Discussion: Fernando Tatis

"In 2008, ... The then 31-year-old"

"Tatis, who turns 35 on New Year's Day,"

Man, he's aging quick.

venn 177

Yeah, I was going to post the same thing.

Sorry I guess I just don't see that.

I think that the Mets should let Tatis go. Even though he had a pretty good couple of years with the team I think he represents the Mets problems of the past, and they need to move on with some younger talent.

The Mets most certainly will release Tatis as part of the "revamping." However, the team who does pick him up may strike gold. Especially coming off the bench he is a useful player with good versatility, and in '08 he had a knack for getting the important or "clutch" hit. He regressed a bit this season but then started to figure it out again, he could honestly be a steal for a team.

Slow day?

Posted by: Chris | November 14, 2009 at 10:39 PM

When nothing is going on put up a Mets post. You know Mets fans will comment on anything.

How bout that Danny Almonte... totally dominated those 12 year old's. At age 14...

Tatis would be a welcome invite back to the bench but the Mets are screwed if he needs to start for any extended period again

I'm a diehard Mets fan and I had know idea Tatis was that proficient defensively. Given the Mets woes this past season, I think he may be useful as a pinch hitter/defensive replacement, especially considering how little he'll earn.

Who are the Mets going to replace Tatis with? Nick Evans? LOL.

Posted by: Baseball Nut | November 14, 2009 at 10:47 PM

What's wrong with replacing Tatis with Evans? Tatis was a platoon-type hitter last year, as evidenced by his splits (92 OPS+ vs. RHP; 112 OPS+ vs. LHP), and Evans is more than ready to take over the role (.934 OPS in 462 AB vs. LHP).

I like Tatis as much as the next Mets fan, but paying guaranteed money and allotting a roster spot when Nick Evans is capable of providing a similar (if not better) performance) is silly.

and everyone who says the farm and talent is dry heres a list of guys that can be packaged up

f.martinez
b.parnel
j.throle
bowman
i.davis
r.tejada
j.niece{how ever he spells it}
j.maine
we stole santana give some guys up omar and get doc halladay here ASAP and phillie finds a way to get halladay omar and the wilpons should hold hands and jump off the top of citi field together

openid: So the Mets are getting all of this money from..?

Also, they are going to throw away every young player they have for Halladay (1 year at age 33...and he wants a big extension before he goes anywhere) and Doumit (who is NEVER healthy and I recently learned was unable to stay healthy in the minors and was a DH a lot...he has back problems at a young age, so that's a disaster waiting to happen with the NY media)?

The Mets had only 4 starters make 15 starts last year:

Mike Pelfrey--31 starts, 5.03 ERA
Johan Santana--25 starts, 3.13 ERA before injury
Tim Redding--17 starts, 5.10 ERA
John Maine--15 starts, 4.43 ERA

So, that's basically 2 healthy starters and a patchwork bunch for #3-5. Now, of those "prospects," metsgeek.com only listed Martinez, Davis, and Parnell in the Mets' top-15 prospects.

http://www.metsgeek.com/articles/2008/11/03/new-york-mets-top-15-prospects/

So, they are going to trade their only 3 valuable, young pieces (though a 5.38 ERA in 88 IP over 8 starts and 68 relief appearances for Parnell isn't really valuable) for Halladay and Doumit. Seriously, Halladay will probably cost Martinez, Davis, and Parnell, plus maybe one other.

Doumit, again, is never healthy. He could very well be had for Maine alone, or maybe Maine and one of those C- failures.

So, now you have traded 5 or 6 of these 7 "prospects," and the farm is barren. The team is now out of minors players, according to you. What is next?

Well, you allegedly think the Mets just found $100 million on the street outside of New Yankee Stadium (prolly the money from Pavano's Yankees contract and A-Rod's pre-'09 postseason career). Why do I say this? Because you think they now magically have the funds to get a $7 million+ OF in Dye (who can't field, so good luck with him there...lol -24.5 UZR/15- ranking last among AL RFs), manage to take on Doumit's injury-prone $7.25 million for '10 and $8.25 in '11, pay Wolf his 3 years and $10 million+ per year he is expected to make, AND re-sign Halladay (which people say he wants before being traded) at probably $15 million+ per year for 3 years. Oh, and you get to bring Delgado back for prolly $5 million+.

So, let's review:

You traded 6 of the 7 prospects you claim to have, meaning the farm system you believe to exist is gutted (even though that site has 12 other people among the 3 they ranked top-15 from your names).

The Mets' magically have a bunch of money now. The $12 million Delgado and the $6 million J.J. Putz made have turned to $45 million, ehh? Because Doumit gets $7.25, Wolf gets $10+, Delgado gets $5+, Dye gets $7+, and Halladay gets $15+. That's $44.75 million+.

There's also Wagner's $10 million+, though.

But K-Rod gets another $2 million in '10. Wright gets another $2.5 million. Johan gets another $1 million. The possibly dead Jose Reyes get $4.25 million more (I say dead because horrid leg problems for a speedster aren't good). Keeping Francoeur for his glove at $2-3 million would make sense if you want Dye. Maine gets a raise from arbitration, maybe another $500K or $1 million. Feliciano gets a small raise, I would imagine. Maybe 250K?

At this point, we are at a total of $58 million (I went with the average for salary ranges I suggested). This ignores all of the other 5-8 players or whatever that the Mets will be giving raises to, so it could be $63-65 million added at the end.

This is with around $30 million I noticed in big contracts being dropped.

In a tough economy, a team that claimed to have been scammed out of money and not being able to spend a lot will have $30-40 million off their '09 $150 million cap, then they will raise it to $170 million or so?

Go, go Gadget LOGIC!!!

cubs223425 - the mets are getting 20 million a year EXTRA from Citibank for naming rights..plus at least ANOTHER 30 MILLION from MLB.com in profit sharing...

thats 50 MILLION DOLLARS they get BEFORE THEY SELL A TICKET.

that 50 million mil can be used to trade/sign Doc, Lackey, one more SP ( Harden/Sheets )..

Our rotation COULD BE

Santana
Doc
Lackey
Harden ( or Ollie )
Pelfrey

Maine to the bullpen

But Jeff wants to buy another island, so it will probably be

Santana
Wolfe
Ollie
Pelfrey
Maine

Tatis was clutch for us for the last 2 years but it's probably time to mov on. I think he is still a good player in a limited role so the Rangers could be a good fit.

With Tatis, I would say they should keep him for at least another season. They don't know how healthy Reyes will be, and they are trying hard to move Castillo. The 1B situation is also unsettled, as are the corner OF spots if Francoeur is let go (stupidly).

So, they have 5 spots that are uncertain to an extent. Keeping Tatis's versatility there is a definite must.

Good defense, descent bat, multiple positions, relatively cheap. I'd say there are a multitude of teams that should be in on him. Given his age it's probably a good idea to go year to year, maybe two at the most. He certainly shouldn't be considered a cornerstone player but he could help most teams. Low revenue teams like the Pirates, Nationals, Reds, Royals, Padres, Marlins and perhaps even the Rays ought to look at him, let him build value and trade him to a contender before the deadline. It wouldn't cost them much and given his versatility they could get something worthwhile in exchange.

openid: Again, you ignore things.

First off, I would give Figeuroa a chance to win a rotation spot, maybe Niese too (unless both get traded).

You said you wanted Doumit? Give Maine for him cuz Scheinder's money done makes the Doumit deal pretty cheap. Still, Molina at $6-8 million/yer for 1-2 years would maybe be smarter.

You didn't even mention the cost of Dye. It will be probably $7-8 million. I guess they could go with the random 'tard C and spend money on the worst defensive RF in the AL last year (under -24 in UZR/150), but not wise since he's not hitting 25 HR in that park unless be rebounds uber-well.

Halladay would command probably Martinez, Maine, and one or 2 other top-10 Mets prospects, as their system is very shallow, so you gain 1 SP an lose a young OF and a young SP--fair for an ace.

The Mets don't need Roy, though. They have an ace. They should instead try for one or 2 second-level SPs or a solid reliever and a veteran SP or a decent bat and a mid-level SP.

If they DO have $30 million, it could be Wolf, Dye (again, AWFUL on D, so I'd hope not)--maybe Byrd with a decent glove and bat in RF for the same $7-8 million--Molina, and a solid reliever or cheap SP. That'd be right on the $30 million level.

As far as Branyan, he just had maybe the best year of his career. I think he's in the $3-5 million range, not $2.5 million. He doesn't want to platoon, either, and he is expected by most to return to SEA.

So, for $30 million, you suggest:

An ace that you have already, a horrid glove in the OF, various trash veterans as insurance to an obvious failure, and a catcher (Branyan is a no-go).

For the same money, I suggested:

A solid veteran #2 SP with playoff experience and success, a C, a solid defensive OF with a decent bat, and either a second cheap SP or good set-up man with the last $5 million or so.

Or they could get maybe Delgado, Glaus (if healthy and capable at 1B), Blalock, Nick Johnson, or Aubrey Huff (though he was pretty much straight garbage after going to DET).

You overdid a rotation spot, underdid an OF spot, and got a good vet starter or RP and C.

I offered a postseason-proven veteran SP, a solid OF, a consistently solid C, and either another vet SP, set-up man, or 1B.

You properly filled 2 spots. I properly filled 4 with the same money you projected.

Huh?

openid: No, you made 3 different ones. You made your initial comment with Doumit in a trade, plus the 2 in the other one. That's 2 posts with 3 lineups, not 1 with 2 lineups.

One: Tatis is a member of MLB, therefore it relates to this site, therefore it is NOT silly. Second, his comment was completely unnecessary and has nothing to do with baseball. He did not make a joke, he made a generalization based off of stereotypes much like if I had said "because the Wilpons are jewish they will not spend on big FAs." (I myself am jewish by the way) I am on this website to discuss baseball, if you want to discuss something else THEN FIND A DIFFERENT SITE TO DO IT ON.

How is Tatis at defensivly 3rd? Also do you think he can hit .275 in 400+ at bats? I would think that might be a good fit for the Twins..