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Yeah, Uggla will be traded for cheap young talent. Players people like to mention like Sanchez and Scott have far too much service time to be traded for Uggla. We will see him traded for 3-4 players with 0-1 years of service time.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM
uggla to mariners for morrow, johnson, vargas the deal would move lopez to 1b
Posted by: marinersfanforlife | November 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM
What would it cost for the Dodgers to trade for Uggla?
Uggla and JJ?(I know it will never happen, just curious..
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | November 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Didn't the Atlanta Braves wanna get Dan Uggla and try and get him to play LF for them? Then have Martin Prado and Yunel Escobar as SS and 2nd Base.
Posted by: ReD SoX | November 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM
YEs actually and I think that would be awesome. He would need alot of practice though to repick up left field from when he was in the minors
Posted by: NYBravosFan | November 15, 2009 at 10:09 PM
O's are going to get him for package centered around David Hernandez, Berken, and another mid to low level prospects. It makes the most sense. For both teams.
Posted by: BleedOrange | November 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM
and BTW to everyone else JJ aint going no where so stop asking
Posted by: BleedOrange | November 15, 2009 at 10:13 PM
I would love Uggla's bat in the lineup but I'm not sure how he could handle LF.
Prado has played a fair amount of OF in winter ball so I might take Uggla at 2B and Prado at either LF, RF or 1B depending on when Heyward comes up, if we bring back LaRoche or a OFer, etc. I don't buy that Uggla is THAT bad at 2B just merely below average and I think UZR would back be up on that.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 15, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Yes, the braves definately had an interest in uggla as an option in LF. With the recent revelations of this and our interest in Willingham, it appears that the braves are seeking bang for their buck (young talent). In other words, we are seeking under the radar power sources, players who will not cost us our top prospects and will produce acceptable results in our areas of need. I do prefer uggla over willingham, and am warming up to the braves getting him. He has shown consistent power, and while he does definately leave a lot to be desired at the plate, his prowess is getting better. I think his lack of average but good power would be great for our lineup since our 2-7 hitters all make good to great contact and hit for decent to high averages.
As far as the young controllable players go, that is the biggest part of this trade that the braves have to figure out. My guess is that the Marlins will be seeking a return around prado or medlen, and I just do not know if that could happen, I know I would not trade either one of those two in a deal for uggla. However, the Marlins are not at fault for seeking that type of return. As a result, a potential may have a hard time happening.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 15, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Uggla to the Giants.
Posted by: kuyote | November 15, 2009 at 10:16 PM
the Giants have the prospects to get a deal done for Uggla
a package with 3 or 4 players of Conor Gillaspie, Nick Noonan, Josh Mazzola, Brett Pill, Henry Sosa, Clayton Tanner, Kevin Pucetas, Brandon Crawford should be of interest to the Marlins
Posted by: Bleacher_bum_SF | November 15, 2009 at 10:16 PM
just from what I hear and see I have a feeling the the O's are gonna get him. Cuz yea, they keep saying that we want a better fielding 3B. But yet they say they need a big power bat which Uggla is. And every rumor of Uggla it has the O's in it. I just have a feeling that we will see Uggla in a O's uni this season. Which would be GREAT!
Posted by: Cody | November 15, 2009 at 10:43 PM
"What would it cost for the Dodgers to trade for Uggla?
Uggla and JJ?(I know it will never happen, just curious.."
We've talked about this plenty of times already. It would take alot.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM
For Uggla and JJ....
I am sure the marlins would start with an asking price centered around Billingsley, probably even Billingsley and Loney.
Posted by: bravesbeast | November 15, 2009 at 11:27 PM
"For Uggla and JJ....
I am sure the marlins would start with an asking price centered around Billingsley, probably even Billingsley and Loney."
Um, no! Try Billingsley, Loney, McDonald, and a TOP prospect or 2.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 12:13 AM
You guys still don't get it. Billingsley has 3+ years of service time and will be arbi elligible this year so he would NOT be in any deal for JJ and Uggla. Young and cheap is what they are looking for and Billingsley will quickly become very expensive.
If the Dodgers want JJ and Uggla they are likely looking at McDonald, Gordon, two of E.Martin/Elbert/Withrow, and a lower prospect that the Fish have their eyes on.
The Fish will not be trading for players with more than two years of service time. This SHOULD be obvious by now.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 16, 2009 at 12:38 AM
I'm definitely starting to think that Uggla is heading to San Fran. The trade would work out nicely A package of Nick Noonan, Conor Gillaspie, Clayton Tanner, Waldis Joaquin, and Brandon Crawford for Uggla and Renyel Pinto would be perfect. I would have asked for Angel Villalona, but apparently he's going to jail for killing someone in the Dominican Republic.
If the Giants sign a hitter like, let's say.... Matt Holliday, then you're looking at a 3,4,5 of Pablo Sandoval, Holliday, and Uggla with a rotation of Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Brad Penny, Barry Zito, and Jonathon Sanchez. That's down right FILTHY!
For my Marlins, we're looking towards 2012 when the new stadium opens. All 5 of the players are very talented (though not considered as top prospects) and could make an impact two or three years down the line. I'd be happy with this trade. I wish we could get a catching prospect out of this (cause Kyle Skipworth is a bust) but I don't think we could pass up on a deal like this.
I think I'd then turn around and trade Jorge Cantu to the Twins for one of there surplus of catching prospects. Something like Cantu for Wilson Ramos.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Bbxxj, you're absolutely right.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 01:06 AM
@JPizzle
In general I think people would be shocked to see how much it would take in terms of prospects to get JJ. I would almost be a Miggy part two deal without Willis but maybe Uggla added in.
However I would bet people will be just as shocked to see how little Uggla will bring back. This year may be the only one that he has value above his contract and that other teams know he needs to be moved. He'll still bring in some nice young players due to the volume of suitors involved but I'm afraid it won't be what some Fish fans hoped for.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 16, 2009 at 01:18 AM
Don't know if Giant fans will agree but I think a package of Dan Runzler, Waldis Joaquin, and either Aaron King/Henry Sosa/ Nick Noonan for Uggla is pretty fair.
What you think?
Posted by: Cubangm | November 16, 2009 at 05:53 AM
Ya, that's exactly what I was thinking. Something along the lines of the Miguel Cabrera/Willis Deal.
But I will admit, I thought we could get more for Uggla than what we will actually get. Not that guys like Conor Gillaspie and Nick Noonan are not talented prospects, but they're not the Andrew Lambo's, Buster Posey's, and Madison Bumgarner's of the world. But again, that's the best we're gonna get for Uggla. I'm good with that though, Gillaspie, Noonan, and one or two more Mid-level to Lower-level prospects.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 06:19 AM
@ CubanGM,
As a Marlins fan, I don't agree with that deal. Nick Noonan and Conor Gillaspie have to be the centerpieces of any deal for Uggla. Those are the two best prospects that the Giants are willing to give up for Uggla while still give up one or two mid to lower level prospects as well. We gotta take as much as we can for Uggla. It's not even about pitching prospects anymore. No one is willing to give up top pitching talent for a guy like Uggla. It's sad but true.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 06:23 AM
Giants fans, would you trade Rafael Rodriguez?
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 06:36 AM
How much drugs did you take before writing that?
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 07:37 AM
Dan Uggla and Matt Lindstrom for Conor Gillaspie, Nick Noonan, Rafael Rodriguez, and Brandon Crawford?
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 07:41 AM
I think is Jorge Posada...why else would you have a line-up like that and leave Posada in it?
Posted by: stlcards16 | November 16, 2009 at 07:42 AM
Can you imagine the giants infield defense with Rentaria and Uggla in the middle? Is that the worst in the big league?
Posted by: Sparticus | November 16, 2009 at 09:09 AM
JPizzle,
Not to bust your bubble. But Cantu is not nearly enough for Wilson Ramos, even one on one.
Ramos has BATTERED pitching all throughout minors and has showed a plus glove. Not to mention he is coming off a great Winter League so far. He is the backup to Mauer not signing.
He will start the year at AAA. Winter league stats so far:
.367/.432/.663/1.096
6 hr, 26 rbi, 36 hits, 9 2b, 1 3b in 98 abs.
He has mantained a .300 or so bat, with power and glove. Add him to that Twins wont trade pool along with Aaron Hicks. (Ben Revere is another story, i think they would trade him..)
But if the Twins were giving up Ramos, it would be the headliner of a package for Josh Johnson. They have coveted that Minneapolis native for a bit now.
Posted by: patsfanatic83 | November 16, 2009 at 10:28 AM
"Can you imagine the giants infield defense with Rentaria and Uggla in the middle? Is that the worst in the big league?"
That is a fact. Rent-a-wreck sucks and Uggs, while has good hands, really has no range at all as a second baseman and needs to be moved to 3B ASAP.
Too bad Mikey Lowell has a year left on his contract, would love to see Boston move some of the young pitching, like Bowden, or Tazawa and the ones they have at A ball for Uggs, then move him to 3rd. Give them the power hitter they have not had there since Butch Hobson back in the 70's.
Posted by: johns | November 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Now a Ramos, Revere, Perkins and 2 mid level prospects trade might be a solid offer by the Twins to try and start off a package for Uggla and JJ.
I just doubt the Fish give up JJ.
Posted by: patsfanatic83 | November 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM
No. Because Uggla is not a terrible 2nd baseman. He's average. There's no difference defensively between Chase Utley and Dan Uggla. The only thing is Uggla had a terrible All Star game in front of everybody and people still look at that day. I'm not gonna sit here and lie and say he's great. But he's not terrible either. I watched him every game, and I can tell you that he's average. His range is average, his arm strength is average (which I why I can't understand why anyone would move him to third), but he does make all the plays that he should make. Cut him some slack. This season, the Marlins were pretty good up the middle. You guys really need to stop with the excuses about his poor defense.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 10:33 AM
I will say i have heard many rumors saying the Twins had interest in JJ. And even a couple small rumors where writers think they would be interested in Uggla, but most likely to play 3b.
Posted by: patsfanatic83 | November 16, 2009 at 10:35 AM
How many years does JJ have left with the fish and how many are arb years?
Posted by: BleedOrange | November 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM
JPizzle - you're gonna take a lot of flak for bringing Utley into the conversation, but you're not wrong about Uggla's defense.
His career UZR/150 is -2.9. In comparison, look at Brian Roberts over the past 4 years (to coincide with Uggla's sample size) - I can't say for sure but I'm guessing his UZR/150 is close to -2.9. And Roberts, of course, is considered an average defender.
Posted by: ugen64 | November 16, 2009 at 10:58 AM
"Now a Ramos, Revere, Perkins and 2 mid level prospects trade might be a solid offer by the Twins to try and start off a package for Uggla and JJ. I just doubt the Fish give up JJ."
JJ alone would cost Wilson Ramos and Aaron Hicks as a starting point. That's the Price you pay for an Ace pitcher in the beginning of his prime. To land both JJ AND Uggla, it would take who's only going to get better. something like the Miguel Cabrera/Dontrelle Willis deal. Something like Hicks, Ramos, Kyle Gibson, and 3 mid-level pitching prospects. In fact, this looks exactly like the Cabrera/Willis deal. Hicks (Cameron Maybin, top prospect), Ramos (Andrew Miller, 3rd best prospect), Kyle Gibson (Eulogio De La Cruz, he was a bust but he was the Tigers 7th best prospect), and 3 mid-level guys (Burke Badenhop, Mike Rabelo, and Dallas Trahern). Ya this deal is almost exactly what it would cost.
As for the Ramos for Cantu. You're probably right. I was talking about a straight up deal. I had not looked at Ramos' winter ball stats l, but that's really impressive. I only brought him up because I really don't think Joe Mauer is going anywhere. And the Twins have a surplus of good young catching prospects in the minors. Figure all that in and Wilson Ramos appears expendable for the right price. Am I wrong?
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM
@ugen64,
thank you for looking up the stats. It's true. Can you find the stats of Chase Utley?
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 11:12 AM
How many years does JJ have left with the fish and how many are arb years?
Posted by: BleedOrange | November 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM
He has two more arbitration years left. He's property of the Marlins through 2011. However, it looks like the Marlins are gonna sign him long term. Doesn't look like he's going anywhere.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM
@ JPizzle
It would have to be for a pretty big name in order for the Twins to have Ramos in a package deal. Very unlikely.
Posted by: Sharktank45 | November 16, 2009 at 02:27 PM
@Sharktank45,
you don't think Josh Johnson AND Dan Uggla is a big enough deal??? Cause that's the deal we were talking about. I'm not saying that deal will ever happen, nor do I wish it to happen cause I like JJ, and he's kind of irreplacable at the moment. But a Twins fan asked me what it would take to land JJ and Uggla. It would take Aaron Hicks, Wilson Ramos, Kyle Gibson, and 3 mid-level pitching prospects. Kind of like the '07 deal for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis.
Posted by: JPizzle | November 16, 2009 at 02:45 PM
is JJ was put on the market the twins would not get his services there are too many big market teams that would pay crazy prospects for a 25 year old number 1 style pitcher.
He is 2 years controlled still, not even at his prime and continues to preform very good. Kid has potential to be an ace. I dont expect to see him traded but he would start with alot for trade back, people would be more then surprised.
As for Uggla I still think dodgers or O's is where he ends up, with an outside chance of the LAA.
Posted by: Fishfan79 | November 16, 2009 at 05:32 PM
Add Logan Morrison to the list of young Marlins that might be ready to step in. In our scouting report, posted today, we like the notion of Logan gettin a shot at Hermida's spot in RF: http://www.mlbfantasyprospects.com/2009/11/14-mlb-fantasy-prospect-logan-morrison-1b-florida-marlins---scouting-report.html
Posted by: MLB Fantasy Prospects | November 17, 2009 at 07:18 PM