Cafardo On Gonzalez, Nady, Mulder

The starting pieces of a deal could be Casey Kelly and Ryan Westmoreland. With that said, I don't see how the Red Sox couldn't make a deal done with those two atop of their offer.

I think Hoyer will deal him, but he's going to fleece some of the Red Sox top prospects before it's said and done.

Agreed, bigpat, it is funny. Seriously, it has to be the minor move of the Brewers pitching offseason. Melvin made assurances to Peterson he would bring in pitching. This can't be it.

Why don't the Brewers go after somebody that's proven he can stay healthy and pitch? Is this really the person that's going to "help"?

Is Sheets return to Milwaukee a complete non-option?

The Red Sox probably will make a big trade; they have the prospects, they have the need, and they don't like bidding on free agents. Ortiz, Lowell, and Beckett will all walk away next year ast Type A free agents. If Papelbon is still on the team after 2011, he likely will too. That's a lot of extra picks to restock the farm from an A-Gone trade.

Gammons also mentioned the (highly unlikely) possibility that Beckett is traded. Would a package like the Indians got for Lee do it? Bedard? They could pile up on prospects over the next couple years and even a big FA signing like Holliday would only take away one of those picks. They know the Rays and O's are lurking and the Yankees will be spending; the Red Sox won't stand still.

If the Sox are able to get Gonzales I hope they are able to hold onto Westy...wouldn't mind losing Lars, Casey Kelly and others. I like Kelly but I think he is just years ahead of his age in terms of knowing how to pitch and his stuff points more to being a nice Jered Weaver type #2/3...which is great but replaceable with a large payroll team.

I'm not sure the Sox would move Westy anyways, I think part of his agreement to pass on college was a verbal agreement to stay with his hometown team and not be moved.

The Jed Hoyer situation has far morpe potetntial to work against the Red Sox than it does for them. I know a lot of Padres' fans have made posts along the lines of "If Hoyer doesn't get this guy, this guy, this guy, etc", but the truth is, Hoyer isn't going to do Boston any favors just like Byrnes didn't and just like Epstein didn't do any for San Diego.

If Hoyer gets a package of names people did not suspect, the reality is people should be thinking 1) what does he know about these players and 2) what does he know about Kelly, Westmoreland, Bard, etc.?

This much we all get, he knows Boston's farm system better than anyone who posts on these boards. So if he does take an unanticipated package, there is most defintely a reason...

YanksFanSince78, no, it is not a non-option. Both sides have expressed some interest in a contract, but, Doug Melvin should be wary of Sheets' injury history, of which he knows very well.

Mulder would be interesting, perhaps to take the place of our other Cardinal's castoff, Jeff Suppan, as the 5th starter.

However, we need a big pitcher. John Lackey would be the best free agent we could possibly get. I expect us to compete for him, but I'm not sure we can get him. Maybe a Joel Piniero type would be good. However, I think we could trade Gamel and Hart or something like it for a good, quality #2 guy.

Frankly it seems silly that the Red Sox have to acquire one particular player in order to keep up with the Yankees. It also seem silly to suggest that the Red Sox could acquire that player on a whim or at their leisure. How about looking at the deal from San Diego's point of view first instead of the Sox POV? That sort of changes the landscape doesn't it?

Milwaukee may look at Mulder but it would seem that they've cleared enough payroll to go after Lackey if they wanted. Not bringing back Looper would make it all that much more feasible. With Suppan coming off the books soon it would make a ton of sense given their needs.

I don't think the Sox are serious about going after Adrian Gonzalez... I think its the media needing to write a story and they figure that since the Red Sox made an offer to Teixeira that they will be after another first baseman. I don't think the Sox try and force any moves this offseason, rather letting the deals come to them. Numerous teams throughout the league are looking to shed some salary such was the case with the Marlins trading Jeremy Hermida. The Red Sox will hold their offer to Jason Bay out there until they sign Matt Holliday or find another option. Its going to be Bay's choice if he wants to come back to the Sox or not. I personally think that the Sox best move this offseason will be to sign Adrian Beltre. His offense was in a decline last year due to injury but his defense is probably the best in the league and left side defense was one of the Sox major problems last year.

"It's basically trying to make a deal with yourself, AND trying to win it.
Just a thought."

I don't think any GM is necessarily trying to "win" a trade. Going into it with that kind of mindset is going to limit future negotiations with that GM. In a perfect world the trade is a win for both teams.

What about a blockbuster deal . . .

Atlanta trades:
Kris Medlen
Jordan Schafer
Freddie Freeman
Craig Kimbrel
Other Piece or two

Atlanta Gets:
Adrian Gonzalez
Heath Bell

or if you're a NY Fan.

Joba/Hughes as the centerpiece for Adrian

mzalicious- Yankees need another 1B because?

i love this constant battle of who can out-do eachother between the Yankees and the Red Sox. The fact is that the Yankees can afford to take HUGE revenue risks and the Red Sox can't (at least to the same extent).

I think the Yanks should let both Damon and Matsui walk...they dont need them. They could go after a full-time DH like Carlos Delgado or they could go after a guy like Chone Figgins and solve the leadof spot, moving moving Swisher into a DH role. I think getting a LH Power bat to take advantage of their RF Wall

I am not against getting Adrian Gonzalez however I would look for other options. The other option I am talking about is Miguel Cabrera. Now before I get ripped by baseball fans there is a scenario that could arise in which Cabrera might be avialable.

The Tigers are in the sh**s. Their payroll is too high and have overpaid players. Like, Magglio Ordonez and Dontrelle Willis. Those two have little to no value in trading and both are on rental deals. But this year like the 2 previous years the Tigers could lose up to 20% of revenue. The economy is so bad in Detroit.

I would like to see something like Youkilis and a Prospect for Miguel Cabrera.

It is a fair trade, lesser salary and more defense for youth and more pop.

If you compare Adrian Gonzalez to Miguel Cabrera their stats are comparable however Miggy runs away with his avg.

What this trade also does is gives Theo more bullets to get another player, like King Felix or Hanley Ramirez.

I think Theo could do some damage this off-season, it all depends on how he allocates his resources when making deals(money, prospects and major league talent). For example if Theo has Felix then trades Beckett, I am okay with that as long as, another pitcher is coming aboard, like a FA signing. I think a Beckett, Lowell, and cash trade to the Dodgers could happen...

If Epstein really wants to he could get 2 or even 3 of Felix, Cabrera/Gonzalez, or Hanley Ramirez.

i love this constant battle of who can out-do eachother between the Yankees and the Red Sox. The fact is that the Yankees can afford to take HUGE revenue risks and the Red Sox can't (at least to the same extent).

Posted by: slr5607 | November 08, 2009 at 06:19 PM
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Yeah, Boston is cash strapped? What a joke.
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I think the Yanks should let both Damon and Matsui walk...they dont need them. They could go after a full-time DH like Carlos Delgado or they could go after a guy like Chone Figgins and solve the leadof spot, moving moving Swisher into a DH role. I think getting a LH Power bat to take advantage of their RF Wall
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So you want to get rid of Matsui (a full time DH who has thrived as a Yankee) to bring in Delgado (another full-time DH). Where's the benefit? Also you say we should let Matsui and Damon walk but then say they need to acquire a LH power bat. Both Matsui and Damon are LF so why not just keep one or both?