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SUNDAY, 3:25pm: The Toronto Blue Jays called off the swap because of concerns about Snyder's surgically repaired back, according to Nick Piecoro of The Arizona Republic.
2:16pm: In an update to last night's article, Gilbert reports that the deal has been put on hold, according to a Major League source.
SATURDAY, 7:44pm: MLB.com's Steve Gilbert cites a Major League source who says the two sides are "making progress" in their discussions.
12:31pm: Nick Piecoro of The Arizona Republic reports that the two teams are discussing a Snyder for Lyle Overbay swap. He mentions that it's "unclear how far along the trade talks are."
10:05am: MLBTR has learned that the Blue Jays and Diamondbacks are in trade talks for catcher Chris Snyder.
Snyder would be a good fit for the Jays, who have catcher Rod Barajas eligible for free agency. The 28-year-old Snyder hit .200/.333/.352 for the D'Backs in a season marred by a back injury (he had surgery in September). Presumably the Blue Jays' doctors would have to check him out before a deal could be completed. The other issue would be money - Snyder is owed $11.25MM over the next two seasons. Snyder received the contract on the strength of his '08 season (.237/.348/.452) but has since lost the starting job to Miguel Montero.
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11.25 ! might as well keep rod...
Posted by: kaikon | November 07, 2009 at 10:12 AM
If the D'backs are paying part of the contract I could see this happening. The Jays could give up a starter or a reliever. Maybe both. It's tough to assess Snyder's value because of the injury and whether 08 was a fluke or his career norm.
Also Tim - I'm liking that it's starting to be that MLBTR is learning stuff, rather then just reporting what other people are saying. Just goes to show that MLBTR is out there, and you're building connections. Great job!
Posted by: Nick0rz | November 07, 2009 at 10:13 AM
mmmm....i'm not sure if I like this guy over Barajas. plus I don't know what they would have to give up to get him.
Posted by: TrueBlue | November 07, 2009 at 10:14 AM
how is his defense?
Posted by: kaikon | November 07, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Probably will be a salary dump for the D'Backs. May get a lower prospect, but probably money is going to the Jays. I like the deal for both sides.
Posted by: worldchamps08 | November 07, 2009 at 10:19 AM
I wonder if there's any chance this potential deal could/woud be expanded to include Stephen Drew. I read that the DBacks could look to move him also, and that would fill the Jays other opening.
Posted by: dizzle | November 07, 2009 at 10:21 AM
how is his defense?
Posted by: kaikon | November 07, 2009 at 10:19 AM
He is a defense first catcher, and calls a Varitek like game. He just hits .220 where as Montero hit .300 so he got Snyder's job.
Snyder is a Salary Dump.
Stephen Drew. I read that the DBacks could look to move him also, and that would fill the Jays other opening.
Posted by: dizzle | November 07, 2009 at 10:21 AM
As with Drew. The D-Backs are just listening. They are only trading him if they get blown away by an offer. There is probably a 95% chance Drew is still in Arizona next year.
Posted by: Serg Rush | November 07, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Thanks for the info Serg
Posted by: dizzle | November 07, 2009 at 10:34 AM
$11.25 over the next two years for a catcher with a surgically repaired back, just 2 months ago? Are you nuts?
The Jays should have kept Ricciardi if they fall for foolishness like this!
Posted by: HoratioAlgae | November 07, 2009 at 10:46 AM
The jays have quietly made some decent moves last year. The rolen trade was genius even if Encarnacion had a bad season. Saved plenty of money there. Too bad they didn't pull the trigger for roy or they would have had a great trade deadline last year.
I think that the jays need to buy low this offseason. They aren't going to compete this year but they have some nice pieces. Trade for Snyder and resign Scutaro...thats a start.
Posted by: mewruler | November 07, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Thanks. I believe this a Snyder-Toronto deal is likely to happen, once they iron some things out.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | November 07, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Yeah but Tim do you like this deal? Is this really the best option? What are they asking for in return? do you know? How far away is J.P. Arencibia really?
Posted by: TrueBlue | November 07, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Is there the possibility that Anthopolous sends some money to Arizona in a straight-up swap (ie: Encarnacion or Overbay?)
This could also be a tricky situation in the sense that I'd hope Anthopoulous offers Barajas arbitration, but I can't imagine how it would affect payroll if he accepted after a Snyder trade was completed?
Posted by: morays | November 07, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I considered Snyder the backbone of the D-Backs' 2007-8 run. He calls a great game, takes a BB and has some pop in his bat. If he's healthy, he's one of the better catchers in the game. Best of all, he can be had by anybody willing to pick up his contract. My guess is the Jays haggle too much and somebody else will swoop in and be willing to grab Snyder at full price.
Posted by: M2 | November 07, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I would rather have rod than snyder...even tho they are both not offensively minded catchers. I thought rod did a good job in toronto last year and i hope they choose him instead
Posted by: Arock1234 | November 07, 2009 at 11:38 AM
M2 you are clearly biased. I highly doubt any GM will be willing to give up anything of value for an expensive 11+ million for two years of Snyder when other veteran catchers like B.Molina, Barajas, Hernandez, I-Rod, Torrealba, Olivio, and Schnieder will be fighting it out for contracts that are likely to be affordable 1 year deals with an option.
Posted by: morays | November 07, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I like the idea of bringing Snyder in. Barajas was one of, if not the, worst hitting catchers in the game last year. If we can replace him with Snyder at the cost of a mediocre prospect and have Arizona cover a portion of his salary this trade would be a coup.
Posted by: inthewings | November 07, 2009 at 12:29 PM
I do like the idea of a Overbay Snyder swap but money has to be coming the Jays way. Overbay has one year left on the contract and he had a decent year.
Posted by: The_Bunk | November 07, 2009 at 12:36 PM
the jays already have 2 really good catching prospects, don't they?
Posted by: plessis204 | November 07, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Overbay would be a nice return to AZ. i belive it is where he started if i am not mistaken.
Posted by: Carl | November 07, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Yep, sure is Carl. they dealt him to Milwaukee as part of that crazy Richie Sexson trade back in the day.
Posted by: Mike Axisa | November 07, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Richie Sexon, theres a winner!!!!
Posted by: Carl | November 07, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Funny turn of events compared to last season seeming how Montero was the "trade target" last season. But IMO, i do like Montero over Snyder and Jon Hester looks like he could fill in nicely as a backup.
Posted by: Carl | November 07, 2009 at 12:49 PM
In other news, what ever happened to Travis Lee?
Posted by: Carl | November 07, 2009 at 12:51 PM
snyder is a tough dude that went through a down year... anyway i heard the mets are possibly looking at barajas, any of you blue jays fans that have watched him all year have anything to see about him to someone who has barely watched him play?? thanks
Posted by: wright is my boy | November 07, 2009 at 12:58 PM
I like this trade simply because I hate Overbay and have wanted the Jays to deal him for over two years. For what we'd be getting though this is fair value and maybe even favours Zona
Posted by: TrueBlue | November 07, 2009 at 01:02 PM
Overbay is clearly on good contract while most agree that Snyder is on a bad contract. There has to be some significant cash or prospect(s) going the Jays way, otherwise they are insane.
Posted by: Grant77 | November 07, 2009 at 01:14 PM
Something to consider, just pure speculation: It seemed at the end of the season with the Cito mutiny that Overbay was one of the more disenchanted Jays, for obvious reasons after being platooned with the beyond-awful Kevin Millar all year. Perhaps Overbay asked to be moved?
Posted by: dizzle | November 07, 2009 at 01:33 PM
OOOOMMMGGGG D Backs take the deal get OVERBAY omg take it hat r u crazy you already have montero!!! yake it you got no first basemen take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Black-And-Proud | November 07, 2009 at 01:40 PM
Grant77 Overbay has an inflated contract. I believe he is slated to earn 7M in 2010...This deal sounds fair for both teams with the jays getting the slight edge b/c of salary dumpage
Posted by: Arock1234 | November 07, 2009 at 02:06 PM
"Overbay has an inflated contract. I believe he is slated to earn 7M in 2010...This deal sounds fair for both teams with the jays getting the slight edge b/c of salary dumpage"
...what? Are you thick in the head? Jays send 7 million and the Diamondbacks send 11.25 million, and you consider it a winning salary DUMP for the Jays?
Posted by: morays | November 07, 2009 at 02:26 PM
Overbay for Snyder
That favors Arizona.
- 7m vs 11.5m
- Overbay is in his contract year, Snyder has 2 seasons remaining.
- Overbay is healthier
- Overbay is the better player
I'm guessing cash or a prospect would head to Toronto also.
Posted by: jaysfan99 | November 07, 2009 at 02:56 PM
How on earth does he have an 'inflated contract' Arock. He's been worth well over 7 million every year since 2004, barring 2007 where he didn't really play.
He'd get over 3/20 at the absolute minimum on the open market so one year is great value.
Posted by: Grant77 | November 07, 2009 at 04:22 PM
Well look at this deal for a second. I think it would be a great deal. Everyone mentions that Snyder plays a smart defensive game and goes for the BB and has some pop. He clearly has some pop because in one of his seasons he had 21 HR in 115 games and plus Rod had the worst OBP basically in the league.
Also look who would replace at first. You have a prepared Randy Ruiz and a fairly seasoned Brian Dopirak. If they can get some cash or a prospect as well, then this would be the perfect deal for both teams.
I would go for it. You have a better OBP catcher (plus an extra pick with Barajas) and you will have great hitting at 1B.
Overbay was great defensively but never really went on hot or cold streaks. Just a normal .265 15 HR 80 RBI man. I'd say take the deal in a Jays perspective.
Posted by: Jays #1 | November 07, 2009 at 05:46 PM
Most teams look for a player who is consistently very good with few slumps, not the opposite.
Posted by: Grant77 | November 07, 2009 at 06:21 PM
my sarcasm detector usually operates at a high level, but i'm not sure whether marinersfanforlife is serious or not.
let's hope it's not.
i still say that with jeff mathis's playoff performance that it makes napoli available and enticing to the jays in a halladay package.
but then the angels never seem to think outside their own box.
Posted by: crash | November 08, 2009 at 01:39 AM
I like this deal from the Jays standpoint. They have internal options at first. I think they give Dopirak a shot in spring training, while Lind gets some work in if Dopirak doesn't work out. They also have Ruiz but I think he would be better served as a DH. They get a good catcher in his prime to hold over untill (if?) Arencibia is ready.
Posted by: Denoit | November 08, 2009 at 08:19 AM
I think this move sets up nicely a Delgado return for Toronto.
Posted by: mateodh | November 08, 2009 at 09:49 AM
"I think this move sets up nicely a Delgado return for Toronto."
Doubt it. More like a Lind to 1B move for the Jays. Then Ruiz will be at DH, possibly in a platoon.
I like this trade for the Jays. Snyder for 2 years gives Arencibia at least another year to develop in the minors. He hit .236/.284/.444 in 116 AAA games this year. Then, perhaps come up as a platoon with Snyder in 2 years time.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | November 08, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Put on hold? I wonder if this related to Snyder's health.
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Posted by: MickS | November 08, 2009 at 03:45 PM
I think they should expand the deal. Maybe Brandon Allen, 2prospects, snyder and eric byrnes for Halladay and Overbay
Posted by: Bluemargay | November 09, 2009 at 06:12 PM
Snyder is an excellent catcher. Top 5 defensively in the NL. Some would say 2nd behind Yadier Molina. He knows how to call an excellent game, terrific defense, and a pretty good arm to throw out would be stealers.
Offensively, he's hit or miss. Career-wise, around a .230-.240 hitter w/ some occasional pop.
So really, just his recent surgery/back problems are his MAIN downfall.
And no, we dont want Overbay.
Posted by: dbacknation | November 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM