Heyman On Damon, Lackey, Crede

Boras mouthpiece Heyman says that the Giants are interested on Damon.Who here trusts Heyman? Not me.

So is Pierre going back to the Mets? If not that money can be used on something the teams needs, oh like pitching.

Damon's comments to the press make it seem pretty likely that he will work something out to stay with the Yankees.

The Mets have absolutely no need for Juan Pierre. I anticipate a Billy-Wagner-to-the-Sox-type deal here. A couple of low-level minor-leaguers and salary relief for Castillo.

Posted by: mookie and doc | November 12, 2009 at 01:31 PM"

Whos picking up the tab? I mean the Mets would be foolish to trade him.

I think if the Mets can shed the 12M Castillo is due to make over the next two years, that's enough to get a deal done. That contract has been an albatross the last two years.

If the Mets actually do trade Castillo to the Dodgers or Cubs or whomever, I'd expect them to offer a nearly identical contract to Orlando Hudson: 2-3 years, $6-7 MM a year.

A power bat is the #1 priority for the Giants. Period. Johnny Damon to SF is preposterous. The real question for the Giants is where are you gonna find that power bat?

Why are there always insanely stupid trade offers in these threads!? Show some dang sense, kids, learn what your players are worth.

Now this whole Giants/Damon situation actually isn't surprising because Sabean hasn't made one of his classic circus funhouse wacky GM moves yet this year.

Damon to the Giants makes more sense than it seems on the surface because they need more than one bat. If they signed Damon to lead-off, then made the trade for Uggla rumored yesterday, the line-up would be much improved.

Something like:

Damon
Sanchez
Sandoval
Uggla
Bowker
Rowand
Posey
Renteria

Or if they resign Uribe too and play him over Rent:

Damon
Sanchez
Sandoval
Uggla
Uribe
Bowker
Rowand
Posey

"If teams really are interested in Castillo the I would suspect that the three-way trade with the Cubs and Toronto with Bradley/Overbay is off the table."

Per the article on the report
“The Cubs spoke to the Mets about Bradley-for-Castillo, while the Mets spoke to the Jays about Bradley-for-Overbay, sources say.”

But it doesnt seem that it was ever on the table. Toronto claims they were never really involved in talks and that they have no interest in Bradley. And the fact that the Mets were trying to flip Bradley instead of keep him themselves shows that they are the team holding up a straight Bradley-Castillo move.

No way Hendry could turn a straight Castillo/Bradley swap. It saves about 10 Million and means we don’t need to keep 4 out-of-option Utility Infielders (Miles, Baker, Fontenot and Blanco) to get a seasons worth of 2B playingtime. All other options Hendry is rumored to have for Bradley has him eating as much, if not more, of the contract and taking on a similar valued player at best. (to much worse if a Bradley/Silva swap is really a possibility – I cringe)

Castillo, as unspectacular as he is, provides the best known ability to save money, get value and fit into the roster. Someone like Burrell would actually pose quite a bit of a problem. We would need to carry so many OF to make up for the defensive (can he even play RF?) while simultaneously keeping so many UI to make up for the lack of a real 2B.

I like the sound of lackey as a brewer.. If they sign him i would then look at sheets. Sheets has potential to be an allstar but also is an injury concern. Plus he wont get more than a one year deal comming off surgery. And why sign a 2nd a second pitcher to long term in this years free agent class. next year is filled with pitching studs. Lackey. Sheets. Gallardo. Bush. Parra. could be deadly

i swear to god if omar trade castillo for piere and goes and signs o-dog and says we have our starting 2b and lf'er im gonna hurt him.

lmao@: johan is GOD ... that makes 2 of us

not in the summer, dodgerblue... Bay Area summer nights are normally around 60 degrees, though it warms up in September. Damon thought it affected his hitting.

I agree JT... but there isnt exactly young, high obp availible to sign. I will Neal and/or Kieschick were anywhere near close or Bowker could learn to hit more consistently because we wouldnt have these problems.

Sabs should kick the tires on the rumors that Jockety maybe looking to throw in Votto in a package with Harrang/Arroyo for a deal that wows them... say something surrounding bumgarner and noonan/gillespie. Heck i dont care what they throw at them to get a guy like Votto. Yeha you lose Bumgarner but we are loaded with arms. Too bad Sabs wasted Barnes and Alderson because they would have been nice trading chips this offseason.

If Omar is able to move Castillo, is there any way we could see Dan Uggla with the NYM?

Reds- trade Votto and Brandon Phillips for starting pitching,

Marlins- trade Uggla to the Giants for Bumgarner

Cubs- trade Derek Lee to the Marlins for Dan Uggla and put Jake Fox at 1B

Mets- trade Luis Castillo and cash to the Cubs for Sean Marshall then sign Orlando Cabrera or Orlando Hudson at 2B

Indians- trade Travis Hafner and cash to the Rangers for starting pitching and sign Jim Thome for old times sake

White Sox- sign Podsednik as lead off LF, move CQ to RF, put Rios in CF and sign either Aubrey Huff or Vlad Guerrero to DH

You are all crazy with these stupid trade ideas. These are some of the most absurd ideas ever. Giants are dreaming that you will get Uggla for less than a Matt Cain, and Uggla is definitely no Derek Lee.

Damon as a leadoff hitter?

Yeah. Good luck with that.

Luis castillo and fernando martinez for andre either ?"

Why would the Dodgers trade for a 2B whos going to get 12M for the next two years and isnt very productive and a prospect, all be it a good one, for someone who has hit 300 or hit 30 HRs or has driven in 100RBIs in a season? While I dont follow the Mets, it seems that if Fmart reaches a lot of his potential, he can become similar to Ethier. Am I wrong? Why trade for a 2B who wont really help and a prospect that can be as good as the person that they are being traded for in the first place?

Matt Cain for Dan Uggla.

Andre Ethier for Castillo and a prospect.

Some solid trades floating around here today...

every year the Giants sign the one guy I hope they don't

last year when we were interested in a SS I was hoping for Furcal or Cabrera and hoped to god we don't get Renteria and we end up signing him

two years ago when we were going to get a CF I was hoping for Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones (which would have been bad) and the one guy I did not want was Rowand and we end up getting him

this year I'm hoping we stay away from Damon and sign someone like Mike Cameron or Xavier Nady
hopefully the same thing doesn't happen for the third year in a row

Cain wouldnt be the best pitcher on the Marlins. He'd be 2nd to JJ, by a fair margin

"Cain wouldnt be the best pitcher on the Marlins. He'd be 2nd to JJ, by a fair margin"

Really? JJ is very good, but I'd like to see more than 1 half of a good season before I say he's better than just turned 25 year old, 5-year veteran Matt Cain. Johnson didn't exactly light it up in the second half this past season.

If anything, Johnson would be slightly better than Cain.

Typical Dodger hyperbole. I'm guessing you think Bills is better than Cain too right?

"The Cain for Uggla is pretty funny... and kind of sad because someone is either over rating uggla or under rating Cain."

Actually, the funniest part is that he was sickened by "Uggla to the Giants for Bumgarner", calling it one "of the most absurd ideas ever".

Now, granted, Uggla for Bumgarner IS an absurd ideas. Its akin to offering a 50 dollar bill for a 20. But Bumgarner would be the 50 in that scenario, while Uggla is the 20.

So he then proceeds to say that the 50 (Bumgarner) is absurd, and it would really take a 100 (Matt Cain) to get the 20 (Uggla).

It really boggles the mind, doesnt it?

I think Jocketty made it pretty clear he wouldnt trade Votto but maybe Bumgarner could get it done with other prospects like Lincecum said but its unlikely Votto gets traded anywhere IMO as much as I want him in SF

Josh Johnson is a better pitcher than Cain..

Lakersdodgersyankees4life

- the mets are trying to get rid of luis castillos contract
They need a left fielder(andre is an. Outfielder)

Dodgers need a second baseman
The mets need to give something close to value
Fernando(20 yrsold) may need a year atAAA to fully develop

Is luis castillo and fernando martinez for andre either a fair trade?

JT, I didnt say that him not pitching as well in the last two months was the ONLY reason they fell out of contention. What Im saying is because the Giants offense is so bad, Cain's decline did not help.

Im not saying Cain isnt a good pitcher, but JJ is a better pitcher, IMO.

BOTE, I dont think so. And its not just based on talent. The Dodgers do need a 2B, and the Mets need a power OF. But whats the point of trading a guy who can hit 300/30/100 for an overpaid 2b and a 20 year old prospect that may be as good as the guy you just traded for him? The Dodgers are built for now and later. Many of our guys are people who should/have been allstars, and are under 27.

And Ethier wouldnt come cheap, espically after this year. He won the silver slugger and the clutch player of the year award. It doesnt make sense to trade that kind of production for a 2B and a prospect...

All I have to say is the Giants need more than one substantial offensive upgrade to have a balanced team

I feel bad for Sabean .. over the past years his free agency acquisitions have just failed .. Moises Alou produced offensively when he wasn't hurt, Barry Zito just fell off the map, Aaron seemed perfect fit and his offense has suffered, Edgardo Alfonso just sucked, Edgar Renteria has been a bust as well

Bengie Molina and Juan Uribe seem to have been the only great signings

We need to keep Uribe, Penny, and in my opinion Randy Winn that is if he signed like a 1 year $400,000 deal

I just don't know anymore lol

I have a hard time trusting free agents these days

Bout a trade with the Reds

Castillo + Prospect 4 Harang?

Thoughts..

I was thinking the Giants need to spend some money(probably money they dont have) but we wanna win right?

so I think we need 1 infielder and 1 outfield

say we get rich and use names like, Laroche and Bay

1.Rowand-CF
2.Sanchez-2nd
3.Sandoval-C
4.Bay-LF
5.LaRoche-1st
6.Uribe-3rd
7.Shcierholtz-RF
8.Renteria-SS

Rowand leading off - I like that idea since he kicked ass as a lead off hitter for a while last year

Sandoval catching - I dont like the idea of him catching since hes such a big part of the offense that I wouldnt want to risk injury, but maybe while the year progress they can work out a trade to fill the void and put Pablo back at 3rd

Juan Uribe I say give him a 2 year 8 million deal have him play 3rd and platoon then when Renteria is gone he becomes the starting SS

Bay and Laroche - plain offensive upgrades .. I would actually prefer Holliday over Bay because he hits for a higher average but I wouldnt complain if Bay came to the bay lol .. and Adam Laroche maybe just a stint of 2 years but I think he would have a steady bat

I dont think Buster is ready to start professionally .. hes a great talent .. dont rush him

and with that lineup and this rotation

Lincecum
Cain
Penny
Zito
Sanchez/Bumgarner

I think the Giants can contend with the best

Lincecum reallyis the best so if the giants have better offense

Lincecum and cain really could carry

HAHAHA good one

dude do you giants fans really believe you can contend with the dodgers given free agents? i would be willing to let you guys have holliday and bay and you guys still wouldnt be able to contend with the dodgers

Suzysman, I see the stats, but you really think they will sign BOTH Bay and Holliday? Are you crazy? they have ~10M after arb raises...

bleedblue, Id love to have Figgins at 2B. But if that means a 5 year commitment or restricting young guys from being signed to big deals, Id have to pass. There are so many 2B on the trade market(it seems, at least) that spending 50M probably wouldnt be smart, even for a guy like Figgins...