Odds & Ends: Tigers, Clark, Duncan, Beltran

"Roy Clark is now a Nat? I'm starting to get a little scared of them Gnats, they are acting just like the Braves did back in the early 90's......."

Yeah. Shockingly similar. This year they're after improving defense. Does that sound familiar?

Detroit already has $92.1 million guaranteed next season, tied up in seven roster spots -- $12 million for Dontrelle Willis, $20 million for Miguel Cabrera, $10 million for Nate Robertson, $18 million for Magglio Ordonez, $13 million for Carlos Guillen, $12.5 million for Jeremy Bonderman, $6.6 for Brandon Inge.
I'd trade them all for nothing if I could spend half of the money, and I'd dramatically improve the team with it!

Would it make any sense for the Red Sox to inquire about Beltran if they don't resign Bay or sign Holliday? Just spitballing...

what? no suggestion of a papelbon+lowell for cabrera trade yet? detroit needs a closer and the sox need a big bat!

(this is sarcasm. though i could see theo asking what it would take anyway, since he seems to inquire about every player on every team just out of due diligence. )

i say the he goes to the Yankees. fix that mess that is Joba Chamberlain.

I don't see Duncan going to New York. He'll probably be wherever TLR is.

I just read this trade offer on another website, thoughts?

Derek Lowe +Jordan Schafer + Julio Teheran

for

Carlos Beltran + cash to even salaries

Woah, bravesfan.

Lowe for Beltran is a bit in the crazy side. The offer with schafer and teheran is still not gonna happen, but at least it actually gives the Mets something for a guy who is a top 3 CF in the league. still, not gonna happen, but Beltran is pretty dang good. Show the man some respect.

Yeah Teheran is way too valuable to be traded in that sort of deal. He is one of those super high risk/super high cieling type guys.

Posted by: bbxxj | October 13, 2009 at 08:36 PM

sorry bud but teheran is not even that high of a risk..the kid is only 19 years old and can already bring the mid 90's heat, he's developing very good offspeed pitches and all thats left is just learning the finer points of pitching... a reasonable offer for beltran would be something like-

braves get
beltran
money
mets get
vasquez
a very small minor league piece

that would be decent for both sides

I actually like the idea of this trade.

The Braves would need to add in more than just Lowe for Beltran straight up, they would want Schafer to take over Beltran's CF spot. Citi Field is the kind of stadium that Schafer could thrive in as a great defense / gap hitter. Also, Teheran is the kind of high upside pitching prospect the Mets need throughout their system.

I could see something like this being discussed if the Mets fail to land any of the upper echelon FA starters.

What about:

Lowe
McLouth

for

Beltran
Pagan

Beltran had been pretty durable prior to this year, but there's still the possibility he needs microfracture surgery. Will Carroll has said that the surgery has been pretty successful for the limited number of pro baseball players that have had it (not as true with basketball/football), but that's still a HUGE risk if a team takes him on at the expense of a guy like Javy Vazquez. If the Braves were willing to take that chance, I'm not sure it takes much more than Lowe to get it done, though obviously this creates a huge hole in the Mets outfield, so consider it a huge long-shot.

"Why do the Mets want Lowe? If they wanted him last year they would have made a better effort to sign him."

I'm pretty sure they wish they did.

"Beltran had been pretty durable prior to this year"

Which is extremely surprising, considering the fact that he's a sort of all-or-nothing player. He throws himself around a lot, making diving catches, etc...

"I'm pretty sure they wish they did".

Probably not. They certainly must regret signing Oliver Perez, but everyone acts like the only two options were to sign one or the other. I bet they wish they signed neither.

stlcards16 Did you call me a reds fan? If so I take great offense in the name calling and I DEMAND AN APOLOGY, but if you didn't well fine then just ignore the last sentence.

And for you Reds fans heres a nice graphic of your hero http://imgur.com/VWEN6.jpg

I just read this trade offer on another website, thoughts?

Derek Lowe +Jordan Schafer + Julio Teheran

for

Carlos Beltran + cash to even salaries

Posted by: Tom R | October 13, 2009 at 08:19 PM
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There is NO WAY the Braves give up two of their top prospects for an aging outfielder who only hit 10 HR last year. If the Braves give up Teheran and Schafer it had better be for someone better than that.

beltran isnt going any where...just not logical at this point...midseason maybe if mets collapse...but for speculation and imagination, yankee's loss of damon and matsui opens up beltran to play the outfield good defense and switch in at DH part time with jorge and such idk what they would offer...JOBA! jk no clue thought but they are a team that can handle the salary

"stlcards16 Did you call me a reds fan? If so I take great offense in the name calling and I DEMAND AN APOLOGY, but if you didn't well fine then just ignore the last sentence.

And for you Reds fans heres a nice graphic of your hero http://imgur.com/VWEN6.jpg

Posted by: Cody | October 13, 2009 at 09:22 PM "

As offended as I am that you are making fun of myself and fellow Reds fans I have to tell you that that Flow Chart is hilarious and exactly Dusty.

Can't imagine the mets being interested in something like that...its just a bunch of medicore guys for Beltran.

Uhh, yeah.. Being stuck with a top 3 overall CF in the game when healthy is SUCH a huge problem, eh....

"Cubs get
Beltran + Minor League pitcher/s
Mets get
Bradley+Fox/Hauffpaur+Marshall/Gorzellany+Guzman"

I'm a Cub fan, and even I know that's an awful deal for the Mets.

Beltran is one of the best players in the game when healthy, and the Mets are going to deal him for Bradley, Fox, Guzman and Marshall/Gorzelanny? Yeah, right..

The Mets hardly even get any salary relief in that deal.

I'd absolutely freak out if the Cubs pulled off that move, but the Mets would never, ever bite on that one.

Hey, you think banjo bangin' Hee Haw great Roy Clark will take his style of signing "in state" prospects to the Nats front office job?
And what's the field look like for 2010's draft for kids coming from the District of Columbia?

Since I'm bored, I will name all the pitchers that are better than Lowe.

Lincecum, Cain, Zito, Billingsley, Kershaw, Haren, Webb, Gallardo, Carpenter, Wainwright, Pinero, Jiminez, Hamels, C. Lee, Blanton, Happ, Hanson, Jurrjens, J. Santana, Zambrano, Oswalt, W. Rodriguez, Nolasco, J. Johnson, Halladay, Lester, Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, Garza, Shields, Kazmir, Saunders, E. Santana, Lackey, Weaver, Felix, S. Baker, Porcello, Verlander, Felman, Grienke.

hahahaha
is all i can say to lowe for beltran..whoever brought that up is absolutely out of their mind.
Beltran is not going anywhere..i dont understand why the mets would consider trading him. he is part of the core (wright,reyes,beltran,santana,krod) that should not be broken up.

By Hanson I meant Heyward.

Just a few thoughts

this should be dombroski's off-season plan...

non-tender thames..
offer arbitration 2 polanco rodney and lyon.. they will all turn it down.. collect the draft picks and let them walk...

#1 trade for J.J. Hardy.. galaraga might be enough.. 4years of galaraga for 2 years of hardy sounds fair

#2 sign figgins 2 play third.. 4 & 40 should do it.. and trade inge.. @ only 6mil inge has surplus value & should retrive a solid bulpen piece

#3trade either ordonez or guillen.. preference here bein ordonez.. an over priced starter inn return would seem fair... aaron harang?? derrick lowe?? lowe's contract is a bit massive though and showed signs of decline last year.. i prefer harang

#4 take a flier on rich Harden.. 2 yrs 20 millon should do it... if the guy gives you 270 innings over 2 years is a fine deal

#5trade santiago ..with sizemore being lefthanded and figgins batting better from left side.. dugalanch would be a cheaper and better option 2 give infield days of against lefties

line up vs. righties..

granderson
figgins
thomas
cabrera
guillen
rayburn / striebly
sizemore
hardy
alvia/laird

vs. lefties

figgins
ramierez
rayburn
cabrera
guillen
hardy
granderson
laird
dugs

would be the best defensive team inn baseball.. with laird thomas & figgins top three defensively @ thier positions.. and everyone outside of sizemore above average

rotation of:

verlander
porcello
jackson
harang or lowe
harden

vetren starters will give crosby and turner plenty of time 2 mature inn the minors.. although crosby may be ready by mid 2010'.. figaro is intresting.. although may be headed for a zach minor type role

would be an entertaining team that lowers payroll and would put them inn a position to go after a mauer halladay or lee next.. lowered payroll would allow for excessive spending on extra draft picks as this may be the last year of an unslotted draft..

bullepn would be a work inn progress..but overpriced relievers are the biggest waste of money.. hopefully inge would return a solid piece.. possibly bringing back lyon would make sense..

record prediction 94-68..

prediction.. clete thomas will soon be a borderline all-star.. he is already arguably the best defensive right fielder inn baseball.. shows willingness 2 take a walk.. has power.. as he learns pitchers and makes more contact will be a good to great player with hidden defensive value