Odds & Ends: Johjima, Rockies, Kikuchi

there is no way they would trade johnny danks, esprecially not for lopez (getz and nix already form a nice 1-2 punch). I don't know much bout the other two, but i highly doubt that trade would ever entice kenny williams enough to do.

The point of the article wasn't that he had to get Danks - but that Danks is the type of player the M's should be targeting.

I actually thought it was a decent approach overall. If the M's stayed healthy (saying a lot with Branyan, Sheets, and Johnson as centerpieces) that could be a decent team. Probably still not good enough to take down the Angels but with enough luck at least it might be a possibility.

Wow no love Jose Lopez here! A 2B who slugged 25HR is a pretty decent trade chip, even if he never walks. Lopez was a 2.6 WAR player this year where as Danks was a 2.9 WAR player. SO they aren't as different as you'd think.

Of course there is little chance the White Sox would actually do this trade, but its not unfeasible. Perhaps a different ~3 WAR pitcher could be had though, such as Zach Duke or Paul Maholm of the Pirates - who also need a 2B.

Dave C. is an idoit. Try this trade. Halliday for those three. Blue Jays will be all over it. Who are those guys.

rockford - calling Cameron an idiot does not make you look smart. Double posting makes you look even worse.

You can disagree with Cameron all you want but the fact is that the dude is very smart. As Pat Metzger pointed out above, the swap in value is actually pretty right on. Danks is worth approximately the same as Lopez.

I'll say it again (it was mentioned in Tim's write up, Dave's write up, and in the comments) these are the types of moves the M's should consider. Not the actual moves that would take place. Please work on your reading comprehension before attacking guys that know what they are talking about.

I'm a White Sox fan and I would consider that deal. I'd want to have a Getz or Nix deal worked out first.

The problem is good starting pitching is more valuable than good offense or bullpen every day. Not to mention Danks is still very young, and hasn't hit his prime yet. It would take a kings ransom to pry him away from the White Sox in my oppinion

As a White Sox fan, i think the trade idea looks pretty good, but it is easy to turn down. If Danks was older than im sure i would, but he is still young. The only way i would trade Danks is if we get a BIG player. Like Danks + for Felix Hernandez. Only way i would consider.

The White Sox shouldnt be looking to trade any of the starters. 1-4 SOLID. Garcia is cheap and can do a good job as the 5th. We need some offense without touching the starting rotation.

"Wow no love Jose Lopez here! A 2B who slugged 25HR is a pretty decent trade chip, even if he never walks. Lopez was a 2.6 WAR player this year where as Danks was a 2.9 WAR player. SO they aren't as different as you'd think."

Well, for one, Lopez's OBP was awfully mediocre at .303, I don't care if you hit 25 HR and 42 2B, a .303 OBP is not good, and even so, that power production is out of line with his track record, and it was the fifth straight year that Lopez's HR/FB ratio has increased.

Meanwhile, Danks was absolutely dominant in 2008, posting a 5.2 WAR, which you conveniently ignored, and clearly Danks' upside is substantially higher than that of Lopez.

Plus, Danks has an additional year of team control, as he's about to enter his first year of arbitration.

If the White Sox decide to trade Danks, one of the best 25-year-old starters in the game, then the primary piece in the return should be better than Jose Lopez.

How about Lopez, Morrow and Carp for Danks and Nix/Getz?

Don't let Lopez's power deceive you. Yes, he only hit 25 home runs. But he plays half his games in Safeco. 17 of his 25 home runs came on the road. Not only that he had a .348 obp on the road and a .254 obp at home. That's a SIGNIFICANT drop off. I love Lopez. I wish we played in a smaller stadium as he could quite possibly hit 35+ home runs in a smaller park.

And Lowe has great velocity. I've seen him pitch a handful of times. I'm not saying its a perfect trade. But, I think both sides would flourish if traded. Danks is young and so is Lopez. Both are 25 I believe? Lopez may hit 35 homeruns in Chi every year and Danks could be in 2008 form with Seattle's defense. I think its pretty fair if you ask me.

"If the value is close to equal, keep the pitcher. Nix hit 12 HRs in less than half the ABs in his rookie season. there should be improvement. Danks + Nix is greater than no Danks + Lopez..."

Posted by: Lilkenny | October 20, 2009 at 04:50 PM

100% agree

Think about it this way - what if Lowe had 30 saves? In theory, that shouldn't make any difference at all in valuing a late-inning relief pitcher (obviously, Clay Condrey putting up a 3.50 ERA isn't really that valuable), but in reality...