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According to Dylan Hernandez of The LA Times, the Dodgers have declined Jon Garland's mutual $10MM option for 2010. The Diamondbacks will pay Garland his $2.5MM buyout, as per the terms of August's trade for Tony Abreu.
Garland made 32+ starts for the eighth straight year, putting up a 4.01 ERA, his lowest since 2005. FanGraphs valued his 2009 performance at $10.6MM, but it's hard to see Garland getting eight figures annually on the open market.
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Interesting... any idea what teams might be in the mix for him?
I wouldn't exactly call him great... but he does eat innings and is sometimes effective.
Posted by: Agent | November 05, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I'm pretty sure the D-Backs already payed Dodgers to buy him out. That was part of the trade, all of Garland's salary and the 2.5M buyout was to come from the D-Backs.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 05, 2009 at 11:26 AM
This seals it. Tony Abreu bound to be an all-star.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | November 05, 2009 at 11:31 AM
in retrospect I'd rather have Abreu back, but what can you do?
Abreu will be a stud, but I'm also glad the Dodgers aren't settling for Garland.
we've got great 2, 3, 4 guys with Kershaw, Kuroda, and Bills, and the number 1 spot needs to be taken care of. hopefully 2 top-tier guys get added and we can have Bills as our long-relief guy.
Posted by: ThinkBlue | November 05, 2009 at 11:42 AM
This doesn't necessarily mean that Garland can't go back to the Dodgers. It makes GREAT sense for them to decline the option. Arizona pays him $2.5m and the Dodgers then might get him for $7 - $8m. There seems to be a general lack of pitching out there so maybe I'm wrong but we'll just have to see.
Posted by: Angelsfansince79 | November 05, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Bills as long relief? Talk about wasting value.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 05, 2009 at 11:45 AM
I would very much like to see him in the Nationals' rotation next year. Don't think the Nats would pay eight figures for him, but high seven is not out of the question, and for two or maybe three years.
Posted by: Steven J Berke | November 05, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Garland had a total of 23 QS in 2009 not to shabby .I could see him landing back in the NL West.He could get a 3 yr 18 mil deal .
Posted by: ToBe | November 05, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I really doubt he gets 3yrs guaranteed. Maybe 2, but my guess is a one year deal. I dunno what the terms of the trade were, but if Arizona's $2.5MM of the buyout could've been saved for keeping Garland at a net of $7.5MM I think that would've been the right move for LA
Posted by: Pat Metzger | November 05, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I'm surprised. His extension price might be a bit high, but given the lack of free agent pitching out there, keeping him in the rotation would have given the Dodgers one less problem to solve this offseason. Maybe it has something to do with Torre -- the way Garland was (not) used in the postseason suggests that Joe doesn't like him for some reason.
Posted by: BlueSky | November 05, 2009 at 11:53 AM
This is exactly the type of guy the Nationals need to get. A legitimate veteran starter with little to no injury history and not a problem in the clubhouse. A good guy for younger guys like Lannan, Stammen, and Strasburg to learn from.
I think the Nats might have to pay a crappy team tax and break the $10M mark to get him, but it may be worth it.
Posted by: SpashCity | November 05, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I was actually thinking he would be a fit for the Nationals as well. he is good for 190ish innings 4-5 era and wont tax your pen on most nights.
Posted by: thedeuce | November 05, 2009 at 12:04 PM
That reminds me...when is Kuroda expected to recover from the whiplash he suffered in the LCS?
I still couldn't believe Garland wasn't on that roster.
Posted by: Timotheus | November 05, 2009 at 12:05 PM
"Abreu will be a stud,"
Based on what? Yes, he has good contact skills, but that's about it. Little power, doesn't draw enough walks, not a base stealer, and he can't stay healthy.
Posted by: vtadave | November 05, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Watch the Cardinals sign him for $4-$5 mil and let Duncan take a shot at him. He'll win 19 games with a 2.26 ERA.
Posted by: jneely77 | November 05, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Maybe he can go to Cleveland for a year, then go back to LA and win a Cy Young and/or World Series.
Posted by: Slovak7 | November 05, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Garland should probably get something similar to this year's deal but multi-year. No more than 2 + Option though.
jneely77 - The issue is that Garland already is pretty much a Dave Duncan kind of pitcher. Perhaps Duncan could convince him to actually throw his 4-seem fastball more often, because he might get a K or 2 with it. Garland actually can throw with reasonable velocity when he wants, and inserting a few high heaters to blow a guy away once in a while wouldn't be a bad idea.
vtadave - Abreu flashed a lot more power last year, and it can't all be attributed to playing in ABQ, because he didn't do the same thing in Vegas. Also, the whole "he can't stay healthy" thing really doesn't hold water. He was misdiagnosed by the Dodgers with that torn hip labrum and has otherwise had a healthy career. He is a fantastic defensive player as well.
Posted by: AA | November 05, 2009 at 12:36 PM
54 games in Albuquerque isn't enough for me to say that Abreu is going to be a stud as was mentioned previously. Yes, the improvement was there this year, but the Dodgers have other options in the forms of DeWitt and DeJesus. Hudson won't be back, but obviously the club wasn't convinced that Abreu was ready to be a starting infielder on a pennant-contending team. He's not garbage by any means, but his time in the organization was done.
Posted by: vtadave | November 05, 2009 at 12:45 PM
I hope the Mets try and sign him..hes a descent pitcher who will throw 180+ innings
Posted by: PhukdaPhils | November 05, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Perfect guy for Doug Melvin to try to sign with the (presumed)declined option money on Looper. Not a huge leap from Braden, but a leap nonetheless. Two years, and an option on a third.
-Gallardo
-Garland
-Bush
-Semi-experienced, young power arm acquired via trade
-Parra
Posted by: AaronPop | November 05, 2009 at 12:58 PM
"hes a descent pitcher"
Does that mean he's on his way down, or he throws sinker-balls?
Posted by: BlueSky | November 05, 2009 at 01:04 PM
Garland is a perfect fit for any team with a young pitching staff that needs an inning eater that can give you decent innings. I wouldnt mind the M's picking him up, but the Pirates, Nationals, Brewers, any team like that should definatly kick the tires.
Posted by: M's fan 16 | November 05, 2009 at 01:04 PM
I agree with AaronPop. The Brewers need to get in on this. I also think they should try to pick up Harden if nothing comes through on trade.
Posted by: Phillip_Cannon | November 05, 2009 at 01:08 PM
Don't think the Dbacks would pay all that money if they did not think Abreu was be something special.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 05, 2009 at 01:21 PM
"but the Pirates, Nationals, Brewers, any team like that should definatly kick the tires.
Posted by: M's fan 16 | November 05, 2009 at 01:04 PM"
You're not lumping the Brewers in with the likes of the Pirates and Nats, are you? The Brewers actually have a bonafide number one in Gallardo (More than one season of solid stuff), and a run producing lineup. They just need marginally better starting rotation options to compete next year in the NL Central, whereas the the other two teams you mentioned are in constant flux.
"I agree with AaronPop. The Brewers need to get in on this. I also think they should try to pick up Harden if nothing comes through on trade.
Posted by: Phillip_Cannon | November 05, 2009 at 01:08 PM"
A healthy Harden would be welcomed with open arms by me, but I think money would be the issue there. Now, if they had Suppan's contract off the books... *sigh*
Posted by: AaronPop | November 05, 2009 at 01:39 PM
Interesting. Personally i think the Dodgers have 3 number 2 starters in Kuroda, Bills, and Kershaw. I mean yea they could use an Ace but one of those 3 is bound to have an amazing year next season.
About Garland. I think he lost his job once Padilla did well in the post season. They both will give around 4-4.5 ERA so the Dodgers are going with the person who will prob be cheaper and has already proven himself in the post season.
Posted by: drumzalicious | November 05, 2009 at 01:40 PM
"Abreu will be a stud,"
Based on what? Yes, he has good contact skills, but that's about it. Little power, doesn't draw enough walks, not a base stealer, and he can't stay healthy.
Posted by: vtadave | November 05, 2009 at 12:11 PM
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based on a life of being a dodgers fan and watching guys get released and traded only to go on to have great careers.
Posted by: ThinkBlue | November 05, 2009 at 01:48 PM
I see Garland going to a competitive team so I think he will go to either the Brewers or the Mets in the NL and then the Rangers or Tigers in the AL. It will most likely come down to the Tigers and Mets in seeing how much money these teams will throw towards Garland's way. Oh and congrats to the Yankees.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Whalersfan | November 05, 2009 at 02:29 PM
No, I'm not, what I'm trying to say is any team that could use an innings eater or any team with a younger rotation that doesnt want to blow out those younger arms should take a look at Garland.
Posted by: M's fan 16 | November 05, 2009 at 02:50 PM
So for the Nats and Pirates he works because it allows them to give their younger pithcers innings to develop but doesnt force them to overuse and wear down their arms. He works for the Brewers because he will eat innings and still give them decent production.
Posted by: M's fan 16 | November 05, 2009 at 02:54 PM
True true thinkblu - I'm with you in that respect. We saw two of them in the Phillies outfield this year.
I'm not too worried about Abreu becoming a "stud". More worried about Carlos Santana becoming a better player than Russell Martin by late 2010.
Posted by: vtadave | November 05, 2009 at 03:13 PM
in retrospect I'd rather have Abreu back, but what can you do?
Abreu will be a stud, but I'm also glad the Dodgers aren't settling for Garland.
we've got great 2, 3, 4 guys with Kershaw, Kuroda, and Bills, and the number 1 spot needs to be taken care of. hopefully 2 top-tier guys get added and we can have Bills as our long-relief guy."
Oh God...
Yes, Id rather have Abreu than Garland for a few starts. However, he will not be a stud. He had a good year in the minors... one good year. When this trade was announced and Abreu was named the PTBNL, it was thought that Abreu will be someone who is nothing more than a utility type guy:
http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2009/10/tony-abreu-dealt-to-complete-deal-for.html
And Billz, long relief?
http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2009/09/value-over-contract.html
He was our #4 WAR player, and would be #3 if Blake didnt have a career year. He is VERY far from 'long relief'. What, do you have long term memory loss?
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | November 05, 2009 at 04:17 PM
As I've stated before, I'm not losing any sleep over losing Abreu. He's a Lenny Harris-type player. We already have DeWitt and DeJesus to play 2B.
I'd like to see the Dodgers go for John Lackey, but I think they'll end up pursuing several back of the rotation guys, meaning Garland could still be resigned. (though I doubt it)
I'd love to see them resign Wolf and Padilla, then sign Berdard. That'd give us three pitchers with "ace" stuff in Kershaw, Billingsly, and Berdard. We're bound to catch lightning in a bottle with one of them, right? Padilla can be a long reliever until someone inevitably gets hurt.
Trade for Dan Uggla, re-stock the bench and the Dodgers are set.
Posted by: pavilionbum | November 05, 2009 at 05:14 PM
Why am I not an Dan Uggla fan? Is the huge number of strikeouts? The barely over .250 career average? The sub-par defense? So hard to decide. Uggla is a younger version of Jeff Kent, only not nearly as good.
Posted by: BlueSky | November 05, 2009 at 07:25 PM
There are going to a lot of solid number 3-5 pitchers in the FA this year.. this will be interesting.
Lackey is going to want 20 a year, and will probably get it on the east coast. The dodgers are too hand tied with their money as it is to bring in any new big name players.
Posted by: jolivarez | November 06, 2009 at 02:22 AM