade? Worst than Piazza from LA to Florida? Host of others...
As for the Dodgers payroll, it's pure speculation at this point. Should the McCourts divorce (not final from what I hear), will they really let the team run into the ground by slashing payroll? That takes money right out of their pockets should they be forced to sell the team.
Posted by: vtadave | October 20, 2009 at 09:48 PM
vtadave, if you have read a lot of my posts, youd realize Im happy that we have Blake. He is Kemp's friend and a great player who gives stability to the IF and the batting order. However, giving upp Santana, who will probably be in Cle sometime next yr, for Blake was and still is a joke. And that trade could become our worst trade in 15 years if Sanatana becomes what so many scouts feel he will be, both offensivly and defensivly.
So many people critized the Dodgers for not getting an ace. Well, if we still had Santana and Bell, they would have been very lucrative in a deal for Halladay. That is why SO many fans have hated Colletti. He hasnt traded any MLB talent, but he has KILLED our upper minors.
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 20, 2009 at 10:26 PM
what just what he has planned during the offseason ? is he going to get manny,bay,lackey,or some other great guy whats just see.
Posted by: greg | October 21, 2009 at 07:59 PM