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Joel Sherman of the New York Post says Scott Boras "sounded as if he wants a three- or four-year deal for Johnny Damon" in comments made yesterday. Sherman also questions Boras' willingness to take less than the $13MM salary Damon made the last four years. Such demands would take the Yanks out of the mix for Damon's services, no matter what Boras says about his client's gene pool.
Boras' Damon comments don't mean much, until one team actually emerges that is willing to guarantee three years. Last year Boras somehow got us talking about ten years for Mark Teixeira and five for Manny Ramirez, so it's customary to aim higher than reality. But, Sherman says the Yankees "might not want to offer Damon even a two-year deal," and that does seem possible on the open market. In a blog post, Sherman recommends a two-year, $26MM agreement between Damon and the Yankees. He adds that the Yankees do not want to offer arbitration to Damon.
Meanwhile, Sherman tweets a comment from Hideki Matsui's agent Arn Tellem that suggests Matsui wants to play for another three years. How many contracts that will take, we're not sure yet. Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News surveyed more than six GMs about Matsui, and all agreed that he cannot play the outfield.
The Japanese media was all over the GM Meetings in Chicago, and Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker passes along their Matsui rumors. Specifically, there might be interest from the Red Sox and Angels as a Plan B. Also, this is weird...the Huffington Post commissioned Tellem to write a sales pitch for Matsui.
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Posted by: 04Forever | November 11, 2009 at 10:01 AM
I wouldn't have a problem giving Damon a two year deal, but these comments don't really mean anything. Boras always does this at the beginning of the offseason and then when his players dont sign the amount of years continue to go down.
Posted by: jrenz31 | November 11, 2009 at 10:02 AM
then we offer him arb. he takes it for $15mm we get one more year of him while we work on others in the minors. if he walks then we get the picks. not a terrible scenario either way if you're the yanks. Rather not see him paid $15mm for one year, but we do not however offer him anything more than $20mm for 2 years on the open market. I think Cashman is smart enough to go this route.
Posted by: TheDugout | November 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Knew this yesterday....... Yankees are just going to call his bluff. Damon has no where else to sign. Chicago was rumored but Kenny Williams even said they don't have the resources. Yankees are going to bring back Damon on there terms. He loves NY him and his wife love the NY spotlight and by the way he just won a WS championship. Expect ny to call Boras's bluff here ppl.
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Knew this yesterday....... Yankees are just going to call his bluff. Damon has no where else to sign. Chicago was rumored but Kenny Williams even said they don't have the resources. Yankees are going to bring back Damon on there terms. He loves NY him and his wife love the NY spotlight and by the way he just won a WS championship. Expect ny to call Boras's bluff here ppl.
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | November 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Took the words right out of my mouth...
Say this being discussed on Daily News Live last night and what they said was actually pretty similar.
Posted by: FreeSide | November 11, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Who is the (alleged) One team that is willing to go 3 for Damon? No one I can think of has such a big hole in Left that something like that would make sense.
Posted by: Sparticus | November 11, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Did you guys see how fast Bobby Abreu re signed with the Angels. He knew that the market for OF's would be a slow and weak one. Expect Damon to do the same here. All things for Yankee fans are point ^ right now because not only does this set them up as prime time players to resigning Damon, but it also would allow them to resign Matsui (who the Mariners will not pursue, given the clash of Japanese talents) Matsui and Ichiro are like mixing God vs the Devil in Japan... One fan base loves Matsui the next Ichiro, there would be total uproar based solely upon who outperforms who. Matsui to the Yankees on a 1 yr 5 million dollar deal + incentives is whats going to happen.
Posted by: FreeSide | November 11, 2009 at 10:13 AM
What's the alleged beef between Ichiro and Matsui? I heard Ichiro wouldn't be happy if the M's signed Matsui.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | November 11, 2009 at 10:21 AM
This is just another example of Borass being Borass... he floats all these idiotic rumors out there (like last year with Manny). No team is going to give Damon 15 mil or more for 3 or 4 years.... he can't play good defense or throw... Abreu was smart in signing right away... Damon will be lucky to get a 2 year deal somewhere..
Posted by: stadiumnut | November 11, 2009 at 10:29 AM
For a while now I have known that Ichiro and Matsui are rivals. On mlbTV they even stated that Ichiro (like Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent) would have to suck up his inner feelings and just play with the guy. But i am 100% sure that Matsui's fan base and Ichiro's fan base clash consistently and that would not be good for baseball in Seattle. Matsui is seen as a god, ichiro is seen as a god... both of them do not like each other and therefore their fans do not like the other group of fan either. To each opposing side one player has to be considered "the devil" .... Go to google type in "ichiro hates matsui" and a couple of links will pop up
Posted by: FreeSide | November 11, 2009 at 10:29 AM
yeah i never heard that either Y78. I suppose there is some sense in not having the two most influential Japanese players on the same team, just as much as there is in terms of production and marketing. Abreu got only a year last season for $5mm base and he is equally if not a better overall player than Matsui so I don't see many teams offering multi year deals for him or Damon. The yanks are the best home for both on 1 yr deals. Call me crazy, but I think we may start seeing a trend of players retiring a little earlier than the norm in the next few years. Take Varitek for example. Griffey, etc. There are just so many young talented players and with the economy being what it is, still, I think more team will be reluctant to hand out multi year deals to aging (although good) players. We'll see more of these one yr incentive laden deals taking place.
Posted by: TheDugout | November 11, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Damon and Matsui are key ingredients in the Yankee's overall team chemistry. Both should be offered 2-yr + 1 mutual option with a 10% raise for the job they did this year to bring the WS title back th NYC.
Posted by: dick healy | November 11, 2009 at 10:43 AM
"Damon and Matsui are key ingredients in the Yankee's overall team chemistry. Both should be offered 2-yr + 1 mutual option with a 10% raise for the job they did this year to bring the WS title back th NYC.
Posted by: dick healy | November 11, 2009 at 10:43 AM"
That statement is wrong in numerous ways.
1. Damon/Matsui have been there for numerous years without their 'chemistry' leading to a ring.
2. The SP brought the WS title to NYC- while Matsui was amazing in the WS, they dont get there without the SP
3. You dont pay 35year olds for past performance
4. Matsui isnt getting 2yrs from any other team, you dont bid against yourself
5. Raises? Both are looking at pay cuts from 13m at whatever team they end up with
Posted by: Deanezag | November 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM
How could the Red Sox realistically thinking about Matsui if he can only play DH? They already have an aging player (Ortiz) to fill that role.
Posted by: twitter.com/DownSwinging | November 11, 2009 at 10:56 AM
dick healy that probably ain't happening. one year each sure, but that's about it for now..Yank's have gone as far as they can with these two..
Posted by: TheDugout | November 11, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Milton Bradley or Matsui, as DH'S in the American League. I'd take Matsui any day of the week, this coming from a Sox fan. Teams are stupid not exploring this idea.
Reason I'm bringing this up is Texas might be interested in Bradley.
Posted by: Cyyoung | November 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Yankees' Lineup:
1.Jeter SS
2.Damon LF
3.Teixeira 1B
4.Rodriguez 3B
5.Matsui DH
6.Posada C
7.Cano 2B
8.Swisher RF
9.Cabrera CF
* Ken Griffey JR signs with the Mariners *
Posted by: FreeSide | November 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I think Boras is hoping teams don't look at his home/road splits.
Yankee Stadium:
.279/.382/.533/.915 17HR
Away:
.284/.349/.446/.795 7HR
So basically if a team other than the Yankees signs him they can expect to get a .284/.349/.446/.795 with 15HR power and a -12.1 UZR/150 in LF.
Now that isn't awful by any means but it certainly doesn't call for a 3-4 deal to a 36 year old outfielder.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM
". Boras argues Damon has historic durability and “the body of a 30-year-old.” Damon has played 140 or more games in 14 straight seasons."
That is the funniest Croc of sh*$t to come out of Boras's mouth since last year when he was spouting similar rubbish with Varitek and 4 years. The only team that *might* go 2 years guaranteed is the NYY, nobody else I could see foolish enough to go past 1+ a club option at the MOST, nor 1/2 of the 13M he made in 2009, not for a lame backed and LF that suffers from chronic post concussion syndrome.. Then, Boras naturally forgot to mention that..
Posted by: johns | November 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM
I cant see the Yankees not upgrading in Left Field this year, Holliday is going to be on their radar. Damon is history.
Posted by: Cyyoung | November 11, 2009 at 11:29 AM
"Sherman recommends a two-year, $26MM agreement between Damon and the Yankees."
Seems a little high for a guy who can barely throw it to 3rd base let alone home plate from LF.
I guess that short porch in right & a heads up steal of third in the world series jacks up Damon's price.
Posted by: sp_da_man | November 11, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Both Damon and Matsui's swings and power are built for and cater to the new Yankee Stadium. Both guys have had most of their home runs in Yankee Stadium and had them go out to right field. Damon had 17 of his 24 HR at Yankee Stadium and they all left via right field. Matsui had 13 of 28 HR go out in Yankee Stadium with strong right field power. It could be argued that in any other ballpark each player would have much weaker power numbers.
Neither Matsui or Damon should be offered deals that exceed 1 year 10 Mil with a second year option. They way last year's free agent market played out teams were very cautious about aging players seeking big contracts. Teams are tending to go towards younger, cheaper, more athletic talent.
Posted by: Jeff Levy | November 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Seriously, what percentage of Boras clients really pay off over the term of their contract? 3 or 4 years for Johnny Damon? Wow. 2 year maximum.
Posted by: Angelsfansince79 | November 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I'm thinking withe economics of this country, more and more kids will be brought up in the next couple of years. 34-39 yr old players with high salaries is an awful big gamble. Agents better start realizing, that it wont be collusion, it will be a simple "cant afford him right now". This is happening all across USA, and collusion is never said in those cases.
Posted by: Cyyoung | November 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Matsui to the Angels its kind of like a do it don't even want to think about signing that guy
Posted by: chris mlb expert | November 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM
As a Red sox fan I hope you sign Damon to play LF he must have the weakest arm of any outfielder in baseball
Posted by: redsoxfansince84 | November 11, 2009 at 01:00 PM
Boras compared Damon to Pete Rose... that is all you need to know.
Posted by: MetsvilleSlugger | November 11, 2009 at 01:12 PM
Get rid of Damon, we all know Matsui is gone. Re-sign Xavier Nady as DH and reserve outfielder move Melky to left, Gardner to center. Now we are younger, more athletic, faster, and maintain a solid lineup
Posted by: yanksjunkie | November 11, 2009 at 04:25 PM
I heard an intersting theory today. The guy said that perhaps Boras could be trying to get the Yankees away from Damon so they sign Holliday. Interesting theory.
Posted by: Phil | November 11, 2009 at 05:08 PM
I heard an intersting theory today. The guy said that perhaps Boras could be trying to get the Yankees away from Damon so they sign Holliday. Interesting theory.
Posted by: Phil | November 11, 2009 at 05:08 PM
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Good theory. We all know Boras is a Yanks fan.
Perhaps because they sign his players to enormous contracts without even the slightest hint of negotiations? He doesn't even have work, it's like baseball welfare.
The Yankees are his daddy, his sugar daddy.
Posted by: SoxFan2009 | November 11, 2009 at 05:23 PM
Yankees sign Matsui for DH, Holliday for RF, move Swisher to LF, sign Pettitte. Let Damon walk. Sign Lackey
Jeter
Holliday
Teixeira
Rodriguez
Matsui
Posada
Swisher
Cano
Cabrera
Sabathia
Lackey
Burnett
Pettitte
Hughes/Joba/Gaudin
Mo
Joba/Hughes
Coke
Marte
Aceves
Robertson
Posted by: Stephen | November 11, 2009 at 06:16 PM
Stephen-great post that is the way i would go.
Posted by: SullyLV. | November 11, 2009 at 06:49 PM
I highly doubt Damon signs anywhere else but for the Yankees. Boras is obviously just beefing up his client by claiming he's seeking a 4 year deal, when in reality there is absolutely 0 chance that any team offers him that kinda deal. Of course hes not going to admit that his client is willing to accept a hometown discount, but his comments after the world series and he enjoys playing for the Yanks.
I say they bring him back on a 1 yr deal with a club and/or player option for the 2nd, and maybe a 2 year deal if they decide to let Matsui walk and pass up on Holliday.
Posted by: JBYanks87 | November 11, 2009 at 06:52 PM
This is what will happen like it does every year.
1.) A stupid team like the Royals sees how Damon is available, and pounce on him.
2.) Yes, you signed him, but look at the massive jump in payroll. Nice going.
3.) After the first year you're totally regretting signing him.
4.) Next year you're fired for repeating steps 1-3.
Teams need to negotiate a little with Boras clients. Like the Red Sox and Jason Varitek last year. Look at how much smaller a contract Tek got. Or, the alternative is like Milton Bradley and the Cubs, where there was no negotiation.
Posted by: twitter.com/bomberj11 | November 11, 2009 at 08:33 PM